North Dakota Game Wardens Assc

[Kurtr]

We party fish in sodak it is legal in the boat.

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Small game the warden check the groups limit and big game if you shoot a deer and think I am tagging it you are sol

 

[Achucker]

I just want to say I am not in favor of party hunting. My comment was only to bring to light that this already goes on ILLEAGALLY in the state and aunt ethyl or jemima are getting tags even gratis tags and they are spending there last days in the old folks home and don't even get the pleasure of watching their deer shot. This is the one of the main reasons my chances of drawing are so tough in this state. That and I think the GNF hate me.

 

[Account Deleted]

When I go hunting with my friends it’s always a party! Get it?! I’ll show myself out.

 

[Retired Educator]

You mean kinda like the once in a life time tags?

If a Dad is enough of an asshole to shoot his kids deer and make them tag it.......do you actually think he is following the law as it is written now?

My uncle lived in Florida at the time before he moved back here and put in and paid for his own nonresident tag. He has been dead for several years now. As I said they lived on a fixed retired military income and traveled to ND back to family for visiting and filling his tag for the meat. We usually sent a couple deers worth of meat back with him paying for the shipping ourselves.

Why does it matter if it was a buck or a doe.........

They tried going to a one tag system because people that did not bow hunt were whining about others getting more than one tag.

Or perhaps they didn't go to the one-tag system because the bowhunters were whining about not getting more than one tag.

 

[dust in the wind]

Good grief retired educator - it had nothing to do with wanting to have more than 1 tag. It was the way it was being proposed that we disagreed with.

 

[Davy Crockett]

;:;popcorn

 

[Obi-Wan]

Good grief retired educator - it had nothing to do with wanting to have more than 1 tag. It was the way it was being proposed that we disagreed with.

Why did you specially disagree with

 

[dust in the wind]

Why did you specially disagree with

Seriously - this needs to be rehashed in yet another thread?

 

[Obi-Wan]

Seriously - this needs to be rehashed in yet another thread?

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Officials say it’s a response to a dwindling deer population and a way to more fairly distribute available licenses.

This year, 48,000 deer gun licenses were issued, the lowest number since 1980. About 30,000 hunters who applied for a license this year did not get one.


Winters take toll

In 2007, nearly 150,000 deer licenses were available. But three consecutive harsh winters took a toll on the state’s deer population and fawn production. That, coupled with a loss of habitat, has led to a steady decline in numbers since that time.

Under the current licensing structure, hunters can legally harvest three deer, if they are lucky enough to draw into tags in the lottery and purchase an archery license.

The proposal would mean hunters would get only one license a year — either gun, archery or muzzleloader.

Last winter, the Game and Fish Department conducted regional meetings around the state looking for input regarding deer management.

The issue was also a hot topic at spring advisory board meetings.

Jeb Williams, wildlife division chief for the department, said the new plan will make for a more equitable system.

“After evaluating all the input we received last winter, the general feedback we heard is that hunters understand there is no longer enough licenses so that everyone can get one for the gun season,” Williams said.

“But at the same time, they don’t feel the current system is equitably distributing licenses, since some hunters can get two or even three licenses when thousands of hunters get none,” he said.

The plan requires approval from the governor and, if implemented, would not guarantee a license for all who apply, Williams said.

But it would eliminate hunters getting multiple licenses.

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How it could work

In the preferred option, a hunter who is successful in the deer gun lottery would not be able to purchase a bow license or receive a muzzleloader license.

However, a hunter with a lottery gun license could also hunt with a bow any time during the open archery season, but only for the deer and unit specified on the license.

Resident hunters who apply in the deer gun lottery and do not receive a license, will still be able to purchase a bow license that is valid statewide for any deer.


Another part of the plan is hunters would be able to apply simultaneously for the deer gun and muzzleloader lotteries. The application would allow choice of a preference, so, if the hunter’s name is drawn and both muzzleloader and deer gun licenses are available at that time, the computer would issue the hunter’s preferred license.

In that case, the computer would remove the hunter’s name from the other lottery. Williams said a hunter would maintain the accumulated bonus points for the application that was removed from the lottery.

Williams said hunters will not lose any bonus points if they choose not to apply for a particular license and the department would do away with the current one-year grace period.

That means hunters who do not apply for two or more years would keep their preference points.

If populations rebound in certain hunting units, Williams said concurrent seasons could be offered in those units.

Youth hunters younger than age 16 would be exempt under the preferred option and could get a bow license as well as a deer gun or youth season license.

Gratis license holders could hunt in any open season on their own land, but may only get one license per year.

Williams acknowledged the plan will not satisfy everyone.

“Not everyone is going to agree,” he said. “I expect the reaction to be mixed. Some might say it doesn’t go far enough.”

 

[JUSTWINGNIT]

Holy shit. Gotta love the Internet where everyone does most things by the law. I call bullshit on most that say they have never done a GAME violation. That means ANY game is this state. Whether it be fins or fur. I hope to buy some land in the very near future and will kick a motherfuckers ass if I catch him poaching on my property. That is a promise.

 

[dust in the wind]

Obiwan - the g&f flat out told us at the advisory meetings that proposed change was suggested for purely social reasons. There was no biological reason whatsoever to go to a one tag system.

The majority of archers are not opposed to a 1 tag system if it needs to be done for biological reasons but it must be done fairly and correctly. Those suggestions have been proposed to them.

there are also some changes that could be done to the lottery to improve it. Those have been suggested as well. They even thought the ideas were good ones at least that’s the way they seemed at the meetings.

 

[JUSTWINGNIT]

What happened to the good old days where if you got caught doin shit wrong you either got an ass whooping bu whoever or brought home to mom and dad? By the way the latter was worse for me and im only 35!

 

[deleted member]

Back to the proposal. Where is the line drawn caliber wise? Considering plenty of us kill deer with. 22-50 & .243, am I right to assume we draw the line at .223? Silly. Since, .223 is also legal for killing deer. Would seem to encourage those already prone to breaking the law to now do so with borderline calibers. How's about you just watch an from afar and catch em with actually breaking the law and then book em Danno? The old fashioned way.

 

[Davy Crockett]

Decided not to post
Didn't want to hijack the thread.

 

[Zogman]

Allen, post 46. Thanks, Good info for me.

 

[dean nelson]

Let's play devil's advocate here. The gnf see's a problem.(party hunting) They say "how could we prevent this". I agree we don't need more laws but honestly this doesn't sound to ridiculous to me. If you really want to shoot a coyote and know the law exists would it be that hard to bring a second rifle? How many would actually shoot a coyote while a friend was hunting deer?

So your Devil's Advocate would be okay with setting the precedent of being able to charge someone possibly on their own private property with a crime that they have infact not committed simply because they are doing something that is perfectly legal and in fact constitutionally-protected. Not sure about you but there's seems to be a few things in there that seem jussssssttttt a bit sketchy!

 

[Allen]

Let's face it, there are already plenty of laws on the books with similar intent.

Another I dislike in particular is the one where if you have a rifle in your possession (vehicle), and if after dark you pull into an approach on the side of a gravel road (your headlights shine out into a field/pasture/etc, you are guilty of spotlighting and attempting to poach deer.

The actual law says that if you are caught in an area known for deer and if it's after hours, it is enough evidence to prosecute and convict you of poaching. WTF?

 

[Coyote Hunter]

It seems people that are concerned if it was a buck or a doe, or think that this particular instance the hangmans noose should be tightened perhaps have forgotten what hunting is about.

To me I care less whether party hunting is allowed or not, It was merely an example offered that showed sometimes laws are not one size fits all and often times such as the caliber and tag with the mount merely a way to tighten the screws.

I was in Bowbells at the advisory meeting the year Hildenbrand announced this new law went into effect requiring tags to be on deer forever.
I asked how they would determine 5 years down the road what deer had been shot before the law and that people would be assumed guilty would be required to prove our innocence as a result of this law. He claimed to everyone there it was not intended to be used in that manner. I asked why have the law then.

That winter at an archery shop I walked in as the warden was telling the fella that owned it he would have to provide documentation of some sort as to when the deer on his wall were shot..........

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Could you show where I said the law should be changed??

You said that you shot your uncle's deer and didn't think that was an issue... alluding to the fact that you shouldn't be fined for doing it. To me, that sounds like you think the law should be changed or it shouldn't apply to you, because you are special!

We are talking about implementing laws (caliber limitations, ect) that have flaws with in them that often the G&F care little about.

NO, everyone else was talking about caliber restrictions and implementing a new law. In your original post, you were justifying party hunting and how it doesn't apply to you because your uncle was unable to fill his tag on his own. Go back and read your original post...

Can you show where I assumed it gave me the "right" to shoot two bucks or that they were even bucks?

You sure seemed to be implying it...

Would you be alright with it if they were two does?

I would actually have less of an issue with it. It is still wrong, but at least I would buy the argument that he wanted/needed the meat. It is like the designated shooter law for tribal/reservation licenses. The idea behind it, is to provide meat for the elders and handicap (I think... ) who cannot hunt. Somewhere it got turned into certain people with 7 or 8 licenses to fill and they are trophy hunting with all the tags. I know this, because I spoke to individuals on the Standing Rock Reservation that had shot monster bucks and one guy had 5 tags to fill yet, and the other had 7 tags to fill. He was the designated shooter for a lot of people. I had heard the rule has since been changed... but looking at their regulations, it still looks like they can do it.

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For those claiming it is the law, what is the difference if it is a goose or a deer?


Antlers seem to make people a bit crazy.

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there are laws making it illegal so why is breaking those any different?

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[Retired Educator]

Or perhaps they didn't go to the one-tag system because the bowhunters were whining about not getting more than one tag.

I'm a big boy and don't feel put out at all for receiving a negative rep for this comment. All I did was change the wording that led to who was doing the whining. How does putting the shoe on the other foot feel? I'm not even 100% in favor of a one tag system as I do understand that it would have virtually no effect on the success rate of drawing an antlered rifle deer tag. The only change would be the perception of fairness.

I remember when the only rifle tag that was in a lottery was a mule deer tag. Whitetail tags were OTC, back in the 60's. Even mule deer tags were pretty easy to get as not many people were all that excited about hunting them. We didn't have any more deer then than now. What we didn't have were 90-100,000 applicants for the deer licenses. That and archery hunters were rare.

I have nothing against party hunting if it were legalized. It's not for me and I used to hunt with a group that had no problems with party hunting, that is for some of them. We had people in the party that told every9one, "If you shoot a deer for me I'll tag it no problem." We also had others who were adamant in "I'll shoot my own deer." It worked for everyone as everyone honored each hunters rules. It wasn't legal then and still isn't but it's not uncommon. The one rule everyone followed was, "no one shoots a deer for a kid, they shoot their own." That was back when just about all hunting was with deer drives and posters. Now most people don't walk much, sitting in a stand is more common now. Someone on here was correct in the best solution for this problem is more habitat that would produce more deer. Is that possible? Only when CPR rates can compete with other commodity and rent prices.

 

[luvcatchingbass]

One tag system not needed, I'm against party hunting and seeing that if we had it the deer population will show a decrease.
Now as far as caliber issue goes for a non big game tag holder we don't need anything like that. Too many variables but if I want to practice with my 6.5 or 7mm on a yote versus shooting paper that should be my choice

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Law breakers will still break the law or skirt the edge of it.
My big complaint is when people run their mouths about knowing others are doing wrong and how they are mad about it yet they stand by and do absolutely zero. So you either don't have proof or you are just being a chicken.