Trespass Bill Part 2

[gst]

Ya ya if your from South Dakota your crap don't stink. Good for you. Do you know you have so much more public land that it's not even comparable? On other forms I see there are people from the Peoples Republic of Minnesota telling us this is ok also.

Not only do they want more, they take steps to make sure you get nothing. There is an old country song that reminds me of some of these farmers. I don't know if I can remember it perfectly it is something like:


This trespass bill is aimed at getting more and giving less. I don't think anyone would begrudge them if many of them were not constantly trying to crap on us. The more we support them the more they expect and the less they appreciate it. No satisfying some people.

Here is something I don't understand. Some guys on here say they are not for the bill, but constantly point out why the bill came up and why it's needed. I suspect they tell us one thing, but will call and support it. They just don't want us to know that. If this was not so there wouldn't be this debate.

Plains why be so coy? Wny not just say who you are talking about? "some guys"...........

It's almost as if you think by not naming someone it glosses over and excuses your same tired old "hate speech" of "crapping on us"..

 

[Kurtr]

Oh and the last 11 years i have rifle hunted both sides of the river with any whitetail or any deer tag in my pocket with the rifle. We wont count the muzzle loader and my failed attempt at bow hunting. But i am breaking out the struggle stick (recurve) to even add in my muley chasing fun. Mostly on all public land this is fun

 

[gst]

How many hunters that have stopped to ask with buck tags have you let on your land in the last 5 years? Family and friends don't count..

Why does it matter what kind of tag they have?

Why should family and friends not count?

Why does it matter if he let anyone on?

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Life is just not very simple as it once was but I assume that comes with age. There was a time my main concern was finding a bootlegger for beer and who I would end up that night with, now there are other concerns.

We have created a lot of dependents on the government over the years. Putting the natives on reservation, half our population on food stamps and starting subsidies for farms back in I assume in the 1920 or 1930.

Food is the basics of society and we need to protect that industry. At the same time it appears that we have no need to protect the local business from going out of business(unless there a big corporation). I have no problem with some of my tax dollars going to provide me with what is call cheap food. I do appreciate the food they raise. Maybe if the farmer/rancher would just do a better job of showing their appreciation to me for some of my tax dollars going there way.

Farming /ranching is a way of life. The cow/calf man is a prime example of that. They are at the bottom of the totem pole with little subsidies. I do feel for them but it is there choice in life. All they ask for is a horse, a dog, a pickup in four different colors and a wife working in town. God bless them for the beef they give me to eat. db

db not far off on the rancher deal, after a couple good years I do have a pickup that is one color. Most would rather their wife not have to work i town and help them open gates at home.


I would just as soon there were No tax dollars coming ags way....because it is why I would much rather ranch than farm.but I have NO problem showing my appreciation to people who are not arrogant dickheads or fools that make claims they can not show ot be true.

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Listening to What's on your Mind about this bill right now.

The simple reality is those "subsidies" that some people seem so preoccupied with rarely if ever stay in the farmers pockets or account. Everyone that farmer does business with knows what programs are out there and run break even on crops and price their products accordingly.

Take away ALL govt program payments and watch how inputs are adjusted accordingly to keep the producer buying them.

So for those preoccupied with the payments answer this, who is actually ending up receiving these subsidies? Just the farmer or far more people?

But hey continue to divide with fools rhetoric petty claims

 

[Trip McNeely]

Wow after reading most of this crap makes me want a lot of you guys posting to come and hang out for a day at my farm. You guys are correct about a certain percent of farmers (2-5%) use the system, just like any other business out there. The rest of us work hard for what we have, and don't get nor take free hand outs everywhere we turn like you guys think. And off road desiel- construction, commercial, agriculture, anyone who owns a bobcat. Means it's not driven on roads thus you don't pay road taxes. Sure glad I don't know any of your names or faces because if you ever came to ask permission on my land you'd get a swift kick in the butt.... this is the problem a lot. Like we live in different worlds. You hate us but yet you want to hunt on our land. I see most of the anger must be a long going thing but I garantee most farmers would look at these posts and get pretty pissed off on the way you guys think our lives go... o and to the prevent plant comment..... you go ahead and think of it this way. You put in half a year planning to put a crop in and get to a spring that you can't even walk across your land. Take 2011 for example. Good average was 220$ and acre for pp. 50$ rent, and you had to put about 50$ into keeping that land fit for the next year. Spraying cultivating etc. so your at 120$. Wheat was around 12$. So if you could have gotten in you could have made off a 50bu crop 600$. And expenses were right around 280 including everything. I consider that year a disaster. Thank god we had pp or there would have been failures everywhere. Do you have business insurance. We weren't making more then planting but it was insurance against losing the farm....

please dont take my comments as anti-farming or hatred of farmers. i have farmers in my family and grew up in a farm community. i get it i really do. what bother me is the 2-5-15?% who hammer the system. guys like gst who bitch and moan how much they pay in tax then turn around and milk the taxpayers. i have alot of respect for those who
work the land but i cannot stand a farmer who whines. lets be honest farming today can be a pretty damn lucrative deal. yes it has its challenges. no it isnt easy. most are humble guys who work damn hard to make it. but the 10 percent who screw the system, whine about it then turn around and laugh about how they screwed the system. those make farmers look bad, just like how the few dipshit hunters make us all look bad........ and as far as pp. it may be a good deal in your neck of the woods but theres a few places in nd where pp is the norm not exception. some of them have it figured out.

 

[gst]

p guys like gst who bitch and moan how much they pay in tax then turn around and milk the taxpayers.

Hey
trip, show where I whine in how much I pay in taxes. Eye wassimply insseently whining about how good a deal farmers get for their homes being exempt so I called him on it.

If you remember I was against doing away with our current property tax system with the measure becasue it was poorly written. If I was bitching and moaning about how much we pay, why would I take that position.

Nice try, but a swing and a miss with that one.

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Oh and for the record I am a poor milker as there are a number of govt programs I could be filling the milk pail with I do not enroll in.

strike 2.

 

[eyexer]

If it is soley about a place to live I am certainly willing to pay my fair share on the home I live in and do away with tax on production ag lands.


is there not a separate income tax that taxes the "value" the ag property generates?

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The "point" here obi goes waaaaay back when we were discussing doing away with the property tax altogether and the comments eye made in that discussion.

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eye

you just can;t help yourself posting shit that is not true. I have only given one negative rep on this site when someone posted an outright lie.

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eye how much does Menards pay to my school in Mohall?

When this school decides to upgrade a 80 year old shop how much does Menards get whacked on the mill increase?

You do know there is education outside the big city you live in right?

It appears you are now whining cause your food is not cheap enough?? Go to other countries and shop.

considering there are six menards stores in ND and they pay a horrendous amount of taxes, and the state aid is over 9K per student now, they probably pay a lot. Probably more than you do. I don't live in the city

 

[gst]

eye I asked you to tell me how much Menards pays when our school updates our shop and the county mill is increased given there is no Menards in our county?

Perhaps they do pay, I do not know so why not tell us?

So do you still want to swap total property tax liabilities or not eye.

 

[Obi-Wan]

Why does it matter to you? I did not ask for or need your comments on this question

Why does it matter what kind of tag they have?

Why should family and friends not count?

Why does it matter if he let anyone on?
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db not far off on the rancher deal, after a couple good years I do have a pickup that is one color. Most would rather their wife not have to work i town and help them open gates at home.


I would just as soon there were No tax dollars coming ags way....because it is why I would much rather ranch than farm.but I have NO problem showing my appreciation to people who are not arrogant dickheads or fools that make claims they can not show ot be true.

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Listening to What's on your Mind about this bill right now.

The simple reality is those "subsidies" that some people seem so preoccupied with rarely if ever stay in the farmers pockets or account. Everyone that farmer does business with knows what programs are out there and run break even on crops and price their products accordingly.

Take away ALL govt program payments and watch how inputs are adjusted accordingly to keep the producer buying them.

So for those preoccupied with the payments answer this, who is actually ending up receiving these subsidies? Just the farmer or far more people?

But hey continue to divide with fools rhetoric petty claims

 

[You]

If all that was truly going to happen would it have not happened down here? Rifle tags both east and west river go to the lake and don't see another boat and public land that I can't hunt in a year. But maybe since we are the superior Dakota it does not affect us like that . This is fun.

Our state doesn't have the public land to support this.

 

[slyfish77]

I think it is good the way it is. If I have too many deer in certain areas or where we have grain bags, I don't post. If it's not broke don't fix it.

 

[PrairieGhost]

I think I just got cross eyed trying to read that.

 

[deleted member]

Wow... Super productive discussion still going on I see.

 

[Kurtr]

Out state doesn't have the public land to support this.

how many more acres does SD have compared to ND last time i looked i thought it was comparable. Did You go testify. Hi i am you and i am against the bill. You guys need to ask you how you feels about this bill if you want you's vote again. Thank you

 

[johnr]

Its taco Tuesday bitches, and guess what, taco johns pays taxes toooooo

 

[Kurtr]

And the tax paid on the double up of toilet paper you need in three hours should count for some thing

 

[You]

how many more acres does SD have compared to ND last time i looked i thought it was comparable. Did You go testify. Hi i am you and i am against the bill. You guys need to ask you how you feels about this bill if you want you's vote again. Thank you

SD has about 5 million acres available to the public and ND has a little over 3.5 million, of which 1 million or so are the Little Missouri National Grasslands FWIW.

So you have right around 40% more publically-accessible land than we do. That is not comparable Kurtr.

Not sure how me testifying has anything to do with the debate we have going on here, but I understand that question has now become some sort of commitment/credibility test or some such as of recently???

I haven't testified, but some of my word-for-word talking points were heard on the radio today out of the mouth of one of my reps. I emailed my 3 and received responses.

 

[eyexer]

eye I asked you to tell me how much Menards pays when our school updates our shop and the county mill is increased given there is no Menards in our county?

Perhaps they do pay, I do not know so why not tell us?

So do you still want to swap total property tax liabilities or not eye.

I said sure but along with that I get the profits. You love comparing apples to grapes. But your the best at it. You'll have to call the state and ask how much Menards contributes to the Mohall schools. The rest of the state pays far more to your school than the property taxes collected in your district.

 

[Kurtr]

SD has about 5 million acres available to the public and ND has a little over 3.5 million, of which 1 million or so are the Little Missouri National Grasslands FWIW.

So you have right around 40% more publically-accessible land than we do. That is not comparable.

Not sure how me testifying has anything to do with the debate we have going on here, but I understand that question has now become some sort of commitment test or some such as of recently???

I haven't testified, but some of my word-for-word talking points were heard on the radio today out of the mouth of one of my reps. I emailed my 3 and received responses.

I guess we are better. Well thats good that you got call yous rep and say what you wanted and they put what you said into the talking points good for you. Now you should feel good about what you has done for nd sportsman you are awesome you. Dont get mad i am just funin with you ok you

 

[Nanky]

All I'm going to say is that since moving to SD from ND, it has really made me appreicate how good I had it in ND . . . don't allow it to be changed!

 

[You]

I guess we are better. Well thats good that you got call yous rep and say what you wanted and they put what you said into the talking points good for you. Now you should feel good about what you has done for nd sportsman you are awesome you. Dont get mad i am just funin with you ok you

I'm not mad. Sorry if my tone makes it seem that way. At this point though, I do find it mildly annoying that you attempt to sell (for whatever reason) that it works 'just fine' in SD so it'll work 'just fine' in ND.

As the numbers indicate, the two are not comparable.

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All I'm going to say is that since moving to SD from ND, it has really made me appreicate how good I had it in ND . . . don't allow it to be changed!

Amen