Pronghorn Drawing held

[buckhunter24_7]

15 points and still unsuccessful

 

[Rowdie]

They need to make it drawings exponentially higher with the points. Put your name in 2 to the power of your points.

 

[NDSportsman]

They need to make it drawings exponentially higher with the points. Put your name in 2 to the power of your points.

That's how the weighted lottery works. 1 point is an additional entry, 2 points = 4, 3 points = 9 and so on. Still doesn't help a whole lot when your odds are already shit!

 

[Rowdie]

Looks like the exponent is 2 and points is the base. I'd switch those

 

[Downrigger]

I have no problem if someone rents or owns land for hunting the issue comes in when they get a gratis tag for said land. can the renter get a gratis tag for the land he rents for hunting right ?

Nope, have to be actively farming or ranching. One who rents land for farming can apply for a gratis tag so long as the landowner does not. They cannot both list the same parcel of land on their gratis applications.

 

[Rowdie]

15 points and still unsuccessful

See...This is why they should switch the way they draw it and enter your name 2 to the power of 15 instead of 15 squared(power of 2). Check the math... 15^2 = 225 Where as 2^15 = 32,768

I know I know right now at year 3 3points is better the way they do it as 3^2 = 9 and 2^3 = 8 AND 4^2 = 16 and 2^4 is 16 so its basically the same UNTIL year 5. Which IMO is when come on lets give these guys a chance.

 

[ndlongshot]

People love to complain about gratis landowners but don't seem to say anything about land being leased for hunting rights. That apparently has got real popular around me. After doing a little digging recently within about a 10mi radius there is around 3,000 acres that is being leased for hunting because the landowners aren't into hunting much or only hunt a little. What gets me is some land is rented and the renter is charging someone else for hunting rights not the actual land owner.

Would be a shame if the landowner found out their tenant was doing that......

 

[Obi-Wan]

Nope, have to be actively farming or ranching. One who rents land for farming can apply for a gratis tag so long as the landowner does not. They cannot both list the same parcel of land on their gratis applications.

I do not believe those that own land have to be actively farming the land for a gratis, but I could be wrong

 

[Allen]

I do not believe those that own land have to be actively farming the land for a gratis, but I could be wrong

Correct, a landowner does not need to be personally involved in farming the land to receive a gratis tag. However, a renter of the land must rent it for agricultural purposes in order to be eligible for a gratis tag. The renter and the landowner have to reach an agreement between themselves on who can apply for the gratis tag as the rules do not allow both to list the same acreage on a gratis application. However, I believe a married couple who own twice the number of acres required for a gratis tag can both apply for and receive a gratis tag while listing the exact same land on the application. The idea here is to allow married couples to hunt together. I recall this topic coming up a number of years ago and that was how it was presented.

At least, that was for deer. For pronghorn and the other big game species, I don't know if the same rules apply.

 

[wslayer]

Don know if this has changed recently but the Gratis program is a crock of shit. Numerous family members can get gratis tags for different parcels of land " if" they get turned down in regular lottery. It should be one way or the other, take you're chance in the lottery or do your gratis gig (and hunt the land that "is on your license" ). Gratis shouldn't be a backup plan if denied.
Have had this discussion/argument with a friend a few different times that it is wrong. He has taken advantage of it for years.

 

[Rowdie]

Would be a shame if the landowner found out their tenant was doing that......

A friend of the family's mother had a bunch of land she rented out. This was in the early 80's and 90's. The friend didn't care to farm and had a decent job driving UPS, plus momma took care of him if he needed something. The ones renting it sure acted like they owned it and IDK if he ever sold it too them or just keeps collecting rent as his mother has long passed. I'm know back when it was still rented the ones running it charged to hunt. I'm sure there are many situations like this all over. Hell I even know guys that leese Tribal land that used to charge before everyone found out the corn those geese fed in every years was tribal. I had a interesting conversation with old Harry on what they actually owned. 1/4 160 arcres surrounded by all Tribal huh....nice thing those property maps.

 

[8andcounting]

Don know if this has changed recently but the Gratis program is a crock of shit. Numerous family members can get gratis tags for different parcels of land " if" they get turned down in regular lottery. It should be one way or the other, take you're chance in the lottery or do your gratis gig (and hunt the land that "is on your license" ). Gratis shouldn't be a backup plan if denied.
Have had this discussion/argument with a friend a few different times that it is wrong. He has taken advantage of it for years.

It affects the bottom line none … whether he gets a gratis tag or a regular unit tag it doesn’t matter … gratis tags come out of the same allotment for unit tags so whether he draws a unit tag or gratis it’s a tag coming off the unit tag numbers

 

[buckhunter24_7]

See...This is why they should switch the way they draw it and enter your name 2 to the power of 15 instead of 15 squared(power of 2). Check the math... 15^2 = 225 Where as 2^15 = 32,768

I know I know right now at year 3 3points is better the way they do it as 3^2 = 9 and 2^3 = 8 AND 4^2 = 16 and 2^4 is 16 so its basically the same UNTIL year 5. Which IMO is when come on lets give these guys a chance.

It does suck but I also want a chance to get a tag again soon after I finally do get my tag. Also if I really wanted to just get one I can also send in for a different unit. Nd is not a huge pronghorn state, and I could go to any others state and get a tag much easier.

Now after saying all that I do have a problem with how we manage animals here in ND. I remember asking the game and fish two years ago to close the deer season in my area because of the horrific winter that we had but crickets. They refuse to be proactive about animal management. More critters= more tags

 

[Rowdie]

I'm not quite understanding? Next year you'll have 16 points. Would you rather not get a tag because you want to get two years in a row?? So the way it is now you'll have your name in there 16^2, which is 256. Or my way, you could have your name in there 65536 times. This will give everyone who's been unlucky a much better chance to draw. You'd think after 15 years of not getting a tag you'd be glad to just get one and not worry about getting how getting 2 in a row may be harder....jeesch

 

[deleted user]

It affects the bottom line none … whether he gets a gratis tag or a regular unit tag it doesn’t matter … gratis tags come out of the same allotment for unit tags so whether he draws a unit tag or gratis it’s a tag coming off the unit tag numbers

I get what you’re saying. But it matters in a way if the landowner applied in the regular lottery for one unit and owns land in another. The gratis tag is sort of a “thanks for keeping deer on the landscape” and/or “a tag for your animal-caused troubles”. If you have land in 2B, should it be an annual throwaway chance at a badlands mulie tag with your gratis safety net?

 

[8andcounting]

I get what you’re saying. But it matters in a way if the landowner applied in the regular lottery for one unit and owns land in another. The gratis tag is sort of a “thanks for keeping deer on the landscape” and/or “a tag for your animal-caused troubles”. If you have land in 2B, should it be an annual throwaway chance at a badlands mulie tag with your gratis safety net?

Yeh that’s true I see your point

 

[luvcatchingbass]

Would be a shame if the landowner found out their tenant was doing that......

Unfortunately I don't know the one land owner. They are some neices cousin hand me down that has always lived in Nevada or Cali from my understanding
But then again it's non of my business and the guy that rents it is a family friend. He is a little odd at times but I'm sure lots of people think the same about me

 

[Downrigger]

I do not believe those that own land have to be actively farming the land for a gratis, but I could be wrong

You're correct, I was answering 2 different questions and key board warrior a response to one of them. Land owner does not need to actively farm or ranch, renters do to qualify.

I don't have a problem with people that purchase land for hunting and get a gratis tag to use on that land. They've spent their money to "guaranty" a tag every year whether that's in state or out of state. They pay the taxes and typically rent the land out to area farmers, pay taxes, etc.

I think it gets weird with how the rules state (I'm not claiming I know this to be 100% true or understand) that you can hunt land with similar ownership. That means you'd be able to break-up land to grab multiple gratis tags but hunt all of it. But I also think of two brothers farming the home land (maybe they farm separately) and shouldn't they have the right to each have one? Little torn on that thought but also don't think that the G&F will do anything about it either way anyway so I'm probably torn for no reason.

 

[rodcontrol]

I'm not quite understanding? Next year you'll have 16 points. Would you rather not get a tag because you want to get two years in a row?? So the way it is now you'll have your name in there 16^2, which is 256. Or my way, you could have your name in there 65536 times. This will give everyone who's been unlucky a much better chance to draw. You'd think after 15 years of not getting a tag you'd be glad to just get one and not worry about getting how getting 2 in a row may be harder....jeesch

If you are unsuccessful for 4 consecutive years, on year 5 your points are cubed.
Buckhunter24_7 should have 3,375 (15x15x15) entries into the drawing. He apparently is terribly unlucky.

 

[Achucker]

No amount of points matter if everyone is right in the mix with you. You end up with same odds just another year down the road.

Someone correct me but didn't the lottery back in the day 80s 90s ran that if you drew an antelope tag you couldn't apply for another 3 years or something like that