ND Constitutional measure

North Dakota voters will decide Constitutional Measure No. 1 in the June 9, 2026 primary election. T

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Lycanthrope

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This thinking is exactly how and why we are in such a mess. Comparing free school lunches with waste speaks volumes. Then standing on that hill proudly.........you can't make this up.
when my kids were in elementary school I used to go eat with them a few times a month, I bet at least half of the food served goes directly into the garbage. It always amazed me how much food those kids throw away... often full trays that were entirely untouched would be dumped in the garbage.
 


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I guess we will have to agree to disagree, with all other waste out there free school lunches for school age children is a weird hill to die on.
Again, I don't even know how to respond to this. So the waste, fraud, and all the other baggage that will come with this is free lunch fiasco is acceptable because the waste, fraud, and other tax payer rip offs from public education or other areas of local and state govenment are even worse? That is a very weird hill to die on indeed.

The problem is all the other hills we the people attempted to defend we died on when it comes to public education and government waste and fraud, or tax cuts, so we have taken the approach to defend every hill we can.

The "free" stuff never ends, and neither does the tax increases to keep pumping money into it, but let me guess, its for the kids so it must be good. It a rip off, we should not fund free anything for people who can afford a breakfast and lunch. Again, please make a valid argument why we should give free breakfast and lunch to families that can afford to pay for it. MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!

If we don't eliminate property taxes the next time that comes up for a vote then I guess we have been conquered as a people and are just a bunch of socialists. I cant wait until I finally can get me some "free" stuff!

How about we reallocate the existing funds the schools have and use it for "free" breakfast and lunch?
The 9 million dollar expansion of the Lincoln school east of Bismarck was paid for with "leftover" covid funds, must be plenty of slush fund money for free food for everyone?
 

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Again, I don't even know how to respond to this. So the waste, fraud, and all the other baggage that will come with this is free lunch fiasco is acceptable because the waste, fraud, and other tax payer rip offs from public education or other areas of local and state govenment are even worse? That is a very weird hill to die on indeed.

The problem is all the other hills we the people attempted to defend we died on when it comes to public education and government waste and fraud, or tax cuts, so we have taken the approach to defend every hill we can.

The "free" stuff never ends, and neither does the tax increases to keep pumping money into it, but let me guess, its for the kids so it must be good. It a rip off, we should not fund free anything for people who can afford a breakfast and lunch. Again, please make a valid argument why we should give free breakfast and lunch to families that can afford to pay for it. MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!

If we don't eliminate property taxes the next time that comes up for a vote then I guess we have been conquered as a people and are just a bunch of socialists. I cant wait until I finally can get me some "free" stuff!

How about we reallocate the existing funds the schools have and use it for "free" breakfast and lunch?
The 9 million dollar expansion of the Lincoln school east of Bismarck was paid for with "leftover" covid funds, must be plenty of slush fund money for free food for everyone?
That is great that Lincoln in Bismarck is able to expand but most schools across North Dakota, especially the smalls schools are facing budget deficits.

Ok here it goes. These are my reasons and you can think good or bad of them. It is how I came to the conclusion I have.

#1 There is a stigma attached to being the poor kid or the free school lunch kid. If you have ever worked in a school as much as I like to educate my kids, they can be downright cruel to the kid that is different than they are. Kids know and unless you are around kids that arent your own a lot it is hard to understand.

#2 You would think because the program is out there everyone would apply and it would be easy. They don't and many families that do not meet threshold do not pay. School then have to attempt to collect a debt and to be honest many of those debts are not collectable. So now that money is not recouped and the only one hurt is the kid. Free school lunch takes care of this and these is a good possibility it would be cheaper.

#3 This one I do not think you will like but I do. Taxpayers provide for books, building upkeep, extra curriculars etc....I think lunch should be included in that.

#4 I think it is the right thing to do. I get the whats mine is mine argument, I really do, and in some aspects of my life I think that way.When it comes to the kids I can not and will not think that. I can speak for most if not all of my colleagues and they are the same. Standing up for people that can't stand up for themselves. Heck I wish more kids would be allowed to get their higher education for free...I think we would be smarter as a society and have less dependence on government programs. Education= more lifetime earnings.
Now I will really get ripped! :ROFLMAO:
 

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That is great that Lincoln in Bismarck is able to expand but most schools across North Dakota, especially the smalls schools are facing budget deficits.

Ok here it goes. These are my reasons and you can think good or bad of them. It is how I came to the conclusion I have.

#1 There is a stigma attached to being the poor kid or the free school lunch kid. If you have ever worked in a school as much as I like to educate my kids, they can be downright cruel to the kid that is different than they are. Kids know and unless you are around kids that arent your own a lot it is hard to understand.

#2 You would think because the program is out there everyone would apply and it would be easy. They don't and many families that do not meet threshold do not pay. School then have to attempt to collect a debt and to be honest many of those debts are not collectable. So now that money is not recouped and the only one hurt is the kid. Free school lunch takes care of this and these is a good possibility it would be cheaper.

#3 This one I do not think you will like but I do. Taxpayers provide for books, building upkeep, extra curriculars etc....I think lunch should be included in that.

#4 I think it is the right thing to do. I get the whats mine is mine argument, I really do, and in some aspects of my life I think that way.When it comes to the kids I can not and will not think that. I can speak for most if not all of my colleagues and they are the same. Standing up for people that can't stand up for themselves. Heck I wish more kids would be allowed to get their higher education for free...I think we would be smarter as a society and have less dependence on government programs. Education= more lifetime earnings.
Now I will really get ripped! :ROFLMAO:
I think you're wrong. Carry on!
 


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#1 I'm not sure how on earth kids would know who gets reduced meals ? If that's true the schools are exposing them some how ?
As far as rich kids picking on or looking down on poor kids , I hate that with a passion but that mentality is created by the clothes they wear , the house they live in and the cars thier parents drive . All your plan does is feed kids who need discipline in thier lives. feeding them won't eliminate the problem.
 

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#1 I'm not sure how on earth kids would know who gets reduced meals ? If that's true the schools are exposing them some how ?
As far as rich kids picking on or looking down on poor kids , I hate that with a passion but that mentality is created by the clothes they wear , the house they live in and the cars thier parents drive . All your plan does is feed kids who need discipline in thier lives. feeding them won't eliminate the problem.
You would be surprised what kids know. I don't think it is any fault of the school.
 

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That is great that Lincoln in Bismarck is able to expand but most schools across North Dakota, especially the smalls schools are facing budget deficits.

Ok here it goes. These are my reasons and you can think good or bad of them. It is how I came to the conclusion I have.

#1 There is a stigma attached to being the poor kid or the free school lunch kid. If you have ever worked in a school as much as I like to educate my kids, they can be downright cruel to the kid that is different than they are. Kids know and unless you are around kids that arent your own a lot it is hard to understand.

#2 You would think because the program is out there everyone would apply and it would be easy. They don't and many families that do not meet threshold do not pay. School then have to attempt to collect a debt and to be honest many of those debts are not collectable. So now that money is not recouped and the only one hurt is the kid. Free school lunch takes care of this and these is a good possibility it would be cheaper.

#3 This one I do not think you will like but I do. Taxpayers provide for books, building upkeep, extra curriculars etc....I think lunch should be included in that.

#4 I think it is the right thing to do. I get the whats mine is mine argument, I really do, and in some aspects of my life I think that way.When it comes to the kids I can not and will not think that. I can speak for most if not all of my colleagues and they are the same. Standing up for people that can't stand up for themselves. Heck I wish more kids would be allowed to get their higher education for free...I think we would be smarter as a society and have less dependence on government programs. Education= more lifetime earnings.
Now I will really get ripped! :ROFLMAO:
Agree, I was one of those kids with breakfast/lunch tickets…many years ago
 

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Agree, I was one of those kids with breakfast/lunch tickets…many years ago
Yep, me too. but I still don't get it. Not sure what we paid per month for lunch but it was a reduced rate. I am happy there was a program as such because I'm sure my parents were stressed but we got along just fine. The system worked just fine back then , as it does today, nobody went hungry. If the system changes to include every student regardless of income the money has to come from somewhere, AKA taxes. Taxing lower-middle income residents to pay for everyone's lunch just seems to defeat the purpose.
 
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#1 I'm not sure how on earth kids would know who gets reduced meals ? If that's true the schools are exposing them some how ?
As far as rich kids picking on or looking down on poor kids , I hate that with a passion but that mentality is created by the clothes they wear , the house they live in and the cars thier parents drive . All your plan does is feed kids who need discipline in thier lives. feeding them won't eliminate the problem.
Wasn’t it a few years ago Here in the Bismarck area when the kids meal account was empty or overdrawn They were given two piece of bread with a single piece of cheese on it and a milk for lunch?
 

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Wasn’t it a few years ago Here in the Bismarck area when the kids meal account was empty or overdrawn They were given two piece of bread with a single piece of cheese on it and a milk for lunch?
There should be a law against that .
 

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That is great that Lincoln in Bismarck is able to expand but most schools across North Dakota, especially the smalls schools are facing budget deficits.

Ok here it goes. These are my reasons and you can think good or bad of them. It is how I came to the conclusion I have.

#1 There is a stigma attached to being the poor kid or the free school lunch kid. If you have ever worked in a school as much as I like to educate my kids, they can be downright cruel to the kid that is different than they are. Kids know and unless you are around kids that arent your own a lot it is hard to understand.

#2 You would think because the program is out there everyone would apply and it would be easy. They don't and many families that do not meet threshold do not pay. School then have to attempt to collect a debt and to be honest many of those debts are not collectable. So now that money is not recouped and the only one hurt is the kid. Free school lunch takes care of this and these is a good possibility it would be cheaper.

#3 This one I do not think you will like but I do. Taxpayers provide for books, building upkeep, extra curriculars etc....I think lunch should be included in that.

#4 I think it is the right thing to do. I get the whats mine is mine argument, I really do, and in some aspects of my life I think that way.When it comes to the kids I can not and will not think that. I can speak for most if not all of my colleagues and they are the same. Standing up for people that can't stand up for themselves. Heck I wish more kids would be allowed to get their higher education for free...I think we would be smarter as a society and have less dependence on government programs. Education= more lifetime earnings.
Now I will really get ripped! :ROFLMAO:
Thanks for the feedback, I hope you understand that this free lunch is going to cost $140 million, that's a government estimate and I can pretty much guarantee it will be low.

You say Education= more lifetime earnings. I disagree, there are so many people in this world that mortgaged their future getting a worthless 4 year degree, and now you want to make that free as well.
Maybe check out some Charlie Kirk videos and his thoughts on higher education.

So I will end with saying I don't agree with you, and the march towards socialism will continue, this free lunch will pass, there is a reason its on the June ballot, very low voter turnout and the people who want to hand out the freebies will show up at the polls.
 

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Thanks for the feedback, I hope you understand that this free lunch is going to cost $140 million, that's a government estimate and I can pretty much guarantee it will be low.

You say Education= more lifetime earnings. I disagree, there are so many people in this world that mortgaged their future getting a worthless 4 year degree, and now you want to make that free as well.
Maybe check out some Charlie Kirk videos and his thoughts on higher education.

So I will end with saying I don't agree with you, and the march towards socialism will continue, this free lunch will pass, there is a reason its on the June ballot, very low voter turnout and the people who want to hand out the freebies will show up at the polls.
Education doesn’t have to be a 4 year degree. In fact I know a company man who worked his way from roughneck to driller to where he is now with zero education. No matter the path after school, be it straight to work, tech school, or higher, the more a student has mastered basic reading, writing, and mathematics, the better their life outcome and likely earnings will be.

Having a solid educational base is the biggest single factor in keeping kids out of poverty or getting them out of it. Generational poverty is a real thing. If I’m choosing when to spend, I’d rather do it early to give some of these kids the opportunity and skills to not be in assistance later.

Socialism now or later I guess.
 


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