ND Joins Utah Lawsuit

[bravo]

They’re not all environmental activists like Fritz wants you to believe. And I’d rather fund more public hunting opportunity than more subsidies and PPP loans going into his pocket.

 

[PrairieGhost]

Ranchers wanting the public land is much like rich northerners ( carpet baggers) buying up southern land for pennies on the dollar after the civil War. They graze it at bargain prices now so the only thing that would change is they can keep you out. They can't stand to see you hunt without paying them.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

They’re not all environmental activists like Fritz wants you to believe. And I’d rather fund more public hunting opportunity than more subsidies and PPP loans going into his pocket.

There is this website called corona virus bailouts. Can these numbers be real?

https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/

Everyone can go on that weblink and look up anyone. I looked up two public lands-controlled opposition orgs and look at that below. WTF

https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/search?q=Backcountry+Hunters+And+Anglers&v=1

• Recipient
  BACKCOUNTRY HUNTERS & ANGLERS INC.
  Location
  Missoula, MT
  Loan Status
  Forgiven as of Aug. 17, 2021
  Loan Amount
  $427,125
  Date Approved
  Jan. 17, 2021
• Recipient
  BACKCOUNTRY HUNTERS & ANGLERS, INC.
  Location
  MISSOULA, MT
  Loan Status
  Forgiven as of Nov. 19, 2020
  Loan Amount
  $438,900
  Date Approved
  April 9, 2020
• 
  
• https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/search?q=National+Wildlife+Federation&v=1
  • Recipient
    NATIONAL WILDLIFE FEDERATION
    Location
    Reston, VA
    Loan Status
    Forgiven as of Aug. 27, 2021
    Loan Amount
    $6,029,807
    Date Approved
    May 1, 2020
    
    
  
  
  
  
  
  

 

[PrairieGhost]

The only thing that will preserve hunting in this modern world is public land. Any type of pay to play when it comes to hunting will reduce to only the wealthy hunt. Only in the imagination of the enviouse are the wealthy numerous. Politicians live by polls and when our numbers are diminished the anti hunters will win. More and more in our modern society only money has value.
Why do these states want the public land ? They have spent beyond their means and want more tax revenue. I don't know about all public land, but look at land owned by the U S Fish and Wildlife Service in North Dakota. I don't remember the compensation state and local gov get, but I think it's something like 70% of what they would get if a farmer or rancher owned it. At first one would think that's not fair, but what are taxes for? They are for education, to protect your buildings in the event of fire, to send law enforcment if your threatened, to build and maintain roads etc. However uninhibited land has no people requiring any of these services. So whats fair? People want the public land to make up for their own failures. They are already overcompendated. As for public land (that was originally all public land) the remaing (after giving most to individual homesteaders and states) is now managed by federal agencies, and I don't know if there is any compensation beyond cheap grazing.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

They’re not all environmental activists like Fritz wants you to believe. And I’d rather fund more public hunting opportunity than more subsidies and PPP loans going into his pocket.

Who all do you want to fund? Maybe a blank check?

They’re not all environmental activists like Fritz wants you to believe. And I’d rather fund more public hunting opportunity than more subsidies and PPP loans going into his pocket.

bravo brought up PPP or Paycheck Protection Program. The SBA Small Business Administration cut checks during the covid lock downs. Somehow non-profits got themselves included.

Typed in bravos most hated farm org at this website tracking the covid money. Very little to nothing.

https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/

Typed in the National Rifle Association. They took nothing at all. Typed in a few of these Association of Fish and Wildlife Agency surrogates. There's that giant sucking sound.

American Bird Conservancy
American Clean Power Association (ACP)
American Fisheries Society
American Sportfishing Association
Archery Trade Association
BASS LLC
Backcountry Hunters & Anglers
Bat Conservation International
Boone & Crockett Club
Canadian Wildlife Federation
Delta Waterfowl Foundation
Ducks Unlimited Canada
Ducks Unlimited, Inc.
Fur Institute of Canada
Fur Takers of America, Inc.
Island Conservation
Jack H. Berryman Institute
Mule Deer Foundation
National Audubon Society
National Bowhunter Education Foundation
National Marine Manufacturers Association
National Rifle Association
National Shooting Sports Foundation, Inc.
National Trappers Association
National Wild Turkey Federation
National Wildlife Federation
NatureServe
The Nature Conservancy
North American Grouse Partnership
North Dakota Natural Resources Trust
The Peregrine Fund
Pheasants Forever
Pope and Young Club
PERC: The Property and Environment Research Center
Recreational Boating and Fishing Foundation
Renewable Energy Wildlife Institute
Resource Management Service, LLC
Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation
The Ruffed Grouse Society
Safari Club International
Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership
The Wildlife Society
Wild Sheep Foundation
Wildlife Management Institute

 

[Trip McNeely]

Im fucking doing life way wrong. This whole time I was taught to work an honest blue collar job and be modest with my money. Im a goddamn sucker. Im going to start a 501-3c organization and call it “Boobies Unlimited” it’s to help and protect the declining species of boobies around the world. Mainly the blue-footed and pink footed booby. I’ll give myself. 350k a year salary and use all the companies assets like they are my own. I’ll beg for grant(free) monies to use my organization and tax payer funded F-350 and private jet to travel the globe and look at the many different types and colors of boobies of the world and vow to protect each and every booby while I squander all you dumb bastards hard earned tax dollars

 

[Trip McNeely]

Boobies Unlimited……”because two boobies are better than one”

 

[Kurtr]

Im fucking doing life way wrong. This whole time I was taught to work an honest blue collar job and be modest with my money. Im a goddamn sucker. Im going to start a 501-3c organization and call it “Boobies Unlimited” it’s to help and protect the declining species of boobies around the world. Mainly the blue-footed and pink footed booby. I’ll give myself. 350k a year salary and use all the companies assets like they are my own. I’ll beg for grant(free) monies to use my organization and tax payer funded F-350 and private jet to travel the globe and look at the many different types and colors of boobies of the world and vow to protect each and every booby while I squander all you dumb bastards hard earned tax dollars

I had my check book out but then figured you were talking about damn birds. Need a vp ? 150 k should be a fair salary seems like a good side hustle

 

[Traxion]

PPP served nobody and along with the stimulus are what drove inflation through the roof. Just the concept alone that we could magically make money and give it away opened the eyes of greed by many. And here we are.

 

[Trip McNeely]

I had my check book out but then figured you were talking about damn birds. Need a vp ? 150 k should be a fair salary seems like a good side hustle

You’re a terrible negotiator. 201k and it’s a deal

 

[bravo]

Who all do you want to fund? Maybe a blank check?


bravo brought up PPP or Paycheck Protection Program. The SBA Small Business Administration cut checks during the covid lock downs. Somehow non-profits got themselves included.

Typed in bravos most hated farm org at this website tracking the covid money. Very little to nothing.

https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/

Typed in the National Rifle Association. They took nothing at all. Typed in a few of these Association of Fish and Wildlife Agency surrogates. There's that giant sucking sound.

American Bird Conservancy
American Clean Power Association (ACP)
American Fisheries Society
American Sportfishing Association
Archery Trade Association
BASS LLC
Backcountry Hunters & Anglers
Bat Conservation International
Boone & Crockett Club
Canadian Wildlife Federation
Delta Waterfowl Foundation
Ducks Unlimited Canada
Ducks Unlimited, Inc.
Fur Institute of Canada
Fur Takers of America, Inc.
Island Conservation
Jack H. Berryman Institute
Mule Deer Foundation
National Audubon Society
National Bowhunter Education Foundation
National Marine Manufacturers Association
National Rifle Association
National Shooting Sports Foundation, Inc.
National Trappers Association
National Wild Turkey Federation
National Wildlife Federation
NatureServe
The Nature Conservancy
North American Grouse Partnership
North Dakota Natural Resources Trust
The Peregrine Fund
Pheasants Forever
Pope and Young Club
PERC: The Property and Environment Research Center
Recreational Boating and Fishing Foundation
Renewable Energy Wildlife Institute
Resource Management Service, LLC
Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation
The Ruffed Grouse Society
Safari Club International
Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership
The Wildlife Society
Wild Sheep Foundation
Wildlife Management Institute

You forget to mention somebody?

 

[Fritz the Cat]

PPP served nobody and along with the stimulus are what drove inflation through the roof. Just the concept alone that we could magically make money and give it away opened the eyes of greed by many. And here we are.

So true.

The North Dakota Game and Fish receives about $1 million dollars from federal for the state wildlife grants program. Money is used to study long billed curlews and furry patched bumble bees etc. When the US Fish and Wildlife Service is getting sued, they call NDGF looking for info.

In the news today,

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle...1&cvid=0ebe819e21614e9c9372d209e5682085&ei=19

Two wildlife conservation groups, WildEarth Guardians and the Center for Biological Diversity, sued the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service for delaying Endangered Species Act protections for the Rio Grande shiner and Clover's cactus — by years, they said, increasing both species' risk of extinction.

Should the words wildlife conservation groups and WildEarth Guardians and the Center for Biological Diversity be used in the same sentence.

Using this website, https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/

WildEarth Guardians took almost a half a million and the Center for Biological Diversity took $3 million.

Bought a bag of cheese puffs yesterday. $6.25. Yikes

 

[Fritz the Cat]

ID joins lawsuit that could threaten access to public lands, critics say​

A lawsuit could affect management of public lands, including Idaho's Craters of the Moon National Monument and Preserve. (Zack Frank/Adobe Stock)
Advocates for public lands access are raising alarms about a lawsuit that could be heard by the U.S. Supreme Court.
Utah has filed a suit arguing the U.S. Bureau of Land Management is holding about 18.5 million acres of land in the state unconstitutionally, saying it can't keep unappropriated land in perpetuity.

Idaho and twelve other states have joined the suit. They say federally controlled land should be transferred to states.

But Executive Director of the Idaho Wildlife Federation, Nick Fasciano, said that would be disastrous for public lands and the people who use them.

"State ownership of land at this scale is a direct path to privatization," said Fasciano. "State budgets do not have the capacity to manage lands at enormous scale like this without selling it off. Idaho has a constitutional mandate to maximize the financial return of the land under its management."

The U.S. Justice Department said Utah's claims are "without merit" in a brief filed with the Supreme Court.

The BLM manages nearly 12 million acres of land in Idaho. In total, there are more than 53 million acres of federally managed public land in the state.

Outdoor recreation has been increasing in Idaho, adding nearly $4 million to the economy in 2023.

Fasciano said hunters, anglers, and other recreationists fear privatization will mean they're cut off from access to public lands.


But he noted that when Congress tried to transfer public lands to states in 2017, there was an overwhelming response from the hunting community and the legislation was dropped.

"Hunters," said Fasciano, "we spend so much of our lives on public lands that we're very invested in these things continuing to be open and public, and prepared to get pretty loud in opposition to this sort of idea."

Fasciano said public input on how lands would be managed could be reduced if the state is in charge as well.

"The federal government has the ability to hold lands in perpetuity and has the financial capability to manage them," said Fasciano. "The state does not. And so, it's not a question of local versus federal management. It's a question of whether or not these are open and accessible to the public and available for habitat for wildlife or if they're not. And that's the big fear."