Sunday Blue Law

[Retired Educator]

I have been in favor of this change for a long time. I've never had to work on Sundays but am married to a health care professional. Has never affected our family. Depending on what was going on, sometimes my wife liked to work on a Sunday and have a Wednesday off. It's all in the profession you choose. If you flatly don't want to work on a Sunday; become a teacher. In my career we never did have a school day on a Sunday and there is a teacher shortage so jobs are available.

 

[guywhofishes]

There are consequences to liberalizing things. This country has been on a steady slide toward less puritan behavior. "Good!" most would say. But the evidence suggests that when you liberalize society you pay a price. "Puritan" laws, while seemingly onerous, do promote a more decent society.

I'd be hard-pressed to say today's society is better than the 60s/70s I grew up in. What's changed? A million things like this law... drip, drip, drip. Call me an old fuddy duddy but the results speak for themselves.

I once read something that said something along the lines that "maturity is learning to deny your immediate wants either for others or for your long term desires". Like wanting to go to the bar every night or you want to hunt/fish 24/7 but now you have kids... or you want a house or better job in the future so you practice discipline and work hard and don't piss your money away.

In my opinion, less rules/laws that promote some sort of common discipline and order or otherwise deny people from having everything they want when they want it is resulting in a bunch of adults with a maturity level equivalent to what grade schoolers had in the 50s/60s.

Will the elimination of this blue law be noticeable on a social level? Probably not, to most, but it's just one more drip in an ocean of change I've seen in my 50 yrs in ND. #$%^&>

 

[Obi-Wan]

uuummmm, how many preachers get sundays off???

Back in the 80's the priest in Orin ND would hold Sunday mass late in the morning because he was a goose hunter and wanted to get in the morning hunt.

 

[ndlongshot]

There are consequences to liberalizing things. This country has been on a steady slide toward less puritan behavior. "Good!" most would say. But the evidence suggests that when you liberalize society you pay a price. "Puritan" laws, while seemingly onerous, do promote a more decent society.

I'd be hard-pressed to say today's society is better than the 60s/70s I grew up in. What's changed? A million things like this law... drip, drip, drip. Call me an old fuddy duddy but the results speak for themselves.

I once read something that said something along the lines that "maturity is learning to deny your immediate wants either for others or for your long term desires". Like wanting to go to the bar every night or you want to hunt/fish 24/7 but now you have kids... or you want a house or better job in the future so you practice discipline and work hard and don't piss your money away.

In my opinion, less rules/laws that promote some sort of common discipline and order or otherwise deny people from having everything they want when they want it is resulting in a bunch of adults with a maturity level equivalent to what grade schoolers had in the 50s/60s.

Will the elimination of this blue law be noticeable on a social level? Probably not, to most, but it's just one more drip in an ocean of change I've seen in my 50 yrs in ND. #$%^&>

Still.............not the governments job to dictate behavior 1/14th of the time. Thanks. I can manage myself.

 

[Obi-Wan]

Still.............not the governments job to dictate behavior 1/14th of the time. Thanks. I can manage myself.

the government makes laws everyday to dictate behavior

 

[ndlongshot]

the government makes laws everyday to dictate behavior

And I disagree with a good share of it. Crimes that have a victim is a separate issue. But in todays day and age, all government does is take my money, and take my liberties with each new law.

PS. Taxation is theft.

 

[guywhofishes]

Still.............not the governments job to dictate behavior 1/14th of the time. Thanks. I can manage myself.

And that's the problem. Most, like you, can manage themselves. But enough can't that when you don't provide guidelines they eff it up for everybody else.

You know why there are speed limits? Because most of us would drive responsibly regardless of no limits. But the 10-15 percent that can't would kill a bunch of those that do.

 

[Brian Renville]

And that's the problem. Most, like you, can manage themselves. But enough can't that when you don't provide guidelines they eff it up for everybody else.

You know why there are speed limits? Because most of us would drive responsibly regardless of no limits. But the 10-15 percent that can't would kill a bunch of those that do.

Certain things need rules especially when they deal with behaviors that can be harmful to innocents, like dangerous driving, yet what does that have to do with telling a person they can't make a paycheck on a sunday morning? I have a feeling if the Vikings games regularly started at 10am this rule would have been gone a long time ago.

 

[ndlongshot]

I also believe I was born 150 years too late. And often dream of moving to the bush where I can live off grid and be left alone.

But yet here we are, being contributing members of society...bitching on the interweb. Life is a funny thing......

 

[guywhofishes]

Certain things need rules especially when they deal with behaviors that can be harmful to innocents, like dangerous driving, yet what does that have to do with telling a person they can't make a paycheck on a sunday morning? I have a feeling if the Vikings games regularly started at 10am this rule would have been gone a long time ago.

I’m addressing the generic “less laws the better, thank you” comments - it’s not always valid.

Lots of people were already earning paychecks on Sunday morning BTW

 

[Captain Ahab]

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[guywhofishes]

ha ha

indeed

don’t mind me guys

also, get off my lawn!

 

[ndlongshot]

May I present, Exhibit A:

[h=1]You Can’t Just Do Art Without the Government’s Permission[/h]

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2 hours ago | by Rob Port
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A mural on the front of the Lonsome Dove bar in Mandan which local officials say is illegal.
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[FONT=&quot]Recently I read an article from Reason about a pizzeria in Arlington, Virginia, which came under fire from local government because the mural they paid to paint on their business featured pizza.
The mural included pizza because the business, you know, sells pizza, but apparently that’s against the rules. “Under Arlington County’s sign code, no mural painted on the outside of a business may depict the products sold inside,” Reason’s Christian Britschgi reported.
I read that and laughed. Those crazy Virginians, am I right?
Only, today I read in the Bismarck Tribune that a business in Mandan is having almost exactly the same problem. Cheryl McCormack reports:

The Lonesome Dove, 3929 Memorial Highway, was cited in October by code enforcement for placing an unpermitted Western-themed mural on its front wind block.
Shortly after being cited, bar owners Brian Berube and August Kersten applied for a permit for the large mural, which was completed by local artist Adrienne Phillips and is valued at $2,600. According to Kersten, the work of art took about two and a half months to apply.
The Mandan Architectural Review Commission, on Nov. 13, denied the application based on the following: The city’s mural guidelines state “no mural may be placed on the front of a building” and “no mural shall convey a commercial message.” City code states “no sign or wall mural shall be painted on any building without prior approval from the MARC.”
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Right. You can’t just do art without the government’s permission. What do you think this is, a free country or something?
Be sure to read the whole article, wherein it’s made very clear that this regulation of art is extremely subjective, hinging in no small part on whether or not local officials like the art.
Maybe you could argue that it’s right and proper for local government to regulate business signage to some degree, and maybe that should even include a mural the business might want to paint on their property, but how in the world can the bureaucrats get away with telling a business their art can’t contain a commercial message?
It’s not like this is being painted on public property. It’s not like the mural was subsidized in someway by taxpayer dollars.
A business commissioned some art to promote their business. Of course it’s going to be commercial. Why in the world would that be illegal?
I have no doubt the folks at Lonesome Dove have run afoul of the law – the article describes the business owner as being unaware that the Mandan Architectural Review Commission was even a thing – but let’s admit that the law in this instance is pretty stupid. What’s more, we’re paying public officials salaries and benefits to work themselves into a high dudgeon over a mural on the side of a bar mentioning the bar’s name.
We’re lectured all the time by the politicians about the scant resources local governments. Maybe they should try doing less of this crap.
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[BDub]

With 10000 jobs openings in our state this should be just great. Already a good percentage of retail help are idiots or can’t speak English. I suppose we could up the immigration quota. Then we could start another thread about the lousy service. Consequences.

 

[db-2]

retire:
In my short few years as a teacher there where times that a teacher did work on Sunday as I am sure you did as I did.
In fact one was expected to work the evening also for whatever school event and in the summer one got to take class for teaching. DB

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and in some of the small towns i have lived in their are no stores to even be open on sunday.
Adapt to whatever.

 

[Retired Educator]

retire:
In my short few years as a teacher there where times that a teacher did work on Sunday as I am sure you did as I did.
In fact one was expected to work the evening also for whatever school event and in the summer one got to take class for teaching. DB

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and in some of the small towns i have lived in their are no stores to even be open on sunday.
Adapt to whatever.

Can't argue that teachers haven't spent their time working n a Sunday. But I did say we never had a school day. It's like a lot of jobs, not all the work is done on the job.