DEA is looking to drop marijuana down to a schedule 2 or 3 drug

[johnr]

Weed is neat. Makes for good sausage waiters

 

[deleted member]

Best part about this discussion is it essentially legal in DC where they continue to drag their feet on making any significant changes for the rest of the country.

 

[gst]

FBO material.

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I think your having withdrawal symptoms since GST is pouting and won't come out to play with you because you sure seem like your arguing just to argue. Bring on some good debate and teach and learn , I'm not so much a fan of those that just stir the "pot" for something to do.
It is just starting to become legal so research has been limited but Science has proven it's benifits over and over , Israel has produced strains that don't get you high and you are arguing about it. Ironic how you throw the word "stupid" around .



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Sevinmagg , Here ya go.





Davy, if you want people to support your cause, perhaps you should actually post the measure and speak directly to that instead of making childish insults towards those that actually support medical usage, but have a different opinion on recreational use.

There are two separate measures, one for rec use ones for medical use, you have the opportunity to pass medical usage if you can gain support rather than alienating people.

 

[lunkerslayer]

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/marijuana-treat-painkiller-heroin-addiction-38677550

Could Marijuana Help Treat Painkiller and Heroin Addiction?
The growing number of patients who claim marijuana helped them drop their painkiller habit has intrigued lawmakers and emboldened advocates.

Some are pushing for cannabis as a treatment for the abuse of opioids and illegal narcotics like heroin, as well as an alternative to painkillers.

It's a tempting sell in New England, hard hit by the painkiller and heroin crisis. But there's a problem: There is very little research showing marijuana works as a treatment for the addiction.


http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/could-marijuana-help-treat-painkiller-and-heroin-addiction

 

[johnr]

Lunk, you sure put a lot of time and effort into your push for legal marijuana.
Are you trying to start a crop of it, have a family member with glaucoma, or just want to smoke your weed from behind closed doors?

not that I care either way, just seems very passionate to you.

I see no problem with legitimate medical needs for it at all, just don't see a need for recreational use so much, but on that same hand don't see a need for a guy to spend anytime in a prison for smoking it either.

 

[lunkerslayer]

Good question Johnr, yes I had a family member suffer from fibromyalgia until she decided to overdose on pain medication. If I could get in on the hemp business in the future, I will have to start the next chapter in my life. Also if you seen my pics of my garden last summer you can see I have a green thumb.
What about you johnr you smoke the reefer?
If not would you of smoked it if it was legal or if you were diagnosed with some kind of ailment.

I support your concern on recreational marijuana for now until we can figure out all there is to know about the effects on our daily society.
Also if you read my earlier post on regulating the different thc percentage of potency to be allowed for recreational use. Same as different proof of alcohol beverage.

 

[lunkerslayer]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/study-no-scientific-basis-laws-marijuana-driving-040344438--politics.html

Study: No scientific basis for laws on marijuana and driving

WASHINGTON (AP) — Six states that allow marijuana use legal tests to determine driving while impaired by the drug that have no scientific basis, according to a study by the nation's largest automobile club that calls for scrapping those laws.
The study commissioned by AAA's safety foundation said it's not possible to set a blood-test threshold for THC, the chemical in marijuana that makes people high, that can reliably determine impairment. Yet the laws in five of the six states automatically presume a driver guilty if that person tests higher than the limit, and not guilty if it's lower.
As a result, drivers who are unsafe may be going free while others may be wrongly convicted, the foundation said.
The foundation recommends replacing the laws with ones that rely on specially trained police officers to determine if a driver is impaired, backed up by a test for the presence of THC rather than a specific threshold. The officers are supposed to screen for dozens of indicators of drug use, from pupil dilation and tongue color to behavior.
The foundation's recommendation to scrap the laws in Colorado, Montana, Nevada, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Washington comes as legislatures in several more states consider adopting similar laws.
At least three states, and possibly as many as eleven, will vote this fall on ballot measures to legalize marijuana for either recreational or medicinal use, or both. Several legislatures are also considering legalization bills.
"There is understandably a strong desire by both lawmakers and the public to create legal limits for marijuana impairment in the same manner we do alcohol," said Marshall Doney, AAA's president and CEO. "In the case of marijuana, this approach is flawed and not supported by scientific research."
Determining whether someone is impaired by marijuana, as opposed to having simply used the drug at some time, is far more complex than the simple and reliable tests that have been developed for alcohol impairment.
There's no science that shows drivers become impaired at a specific level of THC in the blood. A lot depends upon the individual. Drivers with relatively high levels of THC in their systems might not be impaired, especially if they are regular users, while others with relatively low levels may be unsafe behind the wheel.
Some drivers may be impaired when they are stopped by police, but by the time their blood is tested they have fallen below the legal threshold because active THC dissipates rapidly. The average time to collect blood from a suspected driver is often more than two hours because taking a blood sample typically requires a warrant and transport to a police station or hospital, the foundation said.
In addition, frequent users of the drug can exhibit persistent levels of the drug long after use, while THC levels can decline more rapidly among occasional users. Nine states, including some that have legalized marijuana for medicinal use, have zero-tolerance laws for driving and marijuana that make not only the presence of THC in a driver's blood illegal, but also the presence of its metabolites, which can linger for weeks after use.
That makes no sense, said Mark A. R. Kleiman, a New York University professor specializing in issues involving drugs and criminal policy. "A law against driving with THC in your bloodstream is not a law you can know you are obeying except by never smoking marijuana or never driving," he said.
He said rather than switching to a new kind of law as AAA recommends, states should consider simply making it a traffic violation.
Studies show that using marijuana and driving roughly doubles the risk of a crash, Kleiman said. By comparison, talking on a hands-free cellphone while driving — legal in all states — quadruples crash risk, he said. A blood alcohol content of .12, which is about the median amount in drunken driving cases, increases crash risk by about 15 times, he said.
Driving with "a noisy child in the back of the car" is about as dangerous as using marijuana and driving, Kleiman said.
The exception is when a driver has both been using marijuana and drinking alcohol because the two substances together greatly heighten impairment, he said.
The foundation also released a second study that found the share of drivers in fatal crashes who had recently used marijuana doubled in Washington after the state legalized it for recreational use in December 2012. From 2013 to 2014, the share of drivers who had recently used marijuana rose from 8 percent to 17 percent.
While it stopped short of blaming the crashes on that increase, AAA traffic safety director Jake Nelson said traffic fatalities went up 6 percent in Washington during that same while the fatalities nationally declined.

 

[johnr]

driving while high has doubled since becoming legal in those states.

That's what I saw this morning on CBS

 

[lunkerslayer]

Of course the national fatality has gone down nationally during the same time period. Driving under the influence is unacceptable regardless if it alcohol, MJ, prescription drugs, or lack of sleep which causes someone to fall asleep at the wheel. The scientific evidence shows that unless the federal government teaches LEO how to recognize signs of impairment, we will have more false arrests which will only cloud up useful data.

 

[lunkerslayer]

Reefer Sadness: Feds Keep Restrictions on Marijuana

The federal government declared Thursday that marijuana, for nearly a half-century lumped in with heroin, LSD and Ecstasy as the most deadly and useless illicit drugs, will remain on that list. At the same time, it eased rules that have limited the use of cannabis in medical research.

The federal government’s opposition to removing marijuana from its so-called Schedule I on the Controlled Substances Act comes as half the nation’s 50 states now allow the use of marijuana in some form, contrary to federal law.

The federal government reconfirmed Thursday that it believes there is insufficient evidence to show that marijuana’s “known risks” outweigh any “specific benefits” its use might offer. The Drug Enforcement Administration concluded that weed has no “currently accepted medical use’” because its “chemistry is not known and reproducible; there are no adequate safety studies; there are no adequate and well-controlled studies proving efficacy; the drug is not accepted by qualified experts; and the scientific evidence is not widely available.”

But the DEA did open the door to more research into marijuana’s medical utility by making it easier for research institutions to grow it. Currently, there is only a single facility in Mississippi that provides a limited amount of marijuana for research, crimping efforts to see if it can help alleviate pain and conditions including cancer, epilepsy and post-traumatic stress disorder. “This change,” the DEA said, “should provide researchers with a more varied and robust supply of marijuana.”

Advocates were disappointed. “The DEA’s refusal to remove marijuana from Schedule I is, quite frankly, mind-boggling,” Marijuana Policy Project spokesman Mason Tvert said in a statement. “Not everyone agrees marijuana should be legal, but few will deny that it is less harmful than alcohol and many prescription drugs.”

Not everyone was disappointed. “Wealthy investors and fierce user-advocates have orchestrated a political campaign to medicalize, legalize and normalize an intoxicating, psychoactive, addictive drug,” Bertha Madras, a Harvard psychiatric biologist who fought drug abuse in President George W. Bush’s White House, told TIME recently. “Believers of its harmless and curative powers have driven state approval for its use as a medicine, in the absence of unbiased scientific evidence or adherence to rigorous drug approval processes.”

Marijuana has been used through history far longer than its use has been barred in the U.S. Its mind-altering qualities led to its use as medicine in ancient China, and in fact, it could legally be prescribed by U.S. doctors until 1942, when the Federal Bureau of Narcotics persuaded the nonprofit U.S. Pharmacopeia to remove it from its list of drugs deemed effective. Prior to that, more than 20 marijuana-based prescription medicines were sold in the U.S. early in the 20th century; between 1937 and 1942 the federal government levied a tax of $1 an ounce on marijuana.

President Nixon viewed marijuana as part of a plot, along with homosexuals and “immorality in general,” against America. “That’s why the Communists and the left-wingers are pushing the stuff,” he said in a 1971 Oval Office meeting with top advisers John Erlichman and H.R. “Bob” Haldeman. “They’re trying to destroy us.”

After Nixon’s attorney general, John Mitchell, declared marijuana a Schedule I substance in 1972, some in the government disagreed. “Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man,” Francis Young, a Drug Enforcement Administration administrative law judge, wrote in 1988. “By any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within a supervised routine of medical care.”

The American Medical Association urged the DEA to reconsider the Schedule listing in 2009. A 2014 doctors’ survey found 56% of them backed the legal use of marijuana for medical purposes, with 82% of cancer doctors supporting the move. But that Schedule I designation has kept marijuana out of bounds when it came to federal research into its possible use for treatments of cancer, epilepsy and post-traumatic stress disorder.

While it’s nearly impossible to kill yourself with a marijuana overdose (although it is believed to increase the risk of suicide), prescription-opioid overdoses killed 14,000 in the U.S. in 2014. A recent study found that opioid deaths fell an average of 25% in states after medical marijuana use had been legalized. But nothing compares to alcohol, which killed an estimated 88,000 people in the U.S. annually from 2006 to 2010.

At least five U.S. Presidents are believed to have used marijuana, before or during their presidencies, stretching from George Washington to Barack Obama. (The others are James Madison, John Kennedy and Bill Clinton.) JFK used marijuana to ease severe back pain. On the evening of July 16, 1962, he reportedly smoked three joints, and was offered a fourth. “No more,” Kennedy said, according to Washington Post executive Jim Truitt, who said he was there. “Suppose the Russians did something now.”

 

[Lycanthrope]

Everyone knows that the FDA is in the pocket of big pharma, this decision is not surprising...

 

[Walleye_Chaser]

It's true, this shit is so corrupt it's just sad.

 

[lunkerslayer]

US court upholds ban on gun sales to marijuana card holders

A federal ban on the sale of guns to holders of medical marijuana cards doesn't violate the Second Amendment, a federal appeals court said Wednesday.

The ruling by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco came in a lawsuit filed by S. Rowan Wilson, a Nevada woman who said she tried to buy a firearm for self-defense in 2011 after having obtained a medical marijuana card. The gun store refused, citing the federal rule banning the sale of firearms to illegal drug users.

Marijuana remains illegal under federal law, and the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has told gun sellers they can assume that a person with a medical marijuana card uses the drug.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/court-upholds-ban-gun-sales-marijuana-card-holders-n640951

 

[deleted member]

Oh for fucks sake

 

[lunkerslayer]

Oh for fucks sake

I know hey!!!

 

[Walleye_Chaser]

Holy shit are you kidding me. What about alcohol users? Better get a list of all who purchase booze...oh wait that dangerous drug is federally legal....

I wonder how much the judges were paid

 

[deleted member]

To be fair, they do ask about booze on the questionnaire too if I remember right.

 

[lunkerslayer]

What I don't understand is how can the FBI and gun shops know if you have a MM card? It not like you can look that stuff up online and what would happen if you get caught in possession of a gun with a MM card. This is very scary stuff for tax paying Americans who use MJ to elevate some form of medical conditions. If Hilliary wins anyone with any sort of infraction dealing with MJ could potentially be effected by this which is a bunch of crap.

 

[Colt45]

 

[lunkerslayer]

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