Pronghorn Drawing held

[Zogman]

No amount of points matter if everyone is right in the mix with you. You end up with same odds just another year down the road.

Someone correct me but didn't the lottery back in the day 80s 90s ran that if you drew an antelope tag you couldn't apply for another 3 years or something like that

I believe you are correct.

 

[Obi-Wan]

No amount of points matter if everyone is right in the mix with you. You end up with same odds just another year down the road.

Someone correct me but didn't the lottery back in the day 80s 90s ran that if you drew an antelope tag you couldn't apply for another 3 years or something like that

Weren’t mule deer tags similar regards to not being able to apply for a year back then?

 

[Rowdie]

No amount of points matter if everyone is right in the mix with you. You end up with same odds just another year down the road.

Someone correct me but didn't the lottery back in the day 80s 90s ran that if you drew an antelope tag you couldn't apply for another 3 years or something like that

Exactly!! That's why if you switch it to the method I listed one year of points will matter exponentially!! Those with 6 + points will have a huge advantage from they have now.

 

[Jiffy]

A: The game and fish doesn’t care about what we think “huntable” numbers are.

B: They sell tags, that’s their business

C: Gratis tags are a leftover byproduct of a time gone by. It’s apparently never going away no matter what.

Pronghorn in ND don’t do well. Especially when we keep killing them.

 

[double account removed]

hmm well huntable n sustainable are two diffrent things n the game n fish gets em both wrong on purpose to steal our tax dollers control our food sources n infring on our landowner rights theres no reason them antelopes shouldnt be back to their heyday numbers so what if 90 per cent of their habitats is gone from oil n ag wheres my tag

 

[Jiffy]

The habit is never coming back. Believe me when I say it WILL get worse. Check back in 10 years.

 

[Tymurrey]

The habit is never coming back. Believe me when I say it WILL get worse. Check back in 10 years.

The only way to combat the habitat loss is to put a value on habitat and wildlife. I know there is a lot of hate on gratis/landowner tags on here but that is one way to put a value on habitat and wildlife. I think it is a great time for those that want to increase habitat between cost share for trees, grassland and wildflower seed programs, and some of the programs offered by government agencies to conserve grasslands. Land is being inherited by family members who aren't present and don't care about the land besides the money they can make off it. The land i bought in wyoming came from 5 sisters who only one had ever set foot on the land before when she was a kid. Their family had homesteaded the land and all they wanted was to get rid of it. When pasture rent or hayland is half of what cropland rent is, why not farm what you can. My family is breaking up acres as i'm trying to put it back into trees and grassland but i value wildlife and they don't hunt much.

 

[1lessdog]

When my Uncle died about 8 yrs ago. He was never married so no children. He had 4 siblings that were still alive and 7 siblings that were dead but they had children. The siblings want to keep the land and rent it out. The kids wanted the money so they sold it. He had 13 quarters and it all got sold. They averaged just over 900.00 a acre. If it was sold now it would sell for over 2300.00 a acre. The land was SE of Jamestown 25 miles. With a creek going thru 4 quarters. It was good deer hunting.

 

[deleted user]

Ty I agree with you. I was lucky and purchased 200 acres the same way. A family out east who’s never been to ND didn’t want it. The only ag on it is a small food plot and the neighbor hays it for me. Whatever value those bales are to him are the only dollars generated. If I didn’t buy it, it would probably be half plowed up.

More public lands, better paying crp /easements on marginal land. Another thing that could be done is amending the century code that forbids conservation organizations from purchasing land. Write it in some way that access must be guaranteed, I don’t know. All of this is spitballing. Pretty unlikely as most of our lawmakers think every inch should be in production. Before I get jumped on I want to say it’s possible to be pro-conservation and not anti-farmer.

 

[Tymurrey]

Conservation costs, especially to do it right. Whether that be in time or actually money. Tree maintenance, weed maintenance, food plots, and so on. When I first started my quest to better hunting for myself, family, and friends I didn't make our renters to happy. It's a business and their livelihood and I understood that but i needed to do what i felt was best. Now my renters work with me to have the cattle out when i feel its right or leave some crop so they don't lose all the farm ground to me putting in food plots or cover. I feel like North Dakota needs to start taking notes from other states. Wyoming has HMA's that only allow a certain number of hunters. No access if you weren't drawn for that HMA and designated parking areas. Areas that are only open for certain dates and for certain species. Would this open up areas for upland if it didn't have to open it to deer hunters too. I get a gratis tag but do i think we could do something like Wyoming and require animal usage minimums, absolutely i do. Wyoming also does landowner stubs that landowners get money from if harvested on their land.

 

[deleted user]

I remember a lawmaker who pushed e-posting said a season and species specific PLOTS option was part of the deal. Must still be in the works…

I greatly appreciate PLOTS and the landowners who participate. But Wyoming and South Dakota do a great job with habitat and access compared to ND. Montana’s block management is also a good deal. It’s possible here. It’s just going to take more landowners to buy in.

 

[Slappy]

Exactly!! That's why if you switch it to the method I listed one year of points will matter exponentially!! Those with 6 + points will have a huge advantage from they have now.

LOL your idea works for you if you're the only one that accrues points exponentially.

Would be like selling raffle tickets for a penny instead of a dollar. If everyone spends the same, the odds don't change but you have 100 times the tickets to handle and draw from.

 

[Rowdie]

Here's the math 6 points vs 7.
Now...6^2= 36. Vs 7^2 = 49. Exponentially it is 2^6 = 64 vs 2^7 = 128.

Each doesn't just double your chances but takes 2 times the number of points. Those with more points have a much better Chance over those with just 1 less point and those chances widen every point.

 

[CatDaddy]

Here's the math 6 points vs 7.
Now...6^2= 36. Vs 7^2 = 49. Exponentially it is 2^6 = 64 vs 2^7 = 128.

Each doesn't just double your chances but takes 2 times the number of points. Those with more points have a much better Chance over those with just 1 less point and those chances widen every point.

Math is hard!?! This makes sense to me....

 

[LBrandt]

Like in the unit I live there is no deer tags left after gratis tags are given out and I cannot afford to go elsewhere. LB

 

[Slappy]

Here's the math 6 points vs 7.
Now...6^2= 36. Vs 7^2 = 49. Exponentially it is 2^6 = 64 vs 2^7 = 128.

Each doesn't just double your chances but takes 2 times the number of points. Those with more points have a much better Chance over those with just 1 less point and those chances widen every point.

You're not the only one with 6 points. And the lottery is already heavily waited to high point holders.

 

[Rowdie]

Thanks for formulas!!

Of course there is more than 1 guy with 6 points. I'm just stating that if you use the formula I offered those who have more points get a much better chance and the gap widens bigger and bigger each year.

 

[Rowdie]

For example those with 10 pts using 2 to the tenth power...(your points) is 1024 vs 730. And one more year would be 2048. The difference in formulas isn't much until getting up to year 9. This chart explains it much better and if you're waiting 10 plus years...wow.

 

[Ericb]

 

[Ericb]

On a lighter note... Will one of you skilled MOFO's score this guy!