Trespass Bill Part 2

[Kurtr]

Well then state facts and not the made up bullshit. It seems most from the agg side are against this bill but keep kicking them in the nuts that might change out of spite. Karma is a bitch and she will pay you back.

 

[PrairieGhost]

Kurt it's tit for tat they want to complain about hunters fine, but they are going to get a bad farmer example back. Why you may ask? Simple until they understand that there are good and bad people on both sides and punishing all of us for the few they need reminding of their own short comings. Most have big boy pants and can understand. Some might be offended if they like silk and long walks on the beach.

 

[gst]

Trip there is perhaps only one guy here who doesn't know why you rarely see a farmer at a gas station. A couple years ago I actually seen a grain truck at the gas station. Power was out to his pumps on the farm or something like that. I nearly sold the guy my AR15 because he made me a really good offer. Then one of these haters accused me of selling guns illegally out of my trunk in back alleys. Up to that point I thought he was a second amendment supporter.

Plains our fuel supplier that we have done business with for over 50 years is amazing, they actually deliver clear fuel right to the farm and put it in a tank for us.

Always with the stories.............at least this fella didn;t draw down on you with his .44

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The farm vehicles and gas reminded me of it. It's simply an example of the people we debate are not always what we think..

And sometimes they are EXACTLY what we think.

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You protect gst enough I suppose you don't need an outfitter.

I am grateful for kurts "protection" I do not think I would feel safe posting on this site without it

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Why do these people never acknowledge there are some bad landowners rather than accuse us of being ag haters?.

plains who exactly is doing this

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Kurt it's tit for tat they want to complain about hunters fine, but they are going to get a bad farmer example back. Why you may ask?

plains would you tell us exactly why YOU think no one remains posting over on Nodak Outdoors where you are the moderator?


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Crap on someone and expect a kiss isn't reality. The protesters will be gone shortly, but we hunters will be burdened with the landowner get even scheme forever. I guess they just look at us as collateral damage. Crap on 50,000 permanent citizens of this state to get even with 200 wondering idiots. How would they feel if an anti agriculture bill passed just to get even with a dozen bad farmers?

Plains you always talk of farmers "crapping" on sportsmen. Now you mention anti ag bills. Here is a which came first question.

Have "sportsmen" groups like DU ever "crapped" on agriculture? Have they ever written "anti ag" bills? Do some of those people forming this org (and others like it) ever end up out in the country hunting demanding the right to do so because it is "their" ducks they are hunting?

So who is "crapping" on who first plainsman?

Why do you always try to create hatred and problems rather than find solutions plains?

Part of the solution to this issue is finding and admitting and dealing with why it keeps coming back in the legislature every few years. I have been pretty consistant about that in these discussions.

So plains I'll ask a simple question, if ag producers clicked on this site and read YOUR comments, would they have more inclination to support this bill or oppose it?

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plains I know the likelihood of you answering these questions is very small, but at least take a step back and give them some thought. Especially the one about why you think there is no one left posting on Nodak Outdoors. If more sportsmen in our state support these ideals you spout, one would think the site you moderate and post more than anyone else on would be flooded with their comments.

Perhaps sportsmen simply tired of your divisive rhetoric and fools accusations and as such the site is dying a slow, painful death.

 

[NDSportsman]

The point of continuing the little property tax/subsidy/farmershaveittoogood dialogue is to simply show the attitude of a handful of folks that often are the casue of someone supporting this bill.

The problem is this bill won;t change those attitudes nor the actions of some of those that have them. This may get defeated this time around again which I hope it does, but unless people admit to why it keeps coming back.......it will keep coming back.

This is a hunting site, yet when a handful of people start bashing ag for no real reason, there is not that many people on this sportsmen site that tell them to knock it off because it does not help anything.

Good factual discussions are one thing the typical rhetoric we see on these sites is another

It is not an anti hunter bill, it is an anti asshole bill.

If this bill ever does pass the ag bashing will only get worse. There will be a concerted effort to eliminate subsidies, gratis tags, etc. Unfortunately it will create way more assholes then we have now!

 

[Kurtr]

Kurt it's tit for tat they want to complain about hunters fine, but they are going to get a bad farmer example back. Why you may ask? Simple until they understand that there are good and bad people on both sides and punishing all of us for the few they need reminding of their own short comings. Most have big boy pants and can understand. Some might be offended if they like silk and long walks on the beach.

you have to get a clue you are not going to win that fight i dont like george st pierre but he would kick my ass. Going up against the most powerfull organization in the state is a fight that wont be won. Having them have your back is going to up the odds of winning. The tit for tat thing is akin to being in 2nd grade and yelling well he did it to com on its time to learn that does not work. You can say we will do this or that but you wont beat them as there are not enough people on your side or think that way. Who specifically in ag on here has stated they are for this bill?

 

[gst]

ya I guess people will choose how they spend their time.....having conversations with the people you recreate on their lands or bashing and restricting them with bills and regs.

I have faith in the states sportsmen to realize those that will call for a "tit for tat" are by far the minority.

MOST sportsmen here understand the need for a good relationship and MST landowners appreciate that.

One can look to the lack of support the DU initiated measure got and realize that most of these two groups are on the same page despite what people like plainsman try to claim.

So why does he distract from that?

Why does he turn every thread with a good discussion into this?

Why not just have a good discussion about why this is bring brought up and how we can fix it to keep it from coming back?

 

[PrairieGhost]

Who specifically in ag on here has stated they are for this bill?

I don't know, did someone say that?

 

[db-2]

I did post by going to USDA subsidy date base to get what whoever received in government payments.
But it did state that 16% of the farmers in the state received no payments.
The BIA did receive 25.2 million in payments along with the tribe in Turtle Mt getting $100,550, Sprit Lake tribe getting $3.15 million and Fort Yates tribe of $874,447. So of the 16.9 billion over ten years not all goes to farmers from USDA.
There is always more to the story and I am sure I am missing something or got something wrong here. db

 

[Kurtr]

I don't know, did someone say that?

you keep saying farmers or agg so who has came out for this bill that is a farmer or in agg here. It seems there is a fight but it is being fought with the wrong people. Lots of waisted energy when talking to the right people might get some thing done. Look at 621 instead of a bunch of finger pointing and bullshit people got with it made there voice heard in a manner that the politician listened. Instead of splitting if you would focus on rally and uniting groups you might accomplish something.

 

[PrairieGhost]

you keep saying farmers or agg so who has came out for this bill that is a farmer or in agg here.

I don't know if any have, but the bill originates with agriculture asking for it. I think the only reason this thread has gone so long is because some who say they are against it keep talking about bad hunters. Then out of state people try convince us everything is peachy.

 

[gst]

I don't know if any have, but the bill originates with agriculture asking for it. I think the only reason this thread has gone so long is because some who say they are against it keep talking about bad hunters. Then out of state people try convince us everything is peachy.

So everyone else is why this thread is where it is at? Oooookay then.

Plains this was the 2nd attempt on this topic at actually finding a solution to why this bill keeps popping up every few years.

What have you added to that end?

 

[PrairieGhost]

The solution gst is mutual respect. When legislators compare us to DAPL protestors that's not very respectful. We hear your stories about people shooting deer on your fathers door step. We all know there are problem people. I have not seen anyone offer any solution. The only solution I see is people finally coming to the conclusion that most on both sides are good people and we can't dump on each other to punish a few. This is much like the gun laws he liberals want to pile on us. More laws do no good. I think we have a small minority that have used the protestors to get some traction.

 

[db-2]

If one would let me come up with the solution it will be done in the next sentence.

NO, next subject db

 

[gst]

plains and how have you demonstrated this "mutual respect" on these sites over the years? "Rip, Rape and Run" "Hands in the tax payer pockets" "greedy ranchers" wild accusations you do not prove as truth ect..... but I suppose those comments were made in a "respectful manner"?

Once again MOST people involved in the dynamic of hunting are good people and share respect when it is earned. So that is a easy out answer to a slightly more difficult question.

there are a couple parts to why this bill keeps popping up.

1. orgs like DU, the Sierra Club, NWF, The Natural Resources group here in our state ect... keep legislating their agendas instead of working WITH ag. They are just like plainsman, as long as ag does what they want...they support ag.

What people like plains won;t admit is these groups are legislating rules imposing on how people make a living to protect how they recreate. I don;t care what profession you are in, if you had to deal with people impacting how you provide for your family so their recreation opportunites can be better it would impact how you view those people in those orgs

Unfortunately the hunter bears the brunt of the back lash against these orgs and their agendas when their members are out in the country setting decoys with their stickers in the back window.

It was refreshing to see so many sportsmen here in our state understanding this and voting down the DU measure a couple years back. But if one recalls the conversation on these sites, the same loud voices were making the same accusations and claims in a less than "respectful" manner.

Those people might be surprised if they knew how many farmers check out those threads without ever posting in them. This site for a while seemed to be missing that, but eventually it made it's way here.

Maybe this would be a good time to ask this question again.

plains would you tell us exactly why YOU think no one remains posting over on Nodak Outdoors where you are the moderator?

2. the "Jackass" portion of this bill. My offer of a solution, leave the laws the same and increase the penalties for Trespass to actually make the jackass stop and think if that big buck is really worth it. I just read where hunting privileges can be suspended for one year so what would it take??

 

[Kurtr]

If one would let me come up with the solution it will be done in the next sentence.

NO, next subject db

Why not increase penalty and lose of license if hunting. Seems simple enough. Burying head in sand is not a solution

 

[Obi-Wan]

Probably won't help this thread on bit but I recently had a meeting which delt with the bills on the floor right now. The trespass bill was one which was throughly talked about. I'm against it and voiced my concern even though that in which I am a part of supports the bill. It was explained to me as this. And take this as you may but this is from as close as you can to direct from the drafters. The bill was made up because of the lack of law that exists when people trespass on unposted land. Mainly in the south and west where there are many instinaces where people have parked at abandoned farmsteads pastures etc and set up to live for months without permission. With the current law they have no way of getting these people off. The other aspect was if someone would drive onto a property and cause damage, bonfire, or vandalize, not much lawfully can be done even if these people are caught as long as it's not posted. This had nothing to with hunting even though that's the topic many people are on now. The people who support this issue and the people who brought this to light have no want to hurt or disconnect the hunter from the land, with changing times they are just trying to give themselves a chance to gain rights on the land in which they own

I am throwing the bullshit flag on your comments.

With the current law all the land owner has to do is tell them they have to leave and then call the sheriff.
It is against the law to damage someone's property if its posted or not, and if caught will be held liable.

ND has in place protection for land owners if someone comes on their un-posted property and gets hurt, unless the land owner intentionally creates a hazard.

 

[PrairieGhost]

If one would let me come up with the solution it will be done in the next sentence.

NO, next subject db

I vote to turn it over to you.:;:thumbsup

 

[Nean Delson]

Just what were you selling out the back of your truck in back alleys then? :;:stirthepot

Trip there is perhaps only one guy here who doesn't know why you rarely see a farmer at a gas station. A couple years ago I actually seen a grain truck at the gas station. Power was out to his pumps on the farm or something like that. I nearly sold the guy my AR15 because he made me a really good offer. Then one of these haters accused me of selling guns illegally out of my trunk in back alleys. Up to that point I thought he was a second amendment supporter.

 

[PrairieGhost]

Just what were you selling out the back of your truck in back alleys then?

;:;funnypost

 

[Livetohuntandfish]

This is what was just brought to my attention. From what I gathered the squater issue is big in the west on abondoned farmsteads. I'm just stating the facts that this bill was originally introduced having other other issues raised that had nothing to do with hunting. If the law is not correct from what I gathered just state the law and not just the bullshit flag. Does nothing to justify the facts...