The whole posted / unposted land thing in ND should die (includes Poll)

[gst]

did did you pony up the money or did your insurance company cover the loss?

do you receive any gov subsidies to help support your livelihood?

Cash out of pocket, insurance companies don;t like these claims so if you use it a couple times your done and have nothing for a major claim. $1200 bucks covered it.

Didn;t take long for the old govt subsidies one ot show up. Yes I am enrolled in Federal ag programs that provide a payment to those enrolled for the takings of the ability to use their private property as they see fit by the govt.

What exactly does that have to do with someones "resource" causing damage to private property?

Not trying ot be an ass, just pointing out if you pull into somenes yard spouting "those are my deer" you may not get started o the right foot. (not aimed at you labhunter)

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We hear this claim quite a bit. And before anyone goes all plainsman here, indeed wild life is a public resource. But why is it the public then is only concerned with their "resource" when they want to make use of it during for say the deer gun season 17 1/2 days?


Errr, I believe your premise is completely false. Ever hear of sportsmans clubs, Pheasants Forever, Mule Deer Foundation, Ducks Unlimited, etc, etc? How can those memberships, mostly filled with hunters who care about the resource, be unconcerned about the public resources?

Allen what percentage of people that take to the field actually belong to these groups? A portion of these orgs do infact care for "their" resource outside of a hunting season, but with what considerations for the cost to those people that are actually the stewards of the land these animals live on? Perhaps I should have said a "vocal portion of the public" to appease your absolute ideals.

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I'm guessing by the amount of government payments you've received I've ponied up plenty for your survival.

North Dakota doesn't have the budget to have a block management program like Montana. Montana's program is funded by non-resident big game license fees which amounts to a lot more funds than North Dakota has. Everyone pushes things and everyone has an agenda but most just want to point out the other guys without admitting theirs. I just don't think it's too much to ask to post property if you don't want to allow people access.

Ah Lab hunter, you must have missed the part of the post were I said "before someone goes all plainsman on me"............

You have watched Bruce and my discussion over on Nodak enough to realize what you have paid in your portion of a govt payment to "me" so the govt can control private lands in your life time would not amount to what damage that one moose caused. And besides as I asked, what does this govt's cheap food policy have to do with "your resource" causing damages?

No big deal, it is all part of what we deal with when we choose to farm or ranch. I just get a kick out of these fellas that claim wildlife is "their resource" that would likely be the loudest one squacking if my "resources" wandered into town and ate their petunias.

North Dakota spends a fair bit on plots. If they ran it like Mt.s program both parties would be better off. landowner enrolls better lands, more people hunt it, worth more to enroll. They enroll barren pasture grazed down to the dirt, no one hunts, they do not get paid. People that have to sign in tend to remember to shut gates and pick up trash.

 

[johnr]

Crop insurance subsidies are not a direct payment to a farmer, they actually go to the insurance company to lower the farmers premium cost.
Kind of like how those of us that have sent kids through school, everyone's property tax pays towards the cost of that school, but not everyone has kids.
We want cheap food just as much as we don't want dumb kids.
I've never used the fire department either, but am happy my taxes keep it alive.

Never been a fan of the argument that the few cents each year that I pay in for a crop subsidy entitles my to use someone else's land, anymore than the food stamps I provide for my loser neighbor entitles my to her thanksgiving dinner.

A lot of times the farmer is required to insure his crops by the bank to secure the banks investment in the operating loan, farmer has no choice but to insure, same as when you have a mortgage and have to insure that.

 

[guywhofishes]

Confused: Who fed the wild game back when the native peoples relied on them for every meal?

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Who feeds and cares for the wild game out in the National Grasslands?

 

[johnr]

I know who is feeding the neighbors kids....haha and it ain't their mother

 

[Kurtr]

I didn't read half the posts, but why is it people from California, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Montana, South Dakota, and on and on and on, think they need to tell us hicks how to do things? Kiss off.

From SD perspective we ain't telling you how.to.do shit. Seems everything is good just how you guys like it. So how many years do you wait to shoot a buck sounds cool... I need to quit playing on the interweb got.2 rifle.tags to fill this year an any deer and a any whitetail but hey enjoy the that deer season up there from all us Speaks

 

[love2fish2gether]

I would give up hunting. This year we got a different deer unit. Everything is posted. I spent most of my fall working on getting land to hunt two does instead of hunting pheasants. I did find someone that will let us on. But my neighbor knows him so it helped. Everyone else was saving it for someone. That law would hurt ND hunting because we just do not have enough public.

 

[NDSportsman]

Here we go again lumping everyone into the same categories. Not all landowners are assholes and not all sportsman are either. People need to stop judging everyone else by the actions of a few asshats! If your a peasant like me that doesn't own land you have a three choices: Hunt public or non posted land, go ask to hunt someone's private posted land or don't hunt at all. As a land owner you also have three choices: Don't post your land, post your land and allow access to who you want or don't allow access. Just need everyone to do there thing with some courtesy and respect for each other. Unfortunately there is way to little of the latter anymore!

 

[SupressYourself]

My thoughts?

Hell no and if that's the way you want it move back to SD! LOL you asked.

Fair enough. Despite the wording of the title, I don't actually feel that strongly about it, thus the "meh.." option in the poll.

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I didn't read half the posts, but why is it people from California, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Montana, South Dakota, and on and on and on, think they need to tell us hicks how to do things? Kiss off.

No one is telling anyone how to do things. Just opening a conversation about an interesting (and apparently quite divisive) topic.
I've lived in ND now for 12 years. At what point do I become "from here"?

 

[KDM]

I know plenty of landowners that don't post because they don't care about hunting and just don't want the additional hassle. The posted signs allow every landowner to decide how they want to use their land. Making everything posted takes this option away from the landowners and forces them to deal with the requests. The present system works just fine. For those that want everything posted up automatically are working for the "Other Side" and want hunting to be more difficult than easier.

 

[fnznfwl]

Confused: Who fed the wild game back when the native peoples relied on them for every meal?

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Who feeds and cares for the wild game out in the National Grasslands?

gst. just ask him.

 

[Kurtr]

I had a deer hit my pickup I would like to know whose deer this fucker belongs to and how this issue will be rectified.

Ok so now the land owner told me this deer is the public deer if i set up a go fund me account for repairs to my pick up i should have a shit ton of donations from the public if i am to under stand this owner ship thing correctly. Every one wants to own the booner but seem no one wants to take owner ship of this damn one year old doe......

 

[guywhofishes]

That's weird because the only feeders I used to see were wildlife club's feeders. I guess clubs and G&F still plant "food plots" but I never see feeders anymore because animals become reliant. Not true?

So when some in this thread say landowners "feed the wild game" do they mean the lost grains laying in the field, the natural browse animals find growing in the margins, or what? If so that doesn't appear to be a purposeful act - or one that takes any food/$$ out of the landowner's mouth. Hay yards in winter I suppose is the key exception? And I understand the deer really are eating empty calories because they don't benefit from it like cattle? Of course the rancher is still out the hay.

I don't see much, if any, purposeful feeding of wild game going on with the exception of landowners managing their land for hunting.

I own land BTW. Does that mean I feed the wild game too? If so...

 

[Pinecone]

bullsh#t KurtR you east river people suck

 

[gst]

Confused: Who fed the wild game back when the native peoples relied on them for every meal?

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Who feeds and cares for the wild game out in the National Grasslands?

guywhoisconfused, in your baffling scenarios, was/is there people demanding access to "their resources"?

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gst. just ask him.

See what you started guywhoisconfused.

 

[PrairieGhost]

I know plenty of landowners that don't post because they don't care about hunting and just don't want the additional hassle. The posted signs allow every landowner to decide how they want to use their land. Making everything posted takes this option away from the landowners and forces them to deal with the requests. The present system works just fine. For those that want everything posted up automatically are working for the "Other Side" and want hunting to be more difficult than easier.

Spot on. :;:thumbsup:;:thumbsup:;:thumbsup It's easy to see your an asset to hunting when every year you welcome youth hunters. My hat is off to you sir.

 

[gst]

That's weird because the only feeders I used to see were wildlife club's feeders. I guess clubs and G&F still plant "food plots" but I never see feeders anymore because animals become reliant. Not true?

So when some in this thread say landowners "feed the wild game" do they mean the lost grains laying in the field, the natural browse animals find growing in the margins, or what? If so that doesn't appear to be a purposeful act - or one that takes any food/$$ out of the landowner's mouth. Hay yards in winter I suppose is the key exception? And I understand the deer really are eating empty calories because they don't benefit from it like cattle? Of course the rancher is still out the hay.

I don't see much, if any, purposeful feeding of wild game going on with the exception of landowners managing their land for hunting.

I own land BTW. Does that mean I feed the wild game too? If so...

Indeed you do seem confused guywhomakesupwhatotherssay...........................where has anyone been talking about landowners "feeding" animals?

An original point was made to think rather simply about this thought....... if an animal is someones "resource" in the private world and that "resource" causes damage to someone elses property, many times that person that claims ownership of that "resource" is held responsible.

In the conversation as it relates to this thread on posting of lands , a point was made rather simply I thought, many of the people that have the ability to post lands to control hunting likely are not going to find much amusement in someone demanding the right to hunt these "resources" on their private lands simply because someone claims they are "their resources" when that person is not showing up outside of hunting season with any concern then about their "resources" and what damages they may be causing.

I am sorry if that is difficult to understand guywhoisapparentlyeasilyconfusedorjustwantstoargue, you have my sincere apologies.

 

[guywhofishes]

you are absolutely right gst... been on both side of this, and have given up hunting because of it... there is a genuine sense of entitlement among the a holes who come out in the fall looking for hunting grounds...

this, i believe, is not the hunters who understand the costs associated with the feeding of the wild game (the ones who frequent sites like this), and the cost of nurturing it, but the ones who believe healthy animals are provided to them through their $25 tag (or whatever it costs now days), by the state...

to those who don't know - the STATE does not provide for the game you head to the field to harvest... the farmer does...

the STATE does not control the harvesting of the heard or flock in the particular county or township you hunt for the betterment of the species and future hunting opportunities... farmers do...

we must remember that the STATE is the macro manager of these lands, and the farmer is the restrictive steward of these resources...

thank you to the farmers who manage the resources for this and the next generations, because if left up to the state and (regrettably), hunters, my great grandchildren may have nothing left to hunt...

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apology accepted gst

 

[gst]

I know plenty of landowners that don't post because they don't care about hunting and just don't want the additional hassle. The posted signs allow every landowner to decide how they want to use their land. Making everything posted takes this option away from the landowners and forces them to deal with the requests. The present system works just fine. For those that want everything posted up automatically are working for the "Other Side" and want hunting to be more difficult than easier.

And because it is the way a pendelum works, those that demand access because it is the "publics resource" or their tax dollars pay farm subsidies/CRP ect.... or push other ideals often are the cause of the momentum that swings it that far .

We are all better off as hunters if we can keep those things that push that pendelum to a minimum.

Just my 2 cents.

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Ah, guywhosmilessmuglyandassumesanapologyisrequired, indeed someone was talking about feeding animals. So if you wish to go there and expand on your little queery, please answer a few simple questions to earn your apology.

1.exactly how many acres of food plots do wildlife clubs provide animals in our state

2. how many of the "publics resource" are sustained by them

3. thru the months of may to nov are the plants and grains this public resource consuming " lost grains laying in the field, " or are they a means by which a person earns a livlihood?

4. are the tree rows I plant for the purpose of sheltering my livestock "the natural browse animals find growing in the margins" that you assume is free for "your resource" to consume?

I suppose you can ignore answering these questions or simply realize people are just suggesting a bit of respect and courtousy from all involved is a better answer than where some wish to go.

 

[Kurtr]

bullsh#t KurtR you east river people suck

Haha and to ad to my conundrum it was a west river deer and it might have came off of tribal into private so who owns this thing is very confusing.

 

[guywhofishes]

Haha and to ad to my conundrum it was a west river deer and it might have came off of tribal into private so who owns this thing is very confusing.

again - we HAVE the technology - let's get to work people