State-owned Casinos anyone

[dean nelson]

They also banned alcohol as well.... by the way how did that one work out? exactly the same as the war on drugs. The hate is generated by the insanely slanted stupid shit you post so stop posting stupid shit and I'll let go the hate!

 

[Davy Crockett]

So where will we be in another 20 years if we keep up this pace of "tolerance"?

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I haven't made up my mind yet.

 

[Reprobait]

What kind of regulation is there on the current casinos in ND? Is there any in regards to percent payback? I know in Deadwood they had stickers on them that they are certified for XX percent payout in XXXXX spins.

 

[eyexer]

I don't believe there is any regulation on the payouts on the res.

 

[gst]

They also banned alcohol as well.... by the way how did that one work out? exactly the same as the war on drugs. The hate is generated by the insanely slanted stupid shit you post so stop posting stupid shit and I'll let go the hate!

So you actually admit to hating someone over something they post on the internet and some how I am the one with a problem of being stupid?

Actually I would have thought someone as smart as you would have known why they repealed prohibition. Anyways nice little diversion from talk about the consequences of state owned casinos.

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I haven't made up my mind yet.

Davy out of curiousity, honestly, what would YOUR response have been 20 year ago if someone had told you gay marriage would be legal in ND, smoking pot was legal and the state wanted to run gambling casinos?

What "bubble wrap" laws should we not have?

Ha 3 unsigned bad reps.............

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[Davy Crockett]

Davy out of curiousity, honestly, what would YOUR response have been 20 year ago if someone had told you gay marriage would be legal in ND, smoking pot was legal and the state wanted to run gambling casinos?

What "bubble wrap" laws should we not have?


I don't know and don't care what my opinion was 20 years ago, It doesn't apply to this issue today.

 

[Mocha]

Once you decide to have gambling legal then it should be a level playing field for all that want to open up a casino. IMHO

If you decide not to have legal gambling then nobody gets to have a monopoly on the industry. IMHO

 

[gst]

I don't know and don't care what my opinion was 20 years ago, It doesn't apply to this issue today.

I'm guessing most on here know what your response would have been. So why doesn;t history of what has occurred in changes in the past not apply to why some folks are against the state opening casinos today?

Perhaps we should just go the route Nevada has an legalize and tax brothels as well?

https://people.emich.edu/tsonntag/engl444/printtoweb/tax_revenue.html

http://scholarship.shu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1009&context=student_scholarship

Perhaps a state ballot measure?

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Prop-K-calls-for-legal-prostitution-in-S-F-3191781.php

http://www.sfweekly.com/news/sex-workers-rally-decriminalize-prostitution/

Well I don;t think there is a chance in hell we will legalize prostitution here in North Dakota..................... but hey I struck out on the three I mentioned I thought we would never see 20 years ago.

For the record I am hoping this election may have been a stemming of the tide if you will..........we will see in two years how the mid terms go.

Anyways despite what Mr. Nelson claims state run casinos popping up across the state WILL have a negative affect on charitable gambling in small towns near them, that is simply common sense.

That will impact some pretty good programs in those small communities.

 

[PrairieGhost]

For many reasons, ive got no interest at all in letting someone make millions or billions of off gambling in this state.

Read the history of gambling and the mob in Nevada. Not a pretty picture. Gambling addiction is not the number one problem.

 

[Kurtr]

i think a limit on nr waterfowl hunters and a slot for walleyes of between 15 and 24 " would be the most effective.

 

[Colt45]

Most small towns have pull tabs and possibly a black jack table if they can still generate enough to pay dealers. They lose a portion of the gamblers to the casinos we already have. Those casinos are going to be X miles from these small towns. If the state comes in and builds 6 across the state, unless they build them on top of the Indian casinos it will cut the distance those that gamble have to drive to do so. THAT is what will increase the loss of gambling revenues by a percentage in these small towns.

SO why couldn't we have state owned casinos prop up the small town gambling revenues? If a state owned casino does indeed take away from small town charities, then subsidize the small town charities with casino revenue and make them whole. The profits from a state casino belong to we the people, we should be able to do what we want with it. Don't see why that wouldn't work. I don't believe 6 casinos would be built anyways, not sure how they came up the no more than 6 concept.
We could also set aside some of the profits to be beat back future terrorist riots when another pipeline gets built on American soil and not on the rez.

 

[Davy Crockett]

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I'm guessing most on here know what your response would have been.




I'm guessing most knew you would show up sooner or later and try to start a 30 page argument. God, can you not express yourself without singling people out to make them look bad in your image so that you and your clan can feel superior and carry chips on your shoulders ? I'm here to learn and I welcome opinions but I don't really feel like arguing or carrying a monkey on my back because of my opinion of MM or anything else. keep it up you will have more that 3 bad reps.

 

[gst]

Most small towns have pull tabs and possibly a black jack table if they can still generate enough to pay dealers. They lose a portion of the gamblers to the casinos we already have. Those casinos are going to be X miles from these small towns. If the state comes in and builds 6 across the state, unless they build them on top of the Indian casinos it will cut the distance those that gamble have to drive to do so. THAT is what will increase the loss of gambling revenues by a percentage in these small towns.

SO why couldn't we have state owned casinos prop up the small town gambling revenues? If a state owned casino does indeed take away from small town charities, then subsidize the small town charities with casino revenue and make them whole. The profits from a state casino belong to we the people, we should be able to do what we want with it. Don't see why that wouldn't work. I don't believe 6 casinos would be built anyways, not sure how they came up the no more than 6 concept.
We could also set aside some of the profits to be beat back future terrorist riots when another pipeline gets built on American soil and not on the rez.

If that would occur it would deal with those loses of revenues and perhaps even increase them a bit. Didn;t hear anyone mentioning that solution in the proposals by the legislature.

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I'm guessing most on here know what your response would have been.




I'm guessing most knew you would show up sooner or later and try to start a 30 page argument. God, can you not express yourself without singling people out to make them look bad in your image so that you and your clan can feel superior and carry chips on your shoulders ? I'm here to learn and I welcome opinions but I don't really feel like arguing or carrying a monkey on my back because of my opinion of MM or anything else. keep it up you will have more that 3 bad reps.

Who is trying to "feel superior"?? Perhaps it is you that has the chip??

I am simply curious to how people think. This has nothing to do with your opinion on MM simply on ideologies of relaxing our laws over time and the consequences that eventually leads to.

Threats or even actions of whiney unsigned bad rep do little to dissuade my posting here.

 

[Colt45]

Kansas has 3 state owned casinos now, and plans are for a fourth. I wonder if they allow their casinos to be open on sunday?
Don't see why ND cant do the same..........

http://www.kctv5.com/story/16671969/newest-kansas-casino-opens-bringing-in-15000-people-in-first-day

 

[Davy Crockett]

I am simply curious to how people think.




This is the way I think. If there weren't already casinos in ND I'd be dead set against it but since we/they already have them I think what are the benefits and what are the drawbacks and do the existing casinos pay taxes in ND ? Is there a business plan with projected cash flows for the new casino idea? Financially I believe this will be a gold mine on the east side of the state and could end up being a huge liability on the west side. I think I have more questions than answers and I think I think less of Al Carlson the more I hear of him, I wish I'd never heard of this idea but it's reality so we better take a good look at it from all angles.

I'm sure glad this is a long ways off so people are educated before they vote on it.

 

[johnr]

If the American Indian, is first off American, why can the "tribe" have benefits that the rest of us Americans can not?

I am for no certain "type" of American getting special treatment over any other "type" of American.

The racism we face is perpetuated through these special deals meant to promote one American over another American.

Either we can all be part of the casino business, or no one should be able to be part of it. I am tired of being discriminated against because of my skin color, creed, and whatnot...haha

bunch of racists keeping me and my people down.

 

[tikkalover]

HCR 3033 could authorize up to 6 state-owned casinos in ND

House Concurrent Resolution 3033 was in committee today. If the bill passes, up to six state-owned casinos could be authorized across the state.
Those that spoke for the bill's passage said adding destination-oriented casinos would improve the economic development of rural parts of the state. As expected, this resolution was something some Native Americans were not in favor of.
During the two hour judiciary meeting, there were just as many testimonies in opposition as there were in support. House Representative Al Carlson was the first to speak.
Rep. Carlson: "We are not Las Vegas. We need to have a very controlled environment if we are going to do this.
One big question alongside this proposal is how it could affect Native American communities.
Mark Fox: "And you're going to find our reservation still struggling hard to try to establish themselves. And that one vehicle that has helped pull us out of that is now going to be reversed and diminished."
Fox says he'd bet the state will profit, but at the expense of the Native American casinos.
Mark Fox: "If the state expands gaming by passing this bill, if it goes into the arena of gaming, into a market that is already at equilibrium, and creates a saturation effect, you will gain revenue. But it's not without a cost.."
While Native American communities are concerned about how this bill could take a hit to their economy, legislators are looking at the expected revenue.
Sen. Carlson: "What happens to the money? The other one said 30% of the money, the revenue, would go to the community health trust fund, which by the way deals with a lot of mental health issues, it deals with a lot of the community health issues we deal with. And 70% of this would be used to go into our tax relief fund, which we already have established."
Another concern brought to the table is the negative costs to those dealing with gambling addiction
Jon Jorgenson: "You'll be looking at more jail cells. You'll be looking at more law enforcement, which I know, people have brought up this question, how will that be paid for? Slots are the crack cocaine of gambling"
This bill has a long road ahead, but if passed it'd come down to the voters decision in the 20-18 primary election.
Some of the stipulations of this bill include the casinos being built at least 20 miles away from Indian land, and also being at least five miles away from towns with 5,000 or more in population.

 

[dean nelson]

I do love that they cause a big uproar and it's our job to heal the wound? How does that math work?

 

[tikkalover]

I am sorry Mr. Fox, but after the pipe line protest and UND nick name change tirade, I could care less how the building of state owned casinos would affect what happens to the tribes.......................... Yes, yes I know not all Natives American's were for either one of the things I mentioned above, but both have put a bad taste in my mouth.

 

[eyexer]

The tribes can kiss my ass. Time for the state to capitalize on this opportunity and use the money for tax reduction, etc. You aren't going to see any larger numbers than you already do in regard to gambling rehab and such. I refuse to go to a native owned casino. I haven't been in one for ten years at least I bet. But I would certainly go to a state owned casino even if it's just to eat. I think you'll see larger numbers of people doing what I would do just to patronize the state that wouldn't do it if native owned.