The Decline of Devils Lake

[1lessdog]

Again it’s federal not state. They know there’s no federal warden around.

I don't see how it matters. They have state Outfitters and Guide licenses. The state can still check them. Is Lake Irvine on a Federal Wildlife Refuge?

 

[Griz]

I don't see how it matters. They have state Outfitters and Guide licenses. The state can still check them. Is Lake Irvine on a Federal Wildlife Refuge?

No it isn’t.

 

[Griz]

No it isn’t. The game wardens have said all they can do is check for over harvest and other typical things.

 

[NodakBob]

What if our local police would ignore anything that was a federal crime? Seems like lame excuse that nobody wants to address…

 

[Twitch]

What if our local police would ignore anything that was a federal crime? Seems like lame excuse that nobody wants to address…

Then you would be in Minnesota

 

[3Roosters]

Theres a big difference to me. I saw 5 snow bears on a small body earlier this winter. So as you said...you and your buddy catch fish for a week. Good....a snow bear packs people in, so 4 guys in one?? Now you have 20 guys on said body of water each day till bite ends. Just from the guides. So a ball park number of perch may potentially be 400-500 perch taken just that week. Just from 5 bears. Now add it up for the season. And there are about a million bears around here. This scenario isn't far off. And actually I am not against guides either. But I wish gov would find way to weed out the guys who are serious about it and do it for a hard core living vs the wanna bes that do it for youtube. If any of that makes sense.

4ppl plus the snow bear guide in one snow bear???????????? serious????? You can't be serious.

 

[bigv]

Umm ….read again. Says 4 guys in one.

 

[camper]

4ppl plus the snow bear guide in one snow bear???????????? serious????? You can't be serious.

I’ve gone twice this year in a snow bear, 4 guys each time. 3 paying customers and one guide. The first time the guide didn’t fish, the second time he did.

 

[1lessdog]

No it isn’t.

I don't understand why a State Warden can't go on a state lake and check fishermen.

 

[lunkerslayer]

I believe devils lake will never be a great perch lake again, because of the destruction of all the natural shorelines.
https://www.grandforksherald.com/sp...-fishing-hotbed-dates-back-to-the-early-1980s
When reading this article ask yourself what has changed in devils lake other then the obvious of more water?

 

[yellowlab]

I don't understand why a State Warden can't go on a state lake and check fishermen.

They can, and do all the time. The issue here is Lake Alice is a National Wildlife Refuge and the no guiding or boats on Lake Alice are federal regulations. State game wardens can not enforce federal laws, the same as local police can not enforce federal laws. They gather information and pass it along when neeeded, but that is all they can do.

 

[Kurtr]

They can, and do all the time. The issue here is Lake Alice is a National Wildlife Refuge and the no guiding or boats on Lake Alice are federal regulations. State game wardens can not enforce federal laws, the same as local police can not enforce federal laws. They gather information and pass it along when neeeded, but that is all they can do.

i dont know that is true. How can they give you a ticket for using lead on waterfowl that is a federal regulation.

Yes, state game wardens (conservation officers) can and often do enforce federal regulations, primarily through cooperative agreements and cross-deputization with federal agencies like the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. They are authorized to enforce federal laws regarding migratory birds, endangered species, and the Lacey Act.
Key details regarding state warden authority:

• Cross-Deputization: Many state officers are "cross-sworn" or "cross-deputized," allowing them to enforce federal marine fisheries and wildlife laws.
• Cooperative Agreements: State wildlife agencies collaborate directly with federal agencies for joint enforcement efforts, especially in protected areas or for interstate trafficking of wildlife.
• Broad Authority: Game wardens are generally peace officers with full powers to enforce both state and, where authorized, federal laws, according to California Department of Fish and Wildlife officials.
• Scope: While federal officers have nationwide jurisdiction for federal crimes, state wardens primarily handle federal issues within their state jurisdiction.

In essence, state game wardens often act as a force multiplier for federal, state, and local agencies to ensure comprehensive natural resource protection.

 

[yellowlab]

i dont know that is true. How can they give you a ticket for using lead on waterfowl that is a federal regulation.

Yes, state game wardens (conservation officers) can and often do enforce federal regulations, primarily through cooperative agreements and cross-deputization with federal agencies like the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. They are authorized to enforce federal laws regarding migratory birds, endangered species, and the Lacey Act.
Key details regarding state warden authority:

• Cross-Deputization: Many state officers are "cross-sworn" or "cross-deputized," allowing them to enforce federal marine fisheries and wildlife laws.
• Cooperative Agreements: State wildlife agencies collaborate directly with federal agencies for joint enforcement efforts, especially in protected areas or for interstate trafficking of wildlife.
• Broad Authority: Game wardens are generally peace officers with full powers to enforce both state and, where authorized, federal laws, according to California Department of Fish and Wildlife officials.
• Scope: While federal officers have nationwide jurisdiction for federal crimes, state wardens primarily handle federal issues within their state jurisdiction.

In essence, state game wardens often act as a force multiplier for federal, state, and local agencies to ensure comprehensive natural resource protection.

I 100% know that is true. If it is a federal violation only, ND state wardens can not enforce it. Lead shot, migratory bird limits, etc. are also in state law so that is what is being enforced. State laws by state wardens. Your AI answer is BS, at least in ND.

 

[Kurtr]

I 100% know that is true. If it is a federal violation only, ND state wardens can not enforce it. Lead shot, migratory bird limits, etc. are also in state law so that is what is being enforced. State laws by state wardens. Your AI answer is BS, at least in ND.

The state wardens in South Dakota enforce the rules of the wildlife refuges down here.

So i just called and talked to a ND warden and they can enforce the law if the feds back them up there is some grey area . They can also get information and forward it onto the feds. If its as big of a problem as being portrayed i would be taking pictures and documenting and sending to both the state and federal offices

 

[1lessdog]

The state wardens in South Dakota enforce the rules of the wildlife refuges down here.

So i just called and talked to a ND warden and they can enforce the law if the feds back them up there is some grey area . They can also get information and forward it onto the feds. If its as big of a problem as being portrayed i would be taking pictures and documenting and sending to both the state and federal offices

The old saying believe none of what you hear. And half of what you see goes a long ways in the people guiding on the lake or bring boats on to the lake. If that was happening it would be a federal offense. A while back someone talked about tournament fisherman went into said lake . I have to question most of the comments.

 

[Kurtr]

The old saying believe none of what you hear. And half of what you see goes a long ways in the people guiding on the lake or bring boats on to the lake. If that was happening it would be a federal offense. A while back someone talked about tournament fisherman went into said lake . I have to question most of the comments.

I did some more digging and got to talk to another person who is retired but ( i hate this word) nuanced procedures but they can address the issues at hand if they are happening as described. Like he said if the problem is that bad it would be on the radar. So either its not that bad or people are not reporting and documenting it like they say they are

 

[Griz]

I did some more digging and got to talk to another person who is retired but ( i hate this word) nuanced procedures but they can address the issues at hand if they are happening as described. Like he said if the problem is that bad it would be on the radar. So either its not that bad or people are not reporting and documenting it like they say they are

It’s been reported by a few individuals. That’s all a person can try to do.