No licenses for non landowners

[gst]

Ah enslow you drug that bow in your neck over here from FBO and just can;t seem to get rid of it. If you don;t know what I am talking about, you must not have seen a bull when another one comes around in the spring bow their neck and start pawing throwin dirt lookin for a fight.

Seems like all those tags you have eaten are giving you indigestion and making you kinda owly.

relax man, go out and do something nice for someone, makes your day a little better.

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You must be lobbying to get into Bernie's cabinet as landowner Czar.

Think he will have czars?? I'm guessing that was more of an Obama thing.

 

[Bacon]

I'm confused. Are you guys upset because of the lack of deer, lack of tags or just that landowners get tags and you don't. Non of which is the landowners fault. Blame that one on g&f and Mother Nature. If we have a couple more winters like this year, there will be tags galore again.

 

[Enslow]

Ah enslow you drug that bow in your neck over here from FBO and just can;t seem to get rid of it. If you don;t know what I am talking about, you must not have seen a bull when another one comes around in the spring bow their neck and start pawing throwin dirt lookin for a fight.

Seems like all those tags you have eaten are giving you indigestion and making you kinda owly.

relax man, go out and do something nice for someone, makes your day a little better.

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Think he will have czars?? I'm guessing that was more of an Obama thing.

Haha i honestly dont have one problem with gratis tags and like the current system we have. Lets all be patient with these nice winters and see what happens.

 

[Crankn]

Never mind.

 

[Davy Crockett]

I know some farmers doubled their income during the crp heyday simply by putting up another mailbox. Right next to their "posted sign".

Did they have cows ? If it's what I am thinking that's CRP2 , It's set up that way . You can hay 50% of it every year after Aug 1st . Best CRP program I know of because it keeps the edges of the field from becoming a forest and keeps the weeds at bay. Without looking I can't tell you how much less the bids came in on this one but the payment was less so it's a trade off I don't have cows because I ve had to work away from my small farm all of my life because it wouldn't provide a enough income. Two of my neighbors share the 50% of the hay every year. They pay USDA $8 or so an acre. and nothing changes, I could hay it myself but I have to work off the farm to make my income so I lose out again. I'm not patting myself on the back , It's the only way I can explain that not all farms/landowners should be painted with a broad brush , Same with outdoorsmen . Working on solutions is funner than dickering about what was said in the past . Every option and opinion should be thrown out and considered whether we agree with them or not and hash it out from there. Pissing matches don't seem to solve much but there is a time and a place for everything, Just not all the time.

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On new seeded CRP2 you can't start haying 50% until the 5th year. There is a bidding process to see how cheap you will go and you have to control weeds. It's not as simple as waiting for the check at the mailbox

 

[SDMF]

I'm confused. Are you guys upset because of the lack of deer, lack of tags or just that landowners get tags and you don't. Non of which is the landowners fault. Blame that one on g&f and Mother Nature. If we have a couple more winters like this year, there will be tags galore again.

At least for myself, just picking that GST scab. I hunt w/family every yr in ND whether I have a tag or not. I had a rifle in the truck for predators but didn't carry a rifle or shotgun afield while we were actually hunting last yr. There's always tags to be had somewhere for something. I don't get particularly spun up about what other folks have/get.

 

[riverview]

ND so now then it is not just about the "opportunity to hunt" it is about the opportunity to hunt where YOU want to.

So should I now demand the "opportunity to hunt" over with my buddy on his land with my gratis tag?

ND, I have put up with literally hundreds of deer in our yard for years. I don;t mind a couple hundred or even three hundred. My wife and daughter like finding sheds with us and the boys and I are avid hunters so hey I will deal with the issues that come with deer. That is why I am not calling the G&F to deal with them for me.

We try to get people in that have doe tags to help manage numbers. Had 8 different people shoot does here this fall. The year they had the doe season after rifle season we had people come in and shot dozens of deer out of the yard.

When the G&F are not smart enough to figure out 2 feet of snow in rifle season impacts harvest numbers and assumes it is reduced population numbers to start with and so they cut the tags for next year and this happens two years in a row and suddenly the population explodes because there are far more deer out there than they knew about so they have ot have a doe only season after rifle season and give up unlimited tags, yeah there is too many deer. And at that point they can not get a handle on this snowball that turned into an avalanche until Ma Nature steps in and does it for them. And the pendelum swings too far and deer numbers are down

And then people like yourself want to limit those

people that own the lands

these deer are on all year which will only limit your "opportunity to hunt" down the road.

Remember the G&F are limiting tags to get deer numbers back up. Deer numbers go back up impacts to landowners go back up. And the cycle continues until Ma Nature steps in again.

Until a means to better manage these numbers as best as we can happens you are merely putting that band aid over the outside of the wound and ignoring what is going on inside. And in doing so picking a fight to boot that will not help in the long run.

I don't have a problem with land owners getting a gratis permit, my dad did for years he passed and my mom doesn't hunt so nobody gets a landowner gratis on 640 acres of land in 2c. I haven't had a gun license in four years and my brother in 3. only bow hunting until we draw a tag. I don't agree with people renting land and getting a gratis tag.

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This isn't anything new or different from any other state, I think people in ND just don't have a clue how good it was back in the 2000's. The big game resource doesn't meet the demand.

The NDGF and/or the ND deer hunters need to get over the 60-70+% rifle success rates. Increase the opportunity to get in field by restructuring the seasons and tag allocations.

I lived in Iowa for 3 years. There they had 4 firearm seasons, residents could only choose and hunt 1 of the 4:

1.) October Early Muzz Season - 1 week long in 3rd week of October, lower number of tags, difficult hunt for trophy's because of the lack of buck movement during this phase. Weather was nice, pressure was low.

2.) 1st Season Shotgun - 5 day hunt - get first crack at it, but hunt is only 5 days long

3.) 2nd Season Shotgun - 9 day hunt including 2 weekends, deer have been pressured from first season, however you get more time and another weekend to try and fill the tag

4.) Late Season Muzz - includes 3 weekends in late December

It would have to be tweeked to better fit ND and the landscape, however the idea of having a number of different seasons with each season having positive and negatives spreads out the pressure and still keeps different options available for how people like to hunt.

Other thing is they don't have any of the firearm seasons open during the peak of the rut.

can you bow hunt from sept. to jan. ?

 

[Farmer]

I know some farmers doubled their income during the crp heyday simply by putting up another mailbox. Right next to their "posted sign".

Keep this shit up and I'm going to buy stock in a sign company

 

[PrairieGhost]

Keep this shit up and I'm going to buy stock in a sign company

That's like someone telling you keep this crap up and I am going to call my congressman and resist every farm program. It works both ways. Gratis is ok with me, but what isn't ok is elk depredation with landowners who have a half dozen big bull elk mounted. At least don't go around bragging about it. One guy I had coffee with a half dozen times over two weeks. He was very kind and helpful. His neighbor liked to rub it in how many elk he had. My ears are not that bad yet, and I could hear his neighbor on the phone complaining "why are you letting that guy hunt, I have to make a living over here". His neighbor was an outfitter. I guess if you live next to an outfitter you can't let anyone on your land.

Don't cow elk eat ranchers grass too?

Edit: By the way Farmer I am all for landowners and hunters not crapping on each other. As of late a lot of crap has been thrown at hunters. Hunters are not out there in the spring tearing up roads, but they get blamed for it. Please don't take this post as jumping on you, I present it as food for thought.

pretty sure its a lottery within the gratis because i know more than a few landowners who didn't get their gratis tags this last year and i am pretty sure they put in for them. but, i could be wrong.

espringers, I think the only recent change is landowners have to put in for their gratis tag at the same time we apply. In the past they could go for a general tag, and if they didn't get it then apply for their gratis. That left the game and fish often having to issue more tags than intended in many units. I think it was a herd management decision when the population went in the crapper.

This is why I fish. When I get in my boat, nobody can tell me where I can and cant go. Maybe when I win the lottery I will buy some land and start hunting more.

That's starting to happen at Devils Lake with gates locked for access. One big area and only an outfitter and his clients fish it.

 

[Kurtr]

So there is a gate across the water. Calling lunker where is this water gate?

 

[gst]

Edit: By the way Farmer I am all for landowners and hunters not crapping on each other. As of late a lot of crap has been thrown at hunters. Hunters are not out there in the spring tearing up roads, but they get blamed for it. Please don't take this post as jumping on you, I present it as food for thought..

Okay, now that everyone knows prairie ghost is actually plainsman, can we get the bullshit Icon over here...........it will get used a lot on statements like this.

Plainsman, the threads you have started over on Nodak Outdoors where you moderate tells a different story.

plainsman. can you provide examples of " a lot of crap being thrown at hunters"?

 

[pluckem]

I don't have a problem with land owners getting a gratis permit, my dad did for years he passed and my mom doesn't hunt so nobody gets a landowner gratis on 640 acres of land in 2c. I haven't had a gun license in four years and my brother in 3. only bow hunting until we draw a tag. I don't agree with people renting land and getting a gratis tag.

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can you bow hunt from sept. to jan. ?

Archery opens October 1st. It remains open during both Muzz Seasons, however is closed during the shotgun seasons. It closes during the second week of January.

This gives the bow hunters the entire month of November to hunt the rut before the 1st season shotgun season opens. Definitely the thing I miss most about Iowa. A guy (hunting public land) can actually experience all stages of the rut and from up close.

If the NDGF feels like they need to go to a one buck tag system, I think they should adopt something similar. Give the bow guys another week in November before the rifle season opens up. And shuffle more tags into the Muzzleloader season.

Bow Season: Sept 1st - Second Friday in November
Rifle Season: 13 days - Open Second Saturday in November until the Thursday 13 days later
Muzz Season: 16 days - Open Last Saturday in November (open 3 weekends)

Make it a requirement that every deer shot needs to be registered. Start getting real success data.
Dates could be tweaked a bit above, but you get the idea. IMO the current rifle season has too much going for it, 3 weekends long during the peak of the rut. Spread it out a bit.

 

[sweeney]

my biggest problem with the gratis has always been the fact many landowners didn't stick to the parcel of land that the tag was intended for. They would split there land up to get 4 tags then hunt all four parts of land together or hunt other land in the unit, that wasn't the designated area for the tag.
Other than that I guess the fact the badlands became a 5-8 year tag instead of a 2-4 year tag really sucks, I would bowhunt out there for 3 days and other than ranchers or oil trucks I would only see maybe 3 other hunters. Then again there also only used to be 4 campers and 8 boat trailers where we grew up now there is 20 campers and 80 boat trailers all year long, and a 30 rack of busch light was 8 bucks on sale, gas was under a buck diesel was 79 cents, and our pets heads weren't falling off. Times are changing I guess and there are so many different views on what's right what's ethical and who is right and who is wrong that we as hunters have pulled a lot of our power and ability to influence legislation and our GNF.

 

[Timbuk-2]

There is not a lottery for gratis deer tags. If they get the app in before the deadline they get a tag for any legal deer. If they get it in after the deadline the tag is only good for a doe. If a landowner puts in after the deadline and there are no tags left anywhere in the state, a tag will not be issued.

 

[arrowdem]

my biggest problem with the gratis has always been the fact many landowners didn't stick to the parcel of land that the tag was intended for. They would split there land up to get 4 tags then hunt all four parts of land together or hunt other land in the unit, that wasn't the designated area for the tag.
Other than that I guess the fact the badlands became a 5-8 year tag instead of a 2-4 year tag really sucks, I would bowhunt out there for 3 days and other than ranchers or oil trucks I would only see maybe 3 other hunters. Then again there also only used to be 4 campers and 8 boat trailers where we grew up now there is 20 campers and 80 boat trailers all year long, and a 30 rack of busch light was 8 bucks on sale, gas was under a buck diesel was 79 cents, and our pets heads weren't falling off. Times are changing I guess and there are so many different views on what's right what's ethical and who is right and who is wrong that we as hunters have pulled a lot of our power and ability to influence legislation and our GNF.

im glad someone is taking this thread a bit more on the lighter side... that was awesome and i totally did not see that coming!

 

[PrairieGhost]

So there is a gate across the water. Calling lunker where is this water gate?

No water gate. That was Nixon. Yes, I am betting lunker can shed some light on this. As I understand there is some dispute over who owns what and a trail has been gated. There was a thread I think about that on FBO. Don't know much about it, but it sounds like Northland shut off a trail the public has used for ten years. The debate is if they own it or the country.

 

[arrowdem]

No water gate. That was Nixon. Yes, I am betting lunker can shed some light on this. As I understand there is some dispute over who owns what and a trail has been gated. There was a thread I think about that on FBO. Don't know much about it, but it sounds like Northland shut off a trail the public has used for ten years. The debate is if they own it or the country.

so this gate.. lets say KDM took his kayak out there that he's buying and just pulled it on shore and around the gate.. can they say/do anything about that?

 

[ShootnBlanks]

so this gate.. lets say KDM took his kayak out there that he's buying and he flips it and ends up on shore and around the gate.. can they say/do anything about that?

This is more accurate.

 

[KDM]

I am getting to be shaped more like a weeble wobble, but that hurt ShootnBlanks. Where's that butt balm???? (Sniff Sniff)

 

[arrowdem]

ha!