Toby

[johnr]

He plead guilty to terrorizing with a gun, I'm confused I thought that was a violent felony. Crazy that we see a deranged individual in possession of loaded weapons can plead to a misdemeanor. Welcome to liberal America
I thought all violent felonies were an automatic loss of gun rights for life

They should be, but his charge was lowered

 

[johnr]

I hope he's rippin the bottle right now.

LMAO

 

[espringers]

5 or 10 at the latest. this one might not be so clear and i don't even have an opinion on it. in ND, if the amount of time or suspended time is 360 days or less, felony level offenses are closed as or "deemed a misdemeanor" as a matter of law. how that applies to the firearms possession/rights restoration statute, i am not sure. i would think we would all agree 10 should apply. but, in "liberal" (i am not sure i agree with that label) ND, i am guessing its actually 5 years under that statute.

the "deemed a misdemeanor" statute reads as follows: A person who is convicted of a felony and sentenced to imprisonment for not more than three hundred sixty days is deemed to have been convicted of a misdemeanor. However, if an order is entered revoking a term of probation that was imposed as part of a sentence, the person is deemed to have been convicted of a felony.

toby or not, these are interesting discussions. another note: a fella can always petition for restoration of rights earlier than the prescribed period. we do a few of those/year. absent agreement by the prosecuting attorney, you aren't likely to see early restoration in a case involving an actual firearm though.

final note: these laws only apply in ND. they don't govern federal rights or rights laws of other states. that's a whole other discussion and legal conundrum.

 

[lunkerslayer]

Imho this is the worst thing an adult can do next to actually attempting murder. Clearly Toby was most likely so intoxicated at the bar he was sitting across the street, he was contemplating hate in his heart. We have seen that hate first hand, right here and on other sites, Toby is the worst kind of alcoholic because he knows that he has a problem and for whatever reason he continues to make the same destructive behaviors. The incident with a gun moat likely was his first felony offense which to me is what saved him, had he been arrested for any sort of domestic incident things could have been worse. But he was drinking and he knew even before he went into the bar he had no business being there, alcohol to me is what should have made this situation for him worse but we think that we need to find an easier softer way when dealing with mental health issues. I absolutely have no empathy for this man because he made a decision rather then go home and sober up, take a loaded weapon into a public area and contemplate hurting people because that's what he felt he had a right to.
I am happy we didn't have a situation like the one a few years back where a new rockford man walked into a bar and killed I believe 2 people. No I believe guns should hold the biggest consequences because of the price law abiding citizens may pay because someone for whatever reason has a mental illness that they decide to fix it by self medication in the form of alcohol.

 

[johnr]

Imho this is the worst thing an adult can do next to actually attempting murder. Clearly Toby was most likely so intoxicated at the bar he was sitting across the street, he was contemplating hate in his heart. We have seen that hate first hand, right here and on other sites, Toby is the worst kind of alcoholic because he knows that he has a problem and for whatever reason he continues to make the same destructive behaviors. The incident with a gun moat likely was his first felony offense which to me is what saved him, had he been arrested for any sort of domestic incident things could have been worse. But he was drinking and he knew even before he went into the bar he had no business being there, alcohol to me is what should have made this situation for him worse but we think that we need to find an easier softer way when dealing with mental health issues. I absolutely have no empathy for this man because he made a decision rather then go home and sober up, take a loaded weapon into a public area and contemplate hurting people because that's what he felt he had a right to.
I am happy we didn't have a situation like the one a few years back where a new rockford man walked into a bar and killed I believe 2 people. No I believe guns should hold the biggest consequences because of the price law abiding citizens may pay because someone for whatever reason has a mental illness that they decide to fix it by self medication in the form of alcohol.

His BAC was at .18, that isn't sober by any means, but not shit faced drunk either, especially for an alcoholic.

I have spent a ton of my life on the road, in my early life I was a traveling salesman, so for several years I had as many hotel nights as I did in my own bed. On the road you spend a lot of time in bars, a lot.
Somehow I never was kicked out of one, asked to leave, or caused any type of problem, other than probably being too loud, and I don't remember any of the other people in the pub getting escorted out ever either.
Side note, I likely could've retired in the next couple years, for the amount of money that went into a few beers/whiskeys, and the black jack table.

Guy has a ton more going on than being a lousy drunk.

 

[lunkerslayer]

His BAC was at .18, that isn't sober by any means, but not shit faced drunk either, especially for an alcoholic.

I have spent a ton of my life on the road, in my early life I was a traveling salesman, so for several years I had as many hotel nights as I did in my own bed. On the road you spend a lot of time in bars, a lot.
Somehow I never was kicked out of one, asked to leave, or caused any type of problem, other than probably being to loud, and I don't remember any of the other people in the pub getting escorted out ever either.
Side note, I likely could've retired in the next couple years, for the amount of money that went into a few beers/whiskeys, and the black jack table.

Guy has a ton more going on than being a lousy drunk.

I guess we will see won't we, ask me this what do you think toby was doing with a loaded weapon on the opposite side of the street? You have yours and I have my opinion and Toby has more issues than just being an alcoholic, So tell me johnr what is the point your trying to make by letting us know about your life's journey? Clearly I posted something when I brought up his drinking problems, do you know how I know he has had drinking problems because he sent me a dm and told me he did. I am not going into details about it because the point is he knew and that's the point I'm making. He knew he had no business being in that bar and you know why because he has a problem with alcohol that's why.

 

[johnr]

I guess we will see won't we, ask me this what do you think toby was doing with a loaded weapon on the opposite side of the street? You have yours and I have my opinion and Toby has more issues than just being an alcoholic, So tell me johnr what is the point your trying to make by letting us know about your life's journey? Clearly I posted something when I brought up his drinking problems, do you know how I know he has had drinking problems because he sent me a dm and told me he did. I am not going into details about it because the point is he knew and that's the point I'm making. He knew he had no business being in that bar and you know why because he has a problem with alcohol that's why.

Lunk,

You didn't have to post that he had drinking problems, we all saw his train wreck first hand, his drinking and typing was epic.

I just stated my little story as I have been in the bar scene probably more than most, and all over the state of ND, and large parts of SD. I was young and making big bucks for those olden days when money was worth so much more. I have never seen anyone kicked out of a bar in all of that.
So if this bar scooted him out, he had to be a real jack ass. That was my point. He has a lot more than loving the bottle going on. That was my only point, I don't know the guy, I don't really have anymore than just that.

Guy loads up his guns and sits outside the bar he was kicked out of... damn lucky the cops got involved when they did.

Again, point of my neat little story was I feel he had more than booze getting him all fired up.

 

[lunkerslayer]

Lunk,

You didn't have to post that he had drinking problems, we all saw his train wreck first hand, his drinking and typing was epic.

I just stated my little story as I have been in the bar scene probably more than most, and all over the state of ND, and large parts of SD. I was young and making big bucks for those olden days when money was worth so much more. I have never seen anyone kicked out of a bar in all of that.
So if this bar scooted him out, he had to be a real jack ass. That was my point. He has a lot more than loving the bottle going on. That was my only point, I don't know the guy, I don't really have anymore than just that.

Guy loads up his guns and sits outside the bar he was kicked out of... damn lucky the cops got involved when they did.

Again, point of my neat little story was I feel he had more than booze getting him all fired up.

Ok thanks for the clarification johnr, i see what you meant when you said .18. This thread was about letting him come here and post articles about outdoors stuff, we all we're willing to cast aside our feelings and give him another chance to contribute to society. I hope for the sake of his loved ones that he was only looking for help thar night and best way to get it is to force his hand. It's not my place to tell another person's story but alcohol and firearms is what i would call a trigger for me. I truly hope Toby takes this gift that he has been given and becomes a great man a real pillar of society.

 

[Kurtr]

Lunk,

You didn't have to post that he had drinking problems, we all saw his train wreck first hand, his drinking and typing was epic.

I just stated my little story as I have been in the bar scene probably more than most, and all over the state of ND, and large parts of SD. I was young and making big bucks for those olden days when money was worth so much more. I have never seen anyone kicked out of a bar in all of that.
So if this bar scooted him out, he had to be a real jack ass. That was my point. He has a lot more than loving the bottle going on. That was my only point, I don't know the guy, I don't really have anymore than just that.

Guy loads up his guns and sits outside the bar he was kicked out of... damn lucky the cops got involved when they did.

Again, point of my neat little story was I feel he had more than booze getting him all fired up.

Shit I bartended for 3 years and kicked a shit ton of people out. Back in the days of going hard it wasn’t odd to see people kicked out of bars every weekend . From Minot to Lincoln Nebraska and every where in between.

 

[db-2]

I was never kick out just ask to leave for the good of the cause. But the asking was by a younger lady in my younger years.
Buddy had a sign on him at the bar that he was not allow in. Just good times or maybe good memories and not such good times at the moment. But he held his own. In time i learn not to sit by him.
So, is he in or out? db

 

[lunkerslayer]

Shit I bartended for 3 years and kicked a shit ton of people out. Back in the days of going hard it wasn’t odd to see people kicked out of bars every weekend . From Minot to Lincoln Nebraska and every where in between.

There's 2 problems in today's world,.they both actually coincide in the same issues. The first is people have absolutely no respect for life, and 2 they don't have faith in God. We are living in the end of days when brothers are willing to destroy brothers without repercussions of man's law or God's. I had a friend who was bouncer at the El roco Grand Forks, he should have fought in the tough man competition but it was way before that time. He absolutely enjoyed knocking heads and was good at it. Basers and college kids were the ones who started problems because believe it or not, the owner made it mandatory that those who were for whatever reason couldnt handle their alcohol or being unruly with other patrons were cut off or asked to leave with zero tolerance for trouble. Now El roco is no more.

Perhaps that is the reason why the world is the way it is because men aren't allowed to settle disputes with their fist instead of a gun. When i went to elementary school fighting wasn't getting kicked out, parents weren't even called in back then, you sat in the principals office for the whole week during recess, writings the same thing over and over again. That was enough for me and if it wasn't more of the same, strange thing is I still have shitty hand writing. And if you disrespected your teachers or authority figures you got it even worse at home.
We are at the end of days

 

[snow2]

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Toby is the catalyst that started this site and some dude that cost the guy that owns Fishing Buddy a lot of money.... Also he pissed of a lot of the members of both these sites in the process!

Personally I would like to see a detailed written explanation for his "douche-baggery" and maybe even an apology. ;:;ban much?

Interesting lycan,did this toby shake down tim sandstrom on fbo? Timmers sure disappeared, married,kids,seeya ,timmers always had something positive to say,input.

 

[eyexer]

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Interesting lycan,did this toby shake down tim sandstrom on fbo? Timmers sure disappeared, married,kids,seeya ,timmers always had something positive to say,input.

Tim sold it first.

 

[CatDaddy]

I hope he's rippin the bottle right now.

Well, I kinda hope the opposite. I'm not one to root for the demise of others, we all have our demons. Best case scenario is he gets the help he needs and is no longer a threat to the rest of us.

 

[shorthairsrus]

Shit I bartended for 3 years and kicked a shit ton of people out. Back in the days of going hard it wasn’t odd to see people kicked out of bars every weekend . From Minot to Lincoln Nebraska and every where in between.

Shit I bartended for 3 years and kicked a shit ton of people out. Back in the days of going hard it wasn’t odd to see people kicked out of bars every weekend . From Minot to Lincoln Nebraska and every where in between.

My wife was kicked out for to many tekilla shots at borrowed bucks. I drug her like a doe to my truck. A couple years ago she was sitting on the bar and threw a shot glass -- the bartender looked at me and i knew exactly what to do otherwise that one would of counted too. If you knew my wife you would say no way.

 

[shorthairsrus]

Where do you go with stuff like this? How can the bartender be responsible for every damn thing. I am sure its a ramp up issue in which it was to late by the time it all hit her. She could of been drinking before she hit the bar. Took a half bottle of jack and then walked in the bar had a couple and then Jack said hello. Calll detox on everyone they kick out then get looked at like they are overserving everyone.

The Fargo City Commission has turned down an appeal by the Windbreak over a liquor license violation.

The bar, on I-29 and 32nd Avenue S., will have to pay a $500 penalty.

Police say a 23-year-old woman crashed her car into a pole and was charged with DUI after leaving the bar last July. Staff and a manager are accused of over-serving the woman. She was removed by security at 1 a.m. and was checked on in her car.

The crash took place about an hour later. Her blood alcohol level was .29, three times above the legal limit for driving. It was the first violation for the Windbreak, but City Commissioner Dave Piepkorn believes the bar is on its way to losing its liquor license.

The Windbreak will be the focus of the liquor control board again during a special meeting on Thursday for another case of serving an obviously intoxicated person.

 

[Captain Ahab]

He should go back to Moon Lake to beat his ex-wife’s state record catfish and totally redeem himself.