Well this is going to get interesting

[ndlongshot]

Out of curiousity Davy, please define"greedy".

Share the parameters of the term if you would.

Man that word must really get your hackles up.

"Here we go, again" :;:deadhorse

 

[SDMF]

You're Flounder walking up to the poker table and asking if the guys are playing cards.

I see someone has graduated with a Bachelor's in Derision. Well Done!!!!!

 

[PrairieGhost]

That confusion is caused from trust, I don't have much trust anymore but I sure see a lot of greed .

Ya, I was saying "confusing" with tongue in cheek. If I understand it correctly an oil company doesn't pay to import a barrel of oil if they had to pay the country of origin a tax to export it. On the other hand I wonder if they pay a tax here if they have to pay an import tax to the country shipped to? I read years ago that the oil industry saves 18 billion a year with this little tax manipulation. I can see why they do it, but that loophole should not exist. The tax code should be written to the benefit of the United States, not to the benefit of the oil company. I would guess there is a trail of lobbyists and money leading to this setup. Much like Hillary selling influence for money in the Clinton Foundation, just by republicans instead of democrats. They should all be cell mates.
The villain isn't the oil company that operates for the most profit, the villians are the politicians who sell us out for personal profit. Most problems can be traced back to greed. Greed for money, power, fame, land etc.

 

[Colt45]

Remember, war is healthy, always has been. It creates a booming economy, an economy where everybody loses. War on coal, war on money and Wall Street, war on oil, war on wealthy people, war on pipelines, war on white lives, war on the cops, war on Christians, war on freedom of religion, war on guns, war on Christmas, war on public land, it just doesn't matter as long as it makes money and disrupts, even if everybody loses. It's all good!

 

[Allen]

It has always confused me when a politician says we have to become energy self sufficient, then that same politician approves of selling our oil to another country.

Oil, like every single other commodity comes in a near endless quantity of quality. Some refineries have been designed to convert light sweet crude (like the Bakken crude) into gasoline and diesel fuel, while others have been optimized to convert heavy crude into tar and asphalt. Bottom line here is that you would probably rather pay for shipping of crude to you that fits with your business plan than to convert your refinery into something that you have no room in the market for more.

Another "export" of American crude can come in the form of sending crude down to Mexican ports where it can be loaded onto tankers headed for the U.S. east coast. Technically, it's being exported to Mexico first. Same thing with using Canadian pipelines or trains to ship American crude to the east or west coast refineries.

Bottom line is that the U.S. is still a net importer of crude oil, before we worry so much about restricting free trade on the one commodity, let's try to simply use what we have efficiently.

Personally, I'd love for the U.S. to have a neutral balance sheet on energy imports/exports. But restricting exports is just titty sprinkling stupid.

 

[dean nelson]

What I want to know is where are Hoeven, Heidi, and Cramer on this issue? Seems like they are hiding out in Washington hoping this whole thing blows over. I suspect Heidi is not for the pipeline as she is a demo and needs those native votes to even have a chance at tge ballot box. To my knowledge, none of them have stepped up and supported the pipeline, maybe they have and I missed it, but if they did it was probably just a sound bite or talking point. We here in ND are represented, like usual, with people who have no backbone and are more interested in getting re-elected than taking a stand or position on a controversial matter such as the pipeline. Again, I call for term limits on Congress, maybe if they didn't have a re-election to worry about they would actually stand for something.

I don't think you will hear much from heidi this is a loose loose for her and the best thing she can do is try to keep her head down and position neutral and ambiguous at best.

http://m.bismarcktribune.com/news/s...cle_26de3d04-1232-56ba-8c89-66acddf3c5cc.html

 

[nxtgeneration]

Now I see that the picture of the little girl that was floating around that was supposedly bitten in the face by one of the security dogs is actually a picture that was in the new york post in 2012.

 

[gst]

Man that word must really get your hackles up.

"Here we go, again" :;:deadhorse

"hackles up".........naw just curious.

It is a word bantered about by the likes of Sanders and Hillary so
I am just curious what a conservative thinks greedy is.

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I don't think you will hear much from heidi this is a loose loose for her and the best thing she can do is try to keep her head down and position neutral and ambiguous at best.

http://m.bismarcktribune.com/news/s...cle_26de3d04-1232-56ba-8c89-66acddf3c5cc.html

i wonder if she has told her brother to shut the hell up yet?

 

[guywhofishes]

"hackles up".........naw just curious.

It is a word bantered about by the likes of Sanders and Hillary so
I am just curious what a conservative thinks greedy is.

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i wonder if she has told her brother to shut the hell up yet?

putting profit before principle

 

[gst]

Ya, I was saying "confusing" with tongue in cheek. If I understand it correctly an oil company doesn't pay to import a barrel of oil if they had to pay the country of origin a tax to export it. On the other hand I wonder if they pay a tax here if they have to pay an import tax to the country shipped to? I read years ago that the oil industry saves 18 billion a year with this little tax manipulation. I can see why they do it, but that loophole should not exist. The tax code should be written to the benefit of the United States, not to the benefit of the oil company. I would guess there is a trail of lobbyists and money leading to this setup. Much like Hillary selling influence for money in the Clinton Foundation, just by republicans instead of democrats. They should all be cell mates.
The villain isn't the oil company that operates for the most profit, the villians are the politicians who sell us out for personal profit. Most problems can be traced back to greed. Greed for money, power, fame, land etc.

Would that greed for power include those wanting pass initiated measures to dictate how others make a living according to their ideals?

The trouble with bantering about accusations such as "greed" one better look in the mirror first.

Everyone has their own idea of what "greed" is.

 

[dean nelson]

Would that greed for power include those wanting pass initiated measures to dictate how others make a living according to their ideals?

The trouble with bantering about accusations such as "greed" one better look in the mirror first.

Everyone has their own idea of what "greed" is.

And we're off!;:;popcorn

 

[eyexer]

One thing is for certain the natives have set white/native relations back about 100 years with this. Their real intent is to get back at the white man. This has nothing to do with a pipeline/water/grave sites, etc.

 

[gst]

"We're off"??

Mr. Nelson you took "off" at the start of this thread as the authoritarian on this subject, I am merely asking a question or two out of curiousity.

There has been much talk of the "hippies" and such that are coming to our state to protest. I am just curious if there those here with ideals not that far removed from the protesters.

these protesters are demanding peoples livlihoods be impacted because of THEIR agendas and ideals concerning water and land and pipelines and such.

They are painted as radicals and malcontents

Yet some of the people posting here have demanded other impacts on water and wetlands and peoples livlihoods be curtailed to meet THEIR agendas and demands.

How are they so different? Is one "cause" more just or righteous than the other?

The trouble here is when people start making accusations and throwing words like "greed" ect.... around, common sense goes out the window.

So no need for anyone to start their engines here, just trying to ease my curiousity a bit and maybe get people to think a bit.

 

[johnr]

This is a Fondo part Mike

 

[gst]

putting profit before priciple

That is a pretty good answer guy.

So selling an ice cream cone to a fat kid knowing it will make him fatter knowing the health risks he may face is greedy? (think banning large soda sales) Selling a bottle of water to someone that is thirsty is greedy?

I tend to agree with your answer, but the trouble lies in what "principles" people have.

To the avowed Socialist like Sanders his "principles" are likely different than yours or mine.

I guess before I start bantering about an accusation such as someone being "greedy", I want to be able to show EXACTLY why they would be considered such.

If I invest my monies in an oil company for a return, I guess while supporting the oil companies philanthripist actions I still want to make a substantial profit on my investment.

Perhaps to many in this nation that makes me "greedy".

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I love the whole situation. The ACOE was praising how easy it would be to work with the Tribe in context of the land transfer. The ACOE Colonel told me face to face I should actually thank the Corp. I laughed to his face and said I think you have a skewed understanding.

Now they see it first hand. The Tribe never even filed the injunction relating to potential environmental impacts. They filed because saw opportunity to invade private property jurisdiction. Believe me when I say reading between the lines is all about obtaining control by nanipulating people to believe they have cultural say in every acre of land because they lived in the 1800s and before hence someone could be buried somewhere or a rock could be theirs. That's what this was about.

Any of you read the judge ruling? I have, a complete embarrassment if a protester had a brain. Their protests are completely unfounded.

http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/DA+Pipeline+Decision.pdf

Heidi has delicate ice to navigate because she is pushing hard for transfer of lands to Standing Rock. Now with this, she has to be very careful. Hoeven? Why would he take his head out into the line of fire when can do work behind the scenes.

And yes, this is a total over reach of this President. This is who they want to be. Controllers of all. And some of you sheep keep voting these people in. Yuck.

They are taking a play from the govts play book.

If a rain puddle sits on your land, we are going to take control of it.

If a endangered species MAY appear on your land we are going to take control of it.

If a river banks shifts over the years impacting your land we are going to take control over it.

If a ancient warrior maybe died in battle on your ground, we are going to take control of it.

It is about the expansion of the Socialist ideals favored by most of these protester types.

Those ones that have a much more liberal principle of "greed" than even those on here.

When was the last time an avowed Socialist candidate got the support Sanders did?

If he didn;t run into crooked Hillary and her political assasination machine he may have been this nations Democratic candidate.

There is a bigger picture and the fools protesting here are nothing more than useful idiots.

 

[Bed Wetter]

While I don't watch a lot of TV, I am really looking forward to tuning in Wednesday night.

https://youtu.be/U-zJL9JuOLQ

 

[snow]

Your damn right eyexer,our fight here in Mn is much bigger than folks realize,this native BS is nation wide,if you try to stop it,your labeled a racist.

 

[tikkalover]

Lots of updates on this on the KFYR web page.

 

[Duckslayer100]

And we're off!;:;popcorn

Only took 31 pages! Now this sucker will hit 50, easy.

 

[dean nelson]

Only took 31 pages! Now this sucker will hit 50, easy.

I love how he thought my post was about what he posted instead of who it was posted too!:;:cheers