"Excess" Corp lands above 1620 in Emmons and Morton Counties to Private Owners

[Davey Crockett]

Which one was it? The daily visable satellite one?

Yes

 

[dean nelson]

Pretty cloudy over most of the u.s.a. today.

http://ge.ssec.wisc.edu/modis-today/

 

[Davey Crockett]

All that talk about millionaires and $100 Bbl oil that was here to stay brought out the true colors in a lot of people.

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Thanks Dean. You got me interested in maps and mapping. I'm about as far on the dumb end of the mapping stick as you can get but I want to learn.

 

[PrairieGhost]

I was reading a little history about Teddy Roosevelt today. I didn't realize North Dakota once had a National Forest. We have already lost some public license land. The National Forest that Roosevelt established is now the Logging Camp Ranch. I'm so surprised it's posted. Drove by it yesterday.

Dakota National Forest established November 25, 1908. Now you can pay to camp or rent cabins. I think they were outfitters at o email time. Maybe still are, I don't know. Any time we give land back you can say good by to any use of it unless your wallet will get you on.
Ever notice how outfitters have a free kids day? Ever hear about drug dealers giving kids a free taste?

 

[gst]

plainsamn you never did answer when the last time you attended a legislative hearing on an issue that mattered to you.

We still have National forests here in ND. Have you ever been by Denbigh?

Teddy Roosevelt would have gotten along quite well with Bernie Sanders discussing their Socialist views.

http://timashby.com/teddy-roosevelts-socialist-party-platform/

How much bigger govt do you want plainsman?

Most true conservatives I know want to shrink all aspects of govt.

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Interesting read here palinsman,

http://www.theodorerooseveltcenter.org/Blog/2011/February/01-The-US-Forest-Service-is-Established.aspx

I wonder what Roosevelt would think of mining, logging and grazing being forced off the lands by the USFS he created?

People banter about Teddys "legacy" without including much of the truth behind it.

"Today in 1905, the United States Forest Service officially came into existence under the Department of Agriculture. Gifford Pinchot, head of the forestry division of the DoA, had been advocating for more control over the federal forests and grasslands and was supported heartily by Theodore Roosevelt. With the establishment of the Forest Service, Pinchot finally had the control needed to start implementing many of the forestry policies for which he advocated including scientific management of forests, controlled logging in national forests and controlled grazing rights for farmers and ranchers. Pinchot and Roosevelt often were at odds with staunch conservationists such as John Muir who wanted to ban logging and commercial use of national lands entirely.Pinchot and the Forest Service instead developed relationships with timber companies, ranchers and farmers to plan the sustainability of the forest reserves while still providing a growing nation with the raw materials it needed to expand. The Forest Service of today still maintains those principles as it works “to manage national forests for additional multiple uses and benefits and for the sustained yield of renewable resources such as water, forage, wildlife, wood, and recreation.” Today’s national forests include more than 190 million acres of land, an area roughly the size of Texas, clearly a legacy of which both Roosevelt and Pinchot would be proud"

 

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FYI the forest by Denbigh is State owned. It was supposed to be part of a grand plan that failed rather fast.

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My bad. My info is very outdated. It has since been transferred back to Federal management.

 

[eyexer]

this whole land transfer thing is a done deal. politicians don't listen to us peasants and the corp does what the hell it wants to. they answer to no one.

 

[gst]

People complain legislators don;t listen. Most often these people never bother taking the time to make a difference by showing up.

People will take a sick day cause they're hung over, take a vacation day to go fishing but who takes a day to go testify on something they believe in?

The Founders did not give us a form of govt that we could put on auto pilot. They knew it would require an informed and involved citizenry. Tomorrow is a day we honor those that paid the ultimate price to give us that opportunity...........take a moment to consider that.

Some on here are consistant in complaining the legislators are bought and paid for or ignore the people. But look to what happened when certain votes have been taken right to the people themselves thru the initiated measure.

M 5 was a perfect example. A VAST majority of the people of this state sent a message. These people are not stupid, gullible individuals.
Most people here in MD can still see thru the bullshit no matter what side it comes from. So maybe the legislators ARE listening to the people here in ND.

And if some are not..........we have the ability to replace them with some one that will........yet.

 

[Bret]

I don't thing it is a done deal at all when Sen. Hoeven's office said to the Tribune that there is no consensus to make the lands private. The only motive for this from Rep. Jim Schmidt was to make the land private so he could get his families land back. If Sen. Hoeven is not willing to do that to the public, then there won't be a transfer.

 

[Trip McNeely]

gst. this bill has already been voted down in our state legislature. meaning the people of nd dont want it. weve called, emailed and let our local reps know. now this. these same legislators are the ones introducing bills that would allow more nr waterfowlers and let them hunt the entire season. they have no respect for there fellow north dakotans and i hopw that this shines clearly now as they continue to push this issue behind the curtain with the governor.

 

[gst]

But yet the people of their district elect them. Perhaps there are those in their district that want the things you do not.

It seems from what Tim has shared there may be a grass roots impact on this and legislators are actually listening.

Every change of guard in politics opens the door for this kind of thing. It is human nature and the nature of politics.

It really isn;t much different than Dirty Sen Harry Reid and his sons making deals with the Chinese and campaign donors and using a Federal agency to accomplish their end game.

We the people should all know this by now to be vigilant. Tim and others were and people are speaking out and perhaps it is making an impact.

That is how the system we have is supposed to work.

 

[PrairieGhost]

Your right gst and things like this also teach us that we have politicians just like Dingy Harry. The only difference is locals are much cheaper to bribe. The Chinese could get one of our legislators for pennies on the dollar. Buy a little wheat and they would switch loyalty.

 

[gst]

plainsman that is the kind of answer I would expect from someone that bashes ag every chance they get and doesn't take the time to actually go to the legislature and speak with his representatives.

Here is something to think about. Trip mentioned NR hunters. Do you suppose any of the people pushing for these seasons regulations have DU memberships? :;:stirthepot

The fact is there are people within the districts of these legislators that approach them to advocate for these bills. You may not like the bill, others may not like them, but some people do and they speak with their legislators and these legislators from their districts take that to the rest of the legislature.

They are actually doing their job. It is yours and my responsibility to be watchful of what they do and speak out when we are opposed to something and when we support something.

Plainsman, when is the last time you attended a legislative hearing on an issue you are opposed to or support and testified?

Hell even just being there when you sign in you mark down for or against so you don;t even have to testify.

Perhaps it is easier just whining on three different outdoor websites without actually showing up and being involved in the process.

I doubt that is what the Founders had in mind.

 

[PrairieGhost]

I don't have the bucks to run to the legislature every time they do something stupid, nor do I have someone to pay my way. I do call. I don't call every time they make fools of themselves or I would be on the phone all of the time.
Our legislature doesn't represent our people all that well. I have seen things that tick most people off get passed by our legislature. I often say we have a two party system, perverts and money worshipers. Our legislature is run by the money worshipers. The fix is in and groups like Farmers Union and Farm Bureau are always again st sportsmen. A hunter who supports either group isn't that bight. We need term limits right here in North Dakota.
I am always amazed at how politicians retire so rich. How do they do that? There are more thieves in our legiature than in the State Penitentiary.

 

[gst]

Once again, the predictable response from someone that does not take the time or effort to show up.

In your retirement from govt. plainsman, you travel far more than many people do. And yet even on one issue, you do not make the effort to travel to Bismarck to have your voice directly heard by those considering these bills.

Our state legislators by enlarge do good work. They are not perverts, theives or money worshipers. And when people make blanket statements like that they only show their own ignorance. And then they foolishly wonder why a legislator may not have much time to listen to them if they do call or email. That is simply fools rhetoric.

I do not agree with what some have for ideals or positions but I can voice my opposition and perhaps get things changed. That is the way it should be.

The simple fact of the matter is at the state level if these legislators are not representing a majority of the people in their district that vote they will not get re elected if We the people do our jobs.

 

[PrairieGhost]

Our state legislators by enlarge do good work. They are not perverts, theives or money worshipers. And when people make blanket statements like that they only show their own ignorance. And then they foolishly wonder why a legislator may not have much time to listen to them if they do call or email. That is simply fools rhetoric.

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I think they do good work for the lobbyist offering the most benefits to them. Some people cry about our fed gov, but then brag up state. They are both corrupt. Our attitude changes only if we already have our rep in our pocket. This land grab we are talking about is no different than turning over public land to other states. Now that it is hitting close to home maybe people will pay more attention. A silver lining to every cloud I guess. Maybe if we don't like this maybe we should care about huge losses that could occur in Utah, Nevada, Arizona, Alaska, and the list goes on. Trump may let oil and mining rip our public land to shreds, but at least it will still be there and not in greedy private hands.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

Plainsman makes it obvious he hates our "elected" Representatives. His hero's are naturalists, botanists and environmentalist like John Muir, John Burrows, Leupold and George Grinnell.

So how did they get their start? Who funded them? Who paid for the studies? Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction. It was the very money worshipers Plains claims to hate.

This a very interesting read on people of influence, the making of America and world politics. Follow the money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Averell_Harriman

During the summer of 1899, Harriman's father organized the Harriman Alaska Expedition, a philanthropic-scientific survey of coastal Alaska and Russia that attracted 25 of the leading scientific, naturalist, and artist luminaries of the day, including John Muir, John Burroughs, George Bird Grinnell, C. Hart Merriam, Grove Karl Gilbert, and Edward Curtis, along with 100 family members and staff, aboard the steamship George Elder. Young Harriman would have his first introduction to Russia, a nation on which he would spend a significant amount of attention in his later life in public service.
He attended Groton School in Massachusetts before going on to Yale where he joined the Skull and Bones society.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP]:127,150–1[/SUP] He graduated in 1913. After graduating, he inherited the largest fortune in America and became Yale's youngest Crew coach.

Again, it is an interesting read about people who influenced the outcome of where we are today. As for me, I think I'll stick with our elected State Representatives over persons who control everything from the top down.

Plainsman calls the democrats perverts and the Republicans money worshipers. The world is not that simple.

 

[dean nelson]

We need an emoji of a person watching a tennis match or maybe a flag that can be put on a thread that says something like current location of the GST vs Plainsmen never ending battle move along to other threads until the battle arrives there.

 

[gst]

plainsman, you go ahead and keep posting rhetoric like that on these sites. Copy and pasting that to emails sent legislators is waaaaaay cheaper than buying them.

 

[gst]

[h=3]Re: The truth[/h] by Habitat Hugger » Wed May 25, 2016 8:30 am
Good Grief Plainsman! If you insist on posting 100% political stuff, at least take it to some political website. Or at least post some stuff that is accurate.