Drawing the big 3 before I die

[johnr]

I will be happy with fair when I get my tags

 

[Sluggo]

Correct me if I am wrong but there is not a "gratis" tag for moose and elk but rather some preference is given to land owners. In other words, land owners are in the same lottery as everyone else but have a higher percentage of drawing than a city dweller.

 

[dean nelson]

[h=3]Elk Landowner Preference License[/h]Any resident who owns, or leases for agricultural purposes and actively farms or ranches, a minimum of 150 acres of land in designated areas is eligible to apply for a landowner preference elk license. For 2016, allocation of these licenses is as follows: unit E1, 15 licenses; unit E2, 21 licenses; unit E3, 12 licenses; unit E4, licenses issued in accordance with exemptions provided under N.D.C.C. 20.1-03-11.7. Individuals who receive a landowner preference license must pay the appropriate big game license fee

 

[Captain Ahab]

I will be happy with fair when I get my tags

Have you turned Millennial?

 

[lunkerslayer]

Correct me if I am wrong but there is not a "gratis" tag for moose and elk but rather some preference is given to land owners. In other words, land owners are in the same lottery as everyone else but have a higher percentage of drawing than a city dweller.

Elk tag is supposed to be a once in a lifetime tag, I know of at least one land owner who has bagged to big bull elk. Yeah I am jealous

 

[Srputz]

Denied here. Again

 

[Obi-Wan]

[h=3]Moose Landowner Preference License[/h]Any resident who owns, or leases for agricultural purposes and actively farms or ranches, a minimum of 150 acres of land in the following units is eligible to apply for landowner preference moose licenses. For 2016, zero in M5; one in M6; two in M8; 10 in M9; and 15 in M10. Landowner preference licenses are valid for any moose. Landowner moose license holders may hunt only upon land owned or leased by them and described on their application.
If a landowner moose license holder is unsuccessful in harvesting a moose, that person may return the unused license to the Department and apply for a license to hunt moose in future years.
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[h=3]Elk Landowner Preference License[/h]Any resident who owns, or leases for agricultural purposes and actively farms or ranches, a minimum of 150 acres of land in designated areas is eligible to apply for a landowner preference elk license. For 2016, allocation of these licenses is as follows: unit E1, 15 licenses; unit E2, 21 licenses; unit E3, 12 licenses; unit E4, licenses issued in accordance with exemptions provided under N.D.C.C. 20.1-03-11.7. Individuals who receive a landowner preference license must pay the appropriate big game license fee.
Landowner Preference Elk License Eligibility Areas
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Preferential licenses for units E1 and E2 may be used until filled, in both bow and regular seasons subject to the rules of the season. Landowner preference licenses are valid for any elk. Landowner elk license holders may hunt anywhere in the unit where their qualifying land is located. Unit E3 or E4 preferential elk licenses may be used to harvest an elk causing depredation from May 1–July 31. License holders intending to harvest a depredating elk must notify the Game and Fish Department at least 24 hours prior to harvesting an animal, and also must notify the Department within 24 hours after the harvest takes place.

 

[Traxion]

I just don't think that you guys give out enough tags to have a preference system. The first few years would be the best but after that point creep would increase and the odds would be just as bad.

Think of point creep like this- You get in line to get a tag, they give the tag to the next in line. They give out 5 tags a year but 10 people get in line every year. So each new person in line has to wait longer and longer to get their tag.

Some tags out in the western states took 13 points to get 10 years ago. Now they take 19 points. If the rate keeps up, you're talking 31 points 20 years from now. The tags become nearly impossible.

Even in SD creep is becoming a problem. When I started applying for archery elk 10 years ago most guys were getting tags with 5 points. I drew with 10 points 10 years later and was lucky. By the time I am able to apply again it will probably be 20 points. Add that to the 10 year wait between applying again and I am 30 years from getting a tag. Somewhat depressing........

Once in a lifetime sucks but the chances are equal at least.

 

[Sluggo]

Elk tag is supposed to be a once in a lifetime tag, I know of at least one land owner who has bagged to big bull elk. Yeah I am jealous

Sounds like they should implement this rule for Elk as well then "If a landowner moose license holder is unsuccessful in harvesting a moose, that person may return the unused license to the Department and apply for a license to hunt moose in future years."

 

[lunkerslayer]

Sounds like they should implement this rule for Elk as well then "If a landowner moose license holder is unsuccessful in harvesting a moose, that person may return the unused license to the Department and apply for a license to hunt moose in future years."

No they should change the law to once in a lifetime, but the NDGF doesn't have the balls.
Yeah I am jealous

 

[Sluggo]

No they should change the law to once in a lifetime, but the NDGF doesn't have the balls.
Yeah I am jealous

Wonder why that rule exists for Moose but not Elk?

 

[You]

Wonder why that rule exists for Moose but not Elk?

Numbers brah. Lotsa elkies not so much for moosesez. I've delved into this a bit. Fun fact- owning a buck five oh ish of land in an elk unit doesn't gar n tee you the privilege of apply n. 'Designated areas' that's where they (ndgnfuin..) get ya. U c, I had a looooonnnnngggg convo w an uber massive construction man in my town during the glory days (pre tr cull) and he was pullin a bull tag every other...... That got me thinkin, I need more money........so I can purchase 150 in an elk unit! Well, time came where I could swing this, so I started looking HARD. (U betcha) Long n short, there has to b a 'known history of critters' on ur one fitty. Oh, and u must b an active 'farmer/rancher' of the land . That's the ez part imo.

 

[dean nelson]

For those who have hunted elk out there could you get on any of the privet ground? If not then it's time to get this crap fixed. The fact that they are not limited even to their own land is BS if they won't let anyone else on theirs. Add that to a tag every year and the tag being good for all seasons this is just a racket for a small group of people and the rest get screwed. Either get some formal contracts that open up their land for this hunt or end the over the top preferred treatment!

 

[Account Deleted]

I accessed some private ground from two different land owners.

 

[b2down]

I had an E2 tag three years ago. I started scouting and contacting land owners in June of the dozen or so landowners I contacted I was granted permission by one. I actually got quite an ass chewing by one for even asking to hunt. He was very upset about the gratis difference between E2 landowners and the landowners that get tags yearly around the park. I left his farm rethinking about hunting in ND. I also have 19 points for CO elk. With the points creep, I have another 10 years until I draw a trophy unit. Consider it as another once in a lifetime hunt.

 

[Account Deleted]

I actually got quite an ass chewing by one for even asking to hunt. He was very upset about the gratis difference between E2 landowners and the landowners that get tags yearly around the park.

I would have just walked away the moment he started chewing. I have no obligation to listen to him. If he wants to chew ass, he has to pay me for my time.

 

[savage270]

My wife had an E2 tag last year and most everyone we talked to was willing to let her on (if we could actually get a hold of them). We did run into one rancher who had a herd of 25 elk on his land, but wouldn't let anyone hunt because "the G&F say I don't have any elk and don't qualify for a gratis tag, so no one else can hunt them either". Never mind the fact that he had 20+ oil wells on his land and could hunt elk anywhere he wants in the country if he really wanted to. . .

 

[KDM]

IMO, one of the biggest problems with this system is US, THE SPORTSMEN!!!! It's not about hunting elk and the whole experience of chasing these majestic creatures, it's all about shooting that BIG BULL!!! I applied one time for a cow elk tag in ND, and I was SUCCESSFUL the first year I applied. So I don't buy into this "I'm never going to get a ND elk tag in my lifetime, so something needs to be changed" garbage. If you want to hunt elk in ND, it's NOT that hard to get a cow tag. However, if a cow isn't good enough for you and you "CHOOSE" to go for a bull tag, that's your choice so deal with the realities. Furthermore, putting 500 bucks in a coffee can each year you are denied a tag would soon provide you with enough cash to go on a pretty good elk hunt in MT, CO, or Wyoming. My DIY elk hunt in MT cost about 2500 bucks door to door for 10 days. The system is fine just the way it is. Bash Away Boys!!!

 

[Fly Carpin]

IMO, one of the biggest problems with this system is US, THE SPORTSMEN!!!! It's not about hunting elk and the whole experience of chasing these majestic creatures, it's all about shooting that BIG BULL!!! I applied one time for a cow elk tag in ND, and I was SUCCESSFUL the first year I applied. So I don't buy into this "I'm never going to get a ND elk tag in my lifetime, so something needs to be changed" garbage. If you want to hunt elk in ND, it's NOT that hard to get a cow tag. However, if a cow isn't good enough for you and you "CHOOSE" to go for a bull tag, that's your choice so deal with the realities. Furthermore, putting 500 bucks in a coffee can each year you are denied a tag would soon provide you with enough cash to go on a pretty good elk hunt in MT, CO, or Wyoming. My DIY elk hunt in MT cost about 2500 bucks door to door for 10 days. The system is fine just the way it is. Bash Away Boys!!!

Agreed. I got impatient last year after 16 years or so (I'm 33) so I put in for a cow and got drawn first try. I figure if I want a trophy bull I can go to MT, CO or WY. Landowners that I talked to over the summer and fall were great. Ended up shooting a cow on public land, but that was after weeks of hunting private stuff. Also in person introductions go a long way vs. faceless phone calls. And ND cow elk are delicious.

 

[Bowhunter_24]

Agreed. I got impatient last year after 16 years or so (I'm 33) so I put in for a cow and got drawn first try. I figure if I want a trophy bull I can go to MT, CO or WY. Landowners that I talked to over the summer and fall were great. Ended up shooting a cow on public land, but that was after weeks of hunting private stuff. Also in person introductions go a long way vs. faceless phone calls. And ND cow elk are delicious.

I see it the other way. ND is one of the best places in the world to shoot a trophy bull. If I want to shoot an elk (cow) bad enough I will go to MT, CO or WY.

By the way I'm not complaining about the current ways. I like having a random chance every year.