SB 2137 passed today

[Fritz the Cat]

By that logic, I shouldnt have to follow any game laws on my property. ..or laws period.??

Game laws are set by the people through the legislature.

If you want the tail wagging the dog, then let the agency experts tell you what is best.

NDGF is following a model from the Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies. It is not an agency; it is a non-profit NGO.

Association of Fish and Wildlife Agency or AFWA, the NDGF membership fee is almost $40,000.
Western Association of Fish and Wildlife Agency or WAFWA membership is $15,000.
Midwest Association of Fish and Wildlife Agency or MAFWA membership fee is $4100.

AFWA has about 100 members paying about the same bringing in $5.5 million according to their IRS 990. They are not a 501(C)3 accepting money from anyone or foundation. They are 501(C)4 and 501(C)6 meaning they only get money from membership and therefore can lobby.

They have many committees for Sage Grouse, Mule Deer, Human Dimensions etc. The Wildlife Health Committee is made up of 28 GnF personnel from various States. Our GnF director is leadership sponsor and our DVM are both on the panel and put their names on the Best Management Practices or the document they say gives them the authority to ban. There is no science in the document, it is data. The supporting data is backed by references and cited literature. I do not believe it was written by 28 GnF persons.

The literature cited and data references are impressive. Like US Geological Survey or some other federal agency. We the people do not have access to that material without a freedom of information request. I would wager an equal amount of data exists that does not support their position.

What is lost in these discussions is NGO or non-governmental organization. The membership fees come from all 50 State Game and Fish agencies and their federal partners like EPA, USFWS, USDA, USGS.

https://www.fishwildlife.org/landing/membership/member-list

They are not so much an NGO as they are a GO or governmental organization. And then of course in that list is all their surrogate non-profits @ $55K for a membership.

It's not like a non-profit does zero good. There are many discussions on international migratory birds, Pitt-Robertson money etc. etc. But it can also be a boiler room of ideas for more legislation for more spending. Deficit spending or redline spending with no mechanism to pay for this stuff. The CWD Research and Management Act came right out of there passed in Dec. 2022 has not ever been funded. Another is the Recovering Americas Wildlife Act $1.4 Billion and has the potential to bring $23 million to ND.

On December 17th, 2024, the NDGF held a habitat summit. Three days before that Rep. Debbie Dingel from Michigan introduced for the umptieth time the RAWA. Coincident or collusion??

The wildlife industry is big business.

 

[8andcounting]

Game laws are set by the people through the legislature.

If you want the tail wagging the dog, then let the agency experts tell you what is best.

NDGF is following a model from the Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies. It is not an agency; it is a non-profit NGO.

Association of Fish and Wildlife Agency or AFWA, the NDGF membership fee is almost $40,000.
Western Association of Fish and Wildlife Agency or WAFWA membership is $15,000.
Midwest Association of Fish and Wildlife Agency or MAFWA membership fee is $4100.

AFWA has about 100 members paying about the same bringing in $5.5 million according to their IRS 990. They are not a 501(C)3 accepting money from anyone or foundation. They are 501(C)4 and 501(C)6 meaning they only get money from membership and therefore can lobby.

They have many committees for Sage Grouse, Mule Deer, Human Dimensions etc. The Wildlife Health Committee is made up of 28 GnF personnel from various States. Our GnF director is leadership sponsor and our DVM are both on the panel and put their names on the Best Management Practices or the document they say gives them the authority to ban. There is no science in the document, it is data. The supporting data is backed by references and cited literature. I do not believe it was written by 28 GnF persons.

The literature cited and data references are impressive. Like US Geological Survey or some other federal agency. We the people do not have access to that material without a freedom of information request. I would wager an equal amount of data exists that does not support their position.

What is lost in these discussions is NGO or non-governmental organization. The membership fees come from all 50 State Game and Fish agencies and their federal partners like EPA, USFWS, USDA, USGS.

https://www.fishwildlife.org/landing/membership/member-list

They are not so much an NGO as they are a GO or governmental organization. And then of course in that list is all their surrogate non-profits @ $55K for a membership.

It's not like a non-profit does zero good. There are many discussions on international migratory birds, Pitt-Robertson money etc. etc. But it can also be a boiler room of ideas for more legislation for more spending. Deficit spending or redline spending with no mechanism to pay for this stuff. The CWD Research and Management Act came right out of there passed in Dec. 2022 has not ever been funded. Another is the Recovering Americas Wildlife Act $1.4 Billion and has the potential to bring $23 million to ND.

On December 17th, 2024, the NDGF held a habitat summit. Three days before that Rep. Debbie Dingel from Michigan introduced for the umptieth time the RAWA. Coincident or collusion??

The wildlife industry is big business.

You are spot on it’s a complete dog and pony show .

 

[Pigsticker]

The wildlife industry is big business.

Big business, or corrupt business? Or maybe those two just go hand in hand...

 

[Fritz the Cat]

The Governor signed it.

 

[tman]

Nd back country hunters and anglers was the biggest opposition to this bill never support that org they will just use your money against you to go lobby against what the majority of the people of ND want Brock Wahl is the ring leader of it and does was ever NDGF tells him I repeat never support him or his org. Thanks governor Armstrong and the legislatures that voted to pass this bill the people of ND voices have been heard and common sense prevailed

 

[Fritz the Cat]

NDBHA is an affiliate of its national org BHA who have a seat on the Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies.

https://www.fishwildlife.org/landing/membership/member-list

It costs $55K to belong.

The Pronghorn Foundation fell by the wayside and Brock is Chair of a group trying to resurrect it. If successful it could give AFWA another dues paying surrogate pretend sportsmen's org.

 

[Fester]

I remember about one post into Brocks BS i called it and took some heat for it. I hope people realize 99% of these so called organixations are a money grab and pat themselves on the back organizations. They do absolutely nothing for the sportsmen and have their own agenda usually not alligned with most sportsmens beliefs.

 

[bravo]

Speaking in pretty broad strokes there guys. I don’t know if you’re trying to convince yourselves or others. Are local DU, Mule Deer, RMEF just money grabs? Just because you disagree with one thing, doesn’t make them all bad. I look at what BHA has done with habitat projects, the corner crossing case, working with ND landowners for cow elk tags and access. You may not like Brockw for his opinion on CWD regs. But I wouldn’t say they don’t stand for sportsmen.

 

[Fester]

Speaking in pretty broad strokes there guys. I don’t know if you’re trying to convince yourselves or others. Are local DU, Mule Deer, RMEF just money grabs? Just because you disagree with one thing, doesn’t make them all bad. I look at what BHA has done with habitat projects, the corner crossing case, working with ND landowners for cow elk tags and access. You may not like Brockw for his opinion on CWD regs. But I wouldn’t say they don’t stand for sportsmen.

99% dont..sure some do..most have some BS underlying agenda while on the surface may "help" a little.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

Speaking in pretty broad strokes there guys. I don’t know if you’re trying to convince yourselves or others. Are local DU, Mule Deer, RMEF just money grabs? Just because you disagree with one thing, doesn’t make them all bad. I look at what BHA has done with habitat projects, the corner crossing case, working with ND landowners for cow elk tags and access. You may not like Brockw for his opinion on CWD regs. But I wouldn’t say they don’t stand for sportsmen.

Remember when the duck u spent $5.4 million on the Clean Water Wildlife and Parks Constitutional Amendment in 2014? The seven paid to collect signature NDSU football players in the scandal. Those 7 collected 3/4 of the signatures needed or 24,000 all by themselves. ND Secretary of States Office caught it.

The ND proponents didn't catch it because they had hired a firm out of Missouri to do the actual collecting of signatures. A firm from Missouri was used because they were instrumental in passing the Design for Conservation Sales Tax is a 1/8th of a cent sales tax that goes directly to support fish, forest and wildlife conservation efforts through the Missouri Department of Conservation.

Flush with cash it is the envy of every States Game and Fish Agency.

The wildlife industry is big business.

 

[bravo]

99% dont..sure some do..most have some BS underlying agenda while on the surface may "help" a little.

Any examples? Honest question.

 

[Fester]

Any examples? Honest question.

Pfft thats funny shit..nope...when your given examples it doesnt seem to matter. Ddint fritz just give you one?...

 

[bravo]

Pfft thats funny shit..nope...when your given examples it doesnt seem to matter. Ddint fritz just give you one?...

He did. A shady example for sure, but if you re-read I was referring to local chapters. If you have examples I have an open mind.

 

[Fester]

He did. A shady example for sure, but if you re-read I was referring to local chapters. If you have examples I have an open mind.

Lol point proven. And nope

 

[bravo]

Lol point proven. And nope

Ok.

 

[Kurtr]

My view is local chapters are generally on the up and up and good guys doing good stuff. Its when you get to the national level they loose sight of what the orgs were created for

 

[Trip McNeely]

He did. A shady example for sure, but if you re-read I was referring to local chapters. If you have examples I have an open mind.

Shady? DU shitcanned themselves for life in ND because of that and other stunts against landowners. You know how many landowners will automatically tell people “no” to hunt the minute they see a DU sticker or hat….. like I said earlier Delta Watertowl leaves the landowners and property rights stuff alone and focuses on habitat/ predators and nesting/growing numbers of birds and is why they have an actual base and following in ND. Right or wrong, like it or not…. Doesn’t matter. You go against farmers/landowners in ND you get ran over. Tried to tell Brock this and where he needs to shift his focus. Was genuinely trying to help this guy out early on but he wouldn’t listen and chose the wrong fight. Maybe there was too much “free money” to be had

 

[8andcounting]

I look at what BHA has done with habitat projects, the corner crossing case, working with ND landowners for cow elk tags and access.

This is news to me

 

[Average_NDA_Member]

My view is local chapters are generally on the up and up and good guys doing good stuff. Its when you get to the national level they loose sight of what the orgs were created for

hmm nope you musta not gotten the memo son there all a front fer lib money agendas im thinkin the farmers n ranchers that put on the du banquet in my hometown must be secret chinese lib or somethin neways yer spoused to hate everything

 

[wct12]

My view is local chapters are generally on the up and up and good guys doing good stuff. Its when you get to the national level they loose sight of what the orgs were created for

Does local chapter money get used to pay dues to national orgs? And so national orgs play local chapter membership numbers as their own? Honest question there I don’t know the answer to.

My money goes to a local org for pheasants (no ties to national orgs) that gives out food plot seed, does a bird release, and does a youth pheasant shoot every year. There’s actually 2 local orgs I spend money at (missed one this year) that I’ve been very happy with!