ND Constitutional measure

[Lycanthrope]

This thinking is exactly how and why we are in such a mess. Comparing free school lunches with waste speaks volumes. Then standing on that hill proudly.........you can't make this up.

when my kids were in elementary school I used to go eat with them a few times a month, I bet at least half of the food served goes directly into the garbage. It always amazed me how much food those kids throw away... often full trays that were entirely untouched would be dumped in the garbage.

 

[tdismydog]

This thinking is exactly how and why we are in such a mess. Comparing free school lunches with waste speaks volumes. Then standing on that hill proudly.........you can't make this up.

Yep and I will continue stand by it too.

 

[Colt45]

I guess we will have to agree to disagree, with all other waste out there free school lunches for school age children is a weird hill to die on.

Again, I don't even know how to respond to this. So the waste, fraud, and all the other baggage that will come with this is free lunch fiasco is acceptable because the waste, fraud, and other tax payer rip offs from public education or other areas of local and state govenment are even worse? That is a very weird hill to die on indeed.

The problem is all the other hills we the people attempted to defend we died on when it comes to public education and government waste and fraud, or tax cuts, so we have taken the approach to defend every hill we can.

The "free" stuff never ends, and neither does the tax increases to keep pumping money into it, but let me guess, its for the kids so it must be good. It a rip off, we should not fund free anything for people who can afford a breakfast and lunch. Again, please make a valid argument why we should give free breakfast and lunch to families that can afford to pay for it. MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!

If we don't eliminate property taxes the next time that comes up for a vote then I guess we have been conquered as a people and are just a bunch of socialists. I cant wait until I finally can get me some "free" stuff!

How about we reallocate the existing funds the schools have and use it for "free" breakfast and lunch?
The 9 million dollar expansion of the Lincoln school east of Bismarck was paid for with "leftover" covid funds, must be plenty of slush fund money for free food for everyone?

 

[tdismydog]

Again, I don't even know how to respond to this. So the waste, fraud, and all the other baggage that will come with this is free lunch fiasco is acceptable because the waste, fraud, and other tax payer rip offs from public education or other areas of local and state govenment are even worse? That is a very weird hill to die on indeed.

The problem is all the other hills we the people attempted to defend we died on when it comes to public education and government waste and fraud, or tax cuts, so we have taken the approach to defend every hill we can.

The "free" stuff never ends, and neither does the tax increases to keep pumping money into it, but let me guess, its for the kids so it must be good. It a rip off, we should not fund free anything for people who can afford a breakfast and lunch. Again, please make a valid argument why we should give free breakfast and lunch to families that can afford to pay for it. MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!

If we don't eliminate property taxes the next time that comes up for a vote then I guess we have been conquered as a people and are just a bunch of socialists. I cant wait until I finally can get me some "free" stuff!

How about we reallocate the existing funds the schools have and use it for "free" breakfast and lunch?
The 9 million dollar expansion of the Lincoln school east of Bismarck was paid for with "leftover" covid funds, must be plenty of slush fund money for free food for everyone?

That is great that Lincoln in Bismarck is able to expand but most schools across North Dakota, especially the smalls schools are facing budget deficits.

Ok here it goes. These are my reasons and you can think good or bad of them. It is how I came to the conclusion I have.

#1 There is a stigma attached to being the poor kid or the free school lunch kid. If you have ever worked in a school as much as I like to educate my kids, they can be downright cruel to the kid that is different than they are. Kids know and unless you are around kids that arent your own a lot it is hard to understand.

#2 You would think because the program is out there everyone would apply and it would be easy. They don't and many families that do not meet threshold do not pay. School then have to attempt to collect a debt and to be honest many of those debts are not collectable. So now that money is not recouped and the only one hurt is the kid. Free school lunch takes care of this and these is a good possibility it would be cheaper.

#3 This one I do not think you will like but I do. Taxpayers provide for books, building upkeep, extra curriculars etc....I think lunch should be included in that.

#4 I think it is the right thing to do. I get the whats mine is mine argument, I really do, and in some aspects of my life I think that way.When it comes to the kids I can not and will not think that. I can speak for most if not all of my colleagues and they are the same. Standing up for people that can't stand up for themselves. Heck I wish more kids would be allowed to get their higher education for free...I think we would be smarter as a society and have less dependence on government programs. Education= more lifetime earnings.
Now I will really get ripped!

 

[Ruttin]

That is great that Lincoln in Bismarck is able to expand but most schools across North Dakota, especially the smalls schools are facing budget deficits.

Ok here it goes. These are my reasons and you can think good or bad of them. It is how I came to the conclusion I have.

#1 There is a stigma attached to being the poor kid or the free school lunch kid. If you have ever worked in a school as much as I like to educate my kids, they can be downright cruel to the kid that is different than they are. Kids know and unless you are around kids that arent your own a lot it is hard to understand.

#2 You would think because the program is out there everyone would apply and it would be easy. They don't and many families that do not meet threshold do not pay. School then have to attempt to collect a debt and to be honest many of those debts are not collectable. So now that money is not recouped and the only one hurt is the kid. Free school lunch takes care of this and these is a good possibility it would be cheaper.

#3 This one I do not think you will like but I do. Taxpayers provide for books, building upkeep, extra curriculars etc....I think lunch should be included in that.

#4 I think it is the right thing to do. I get the whats mine is mine argument, I really do, and in some aspects of my life I think that way.When it comes to the kids I can not and will not think that. I can speak for most if not all of my colleagues and they are the same. Standing up for people that can't stand up for themselves. Heck I wish more kids would be allowed to get their higher education for free...I think we would be smarter as a society and have less dependence on government programs. Education= more lifetime earnings.
Now I will really get ripped!

I think you're wrong. Carry on!