ND Game & Fish

[gst]

I guess I'm confused by the tremendous number of deer a guy bumps out of CRP when late season pheasant hunting. If not good habitat in winter then nobody told the deer.

I've laid or sat down in beds that deer make in CRP and I'm always surprised how cozy it is. CRP makes great shelter from cold winds.

I am guessing western CRP vs eastern CRP might be different? We're talking 4-6 ft tall and lush grasses CRP in the east.

Guy, what is being talked about is winters that are hard enough to kill deer.

Land that is good enough to grow 6 foot high grasses probably should not be in CRP. Maybe there would be funds enough then for the lands that should be.

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Without the crops residue grown that deer survive the winter in there would be FAR less deer with the state covered in CRP.

Funny, with over 2000 acres of CRP around our place, the deer seemed to like to stay in our trees we have planted rather than the CRP in the winter.They must be different than eastern deer. .

 

[eyexer]

So then the question is who at the game and fish hates you so much to go out of their way to make sure you dont draw and the people you know do? Also if they are so corrupt and are purposely rigging the deer Lottery coming on a public website and bitching about it is really a genius move and will definitely help you out next year with the rigged drawing!:;:deadhorse

doesn't matter anymore, I buy a bow tag and give my buddies kid $100 to snag me one. I don't have the time to bow hunt. So at least I get sausage.

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I believe if they live out of state, they can get a tag, but it comes out of the non-resident lot, so it does not affect residents at all. Believe me I've had them send me stats for non-residents and it's ugly for the normal guy. Once gratis and outfitter tags are taken out first, there's very few units across the state that a non-resident can even have a 5% chance at drawing a tag, no matter the amount of preference points.

why the hell are outfitters getting tags over the general public. another thing that has to change. The list keeps growing

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Ok, so you buy land and get a gratis tag...aren't you legally supposed to only harvest a deer off your own land?

I'm not sure what the minimum acreage is, but it's not like some NR is buying a couple hundred acres of ag land with no discernible features just to get a gratis tag. There'd be no point if there were no deer. Sounds like a huge waste of money.

yes but that seldom happens. They take them anywhere in the zone.

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Prove it with a screen shot of your points

sorry they we're tossed or I would loved to do that.

 

[Fishmission]

doesn't matter anymore, I buy a bow tag and give my buddies kid $100 to snag me one. I don't have the time to bow hunt. So at least I get sausage.

Probably not a good idea to admit that on a public forum

 

[eyexer]

What part of LOTTERY don't people understand?

Does the ND Cash Lottery work like that? For every non winner I buy they give me more tickets for free hoping to win the 200 milling $? If that's how that works I need to get with the director of the lottery

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doesn't matter anymore, I buy a bow tag and give my buddies kid $100 to snag me one. I don't have the time to bow hunt. So at least I get sausage.

Probably not a good idea to admit that on a public forum

eh- no worries. they can't even bust gratis holders shooting off their land;:;rofl

 

[Enslow]

Just show us your 9 points eyexer.

 

[svnmag]

He's probably too busy raising koi and giving intel to the BLM on NoDak so he can lie to the people about his true objective of a one world govt. I hear he's also starting a "Kweer Kamp for Children". Sometimes this bastard uses bobbers and live bait when he could just as easily be fly fishing. If you'll research his posts, it's evident he supports increased stocking of bullhead. This guy sucks.

 

[dust in the wind]

points can be looked up at the gf site. Pretty easy to grab a screen shot of it.

As far as gratis holders getting busted hunting off their land, I have heard from wardens who have busted that very thing. Same with people hunting in units that they shouldn't be.

Do they catch all of them, I'm sure they don't but they do catch some.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

ndlongshot said,

And now guys can't get into CRP fast enough. Way more demand than acres available. Feds are broke and producers want in now that prices have leveled off. Sure would be nice if ND as a state would have a pot of money for our own crp program. Unfortunately we had our chance last fall and blew it. Would have been good money going to farmers for grass programs.

Every time this lottery subject comes up, the CRP cheerleaders glomb unto it. Want CRP, put your money into it. No....they want everyone else to pay for it. That gentlemen, is called a subsidy.

Funny thing is today I was tearing up another 40 acres of it. It went into CRP back in 1998. Came out in 2008. I tried to turn it into pasture. The green needle grass they put in 1998 is crap, my animals don't like it. Have to also cut it for hay every year because of all the wormwood. Can't let it make seed. That crap went nuts for 10 years in the CRP. This is damn poor feed.

After eight years of losing money on this field, I'm done. Made several tillage passes over it and it's still rougher than a cobb. Lots of fuel and it's going to take much fertilizer next spring to get this field to produce.

btw, there is no wildlife in it. It's a dead zone. Wildlife likes legumes and seeds. I'm not sure what the nature boyz were thinking back in the 90's with their grasses.

Also, I believe we need to update the criteria for CRP enrollments. If there are noxious weeds in the rock piles, fence lines, tree rows, waterways or headlands, those acres should not qualify. You know if it does, it's going to blow up into a full blown infestation.

 

[Enslow]

I guess the BS flag has spoken eh eyexer?

 

[You]

holy shmokes guys. eye's a bs'r (like the rest of us) but no liar. you've all experienced computer-related errors and glitches by now in your lifetime, no?!?!? (I know I have multiple times, but I didn't have the foresight to take and save screenshots sooooo....)

TOTALLY possible something program/computer-related caused his points to drop.

OR much, Much, MUCH less likely he forgot THAT he forgot to apply 2 years in a row ;-)



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oh, and eye, whyTF haven't you just bought your 64.8 hectares of primo deer land by now?!?!

 

[eyexer]

what's a hectares? Is that Russian? Did Putin take that off Hillary's server? Boy I got the boys riled up lol. I didn't even put in for a license this year lol. G&F screwed up my points for this year so I said screw it. I was supposed to have 6 points for this year but when I got my check back last year it said 1 point. So I called the clowns and they couldn't figure it out. I hadn't been draw for four straight years. So I just threw my hands up it really wasn't that important. If I get that damn hard up for deer sausage I'll just shoot a damn deer and make some. If I get busted then I'll just subpoena every damn record the G&F has just to piss em off.

 

[8andcounting]

I truly believe they could issue 90k tags year in and year out and deer numbers would be good , problem is they don't do counts so they don't know where to issue higher tags and so forth . The g and f has no idea how many deer are where cuz they are hopeless

 

[shorthairsrus]

Issue no road hunter tags --- hell you could issue 200k tags. Stipulate - that no hunter can drive during daylight hours period. If you get caught its a 100k fine.

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seriously ---- I think the lotto system works ok. I have been lucky in the past. I drew mule deer tags every year all throughout the 80s and the beginning of the 90s. Nobody went to the badlands back then. I think its a good idea that they lower the tag numbers. If we can get by with another good winter (which it does not look good) I think the numbers will rebound. In the areas that I frequent the numbers have rebound. Its nice to see deer again -- other than road kill.

 

[Duckslayer100]

ndlongshot said,



Every time this lottery subject comes up, the CRP cheerleaders glomb unto it. Want CRP, put your money into it. No....they want everyone else to pay for it. That gentlemen, is called a subsidy.

Funny thing is today I was tearing up another 40 acres of it. It went into CRP back in 1998. Came out in 2008. I tried to turn it into pasture. The green needle grass they put in 1998 is crap, my animals don't like it. Have to also cut it for hay every year because of all the wormwood. Can't let it make seed. That crap went nuts for 10 years in the CRP. This is damn poor feed.

After eight years of losing money on this field, I'm done. Made several tillage passes over it and it's still rougher than a cobb. Lots of fuel and it's going to take much fertilizer next spring to get this field to produce.

btw, there is no wildlife in it. It's a dead zone. Wildlife likes legumes and seeds. I'm not sure what the nature boyz were thinking back in the 90's with their grasses.

Also, I believe we need to update the criteria for CRP enrollments. If there are noxious weeds in the rock piles, fence lines, tree rows, waterways or headlands, those acres should not qualify. You know if it does, it's going to blow up into a full blown infestation.

You'll recall the initial intent for CRP was to raise the price of commodities during a time of huge supply and little demand. The fact it was environmentally beneficial for wildlife and the critters we hunt was not even a tertiary thought. Of course, once those benefits were realized later on, CRP became more of a farmer's crutch to get paid for marginal land he probably shouldn't be farming anyway. As evident by the amount of time, effort, fuel and fertilizer you're going to have to invest in that "garbage" CRP land you razed for crop production. But hey, history repeats itself...

As for wanting other folks to pay for it, I'd be totally game having to fork out $50 or $100 a year for a state-run CRP program that tied in with hunting access. I think that program is long, long overdue for North Dakota.

 

[gst]

Dependent on area cash rents are from $50 to $120 or more. So your commitment will cover one acre of CRP. How many sportsmen are willing to fund a program like you are and how many acres would that procure?

I think perhaps you might have missed fritzs point that when it is paid for by tax payers or taxes especially when tied to access becomes "subsidized" like some like to demonize.

Just because it takes a bit to get land back in shape after 15 years of CRP does not mean it is not productive lands.

There were far more acres enrolled in CRP than just "marginal" lands.

Most CRP can not be used for hay land unless you like banging your head off the side window in the tractor. Many grass species promoted for CRP make poor pasture as well. So what is to be done with land you may need to make a living from when the CRP contract expires?

Ohg by the way, there is an "expert" on here that disputes your statement that wildlife benefits were secondary.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

Duckslayer wrote,

CRP became more of a farmer's crutch to get paid for marginal land he probably shouldn't be farming anyway.

Who decides what constitutes marginal land? Who decides if land shouldn't be farmed? Social planners? Care to explain?

As evident by the amount of time, effort, fuel and fertilizer you're going to have to invest in that "garbage" CRP land you razed for crop production. But hey, history repeats itself...

Razed for crop production? Razed???? Care to explain?

 

[Duckslayer100]

Dependent on area cash rents are from $50 to $120 or more. So your commitment will cover one acre of CRP. How many sportsmen are willing to fund a program like you are and how many acres would that procure?

True, if you're paying cash rent rates. But the farmers now clamoring for CRP aren't exactly asking for top dollar, are they? Seems to me they want the going CRP rate payment just so they can get ahead, knowing full well they're going to lose money planting crops even before they put a seeder on the field.

Also, how long do you think these rental rates are going to stay at $50-$120/acre if commodity prices stay low? Something is going to give. You're already seeing it from the fools who gobbled up land when corn and soybeans were at record highs. Those smart old-timers who waited out the frenzy are picking up land from broke farmers for pennies on the dollar in some places...

I think perhaps you might have missed fritzs point that when it is paid for by tax payers or taxes especially when tied to access becomes "subsidized" like some like to demonize.

By all means, let's end the CRP program. But tell me: What would happen if a few million acres of once fallow land suddenly got into production? Would that hurt or help your bottom line? Be honest.

Just because it takes a bit to get land back in shape after 15 years of CRP does not mean it is not productive lands.

There were far more acres enrolled in CRP than just "marginal" lands.

True, and maybe that's where CRP has gone astray. Then again, I think there's different criteria on what land can be accepted into the program. Maybe it's not marginal, but it is close to waterways or is full of puddles and seasonal wetlands. Or it's some rare eastern long-stem prairie in the RRV that's home to meadowlarks and monarchs. I honestly have no clue. I imagine there's a lot that goes into picking the land, especially now when there is a lot more demand from farmers than there are acres allowed in the program. The feds get to be a bit more picky on what does or does not cut the CRP mustard.

Most CRP can not be used for hay land unless you like banging your head off the side window in the tractor. Many grass species promoted for CRP make poor pasture as well. So what is to be done with land you may need to make a living from when the CRP contract expires?

That's up the landowner, isn't it? And from what I've seen, the few WMAs that are grazed are done so annually. Doesn't look like the cattle minds one bit, despite the fact it's full of weeds. Maybe you just have picky cows? :;:

Ohg by the way, there is an "expert" on here that disputes your statement that wildlife benefits were secondary.

Are you that expert? No? Then why argue?

 

[Walleye_Chaser]

Seriously paying a kid $100 to go arrow your deer for you because you don't bow hunt? What the hell is that teaching that kid.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

To expand on what gst said. I got 1 bale of poor quality grass hay per acre and had to drive slow over it to not beat up my equipment. Land next door produced 4 bales.

Here's the deal. I purchased this land with CRP on it. The old fella put it in and got $25 an acre per year. I'm the guy dealing with the aftermath or effects. I have cut it and clipped it since 2008 to keep the wormwood from going to seed. The ground is still infested. I could have sprayed it but that would have killed all legumes leaving just the green needle grass that nothing will graze.

I don't know what the nature boyz were thinking when they pushed these grasses.

I've tried to turn this into pasture and I'm done.

 

[Duckslayer100]

Who decides what constitutes marginal land? Who decides if land shouldn't be farmed? Social planners? Care to explain?

Well, you have CRP. You tell me. I imagine some federal land biologist/assessor person. Or a monkey in an office throwing darts at a board. As long as you get paid, why do you care?

Razed for crop production? Razed???? Care to explain?

Razed...tilled assunder...repurposed. It's like one of those Ad Libs...pick a verb that fits.

Geeze Fritz, I didn't realize you were so PC. Are you going to get on me for saying I "killed" a deer his year instead of referring to it as "harvested?"