Lindner and Sternberg Talk Slot Limits

[johnr]

I'd rather hear about it, than join my wife's grandma on faggotbook. ...haha

 

[svnmag]

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[johnr]

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Huh?

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Ma, is that you

 

[Vollmer]

 

[lunkerslayer]

I guess V its much easier to comprehend what are some big factors to why there seems to be less fry not making it to adulthood. Same information this guy is talking about, DNR also talks about the water clarity of mille lacs may also be contributing to lower numbers since larger predators like Pike feed during the day time. The aquatic invasive plant Eurasian milfoil chokes out of native plants and the water spiny flea which smaller fish like perch and ciscoes don't feed on this insect. Also with more development of cabins shore line doesn't hold native plants like cattails. Oh and Zebra Mussels

 

[snow]

As in the walleye habitat in lake erie the small mille lacs walleye population will make due with the zebs,keep in mind lake erie has the largest walleye poplation in the country est@ over 70million strong in spawning bio mass and is covered with zebs...

Now after mille lacs was shut down for walleye fishing aug1st 2015 and public out cry,the state has decided to build a hatchery and start stocking the big lake using our fishing license money and charging the public a fee for a walleye stamp even tho the state has a right to intervene in the name of conservation to save our natural resource all this while the tribes continue to pilage the lake during spawn.

Again,we have no issues with our ojibwe netting to maintain culture and religion purposes,they've been doing it for generations w/o issues,but we have 6 tribes from wisc that are creating this issue after they desimated they're ceded territory lakes all through wisc.It goes much deeper than this,this tribal sovereignty is running rampit nationally while we non natives continue to pay the price.

 

[lunkerslayer]

Since Snow refuses to see the facts

Why so confident? Here's the logic: If Indian nets were disrupting the spawn, walleyes wouldn't be reproducing well. However, several indices the DNR uses to estimate how well walleye are spawning show that reproduction for the last 15 years is actually better than the previous 15 years, when Indians weren't netting.

The indices are the results from DNR research gillnets that have collected fish for 30 years each fall in dozens of locations. One series of nets targets adult fish and another targets smaller forage. Both nets catch juvenile walleye hatched during the prior two years. Another method involves electro-fishing, where crews in the fall run an electrical field through the water, and collect stunned fish, including small walleye hatched the previous spring. All these methods reveal the same thing: The number of walleye hatching isn't too low and hasn't gone down since the netting started.

 

[snow]

Well lunker,that's what some in the dnr are suggesting and we're not buying it,I've been in this battle since it started in the mid 80's in wisc, when things heated up in 1992 here in Mn,its easy for someone to read the feel good stories from the outside that haven't a clue what the real story issue is here,for example lunker,lets take upper red lake for an example as it wasn't that long ago the state shut it down for 10years while we non natives payed the price to restock,keep in mind we non natives can only fish1/3rd of upper red and off limits to lower red,"How did this happen you say?" greed from the red lake tribe commercial fishing the lake,infact I have leech ;lake tribal members show me pics when they were hired to net red lake and were paid bounty for so many lbs of walleye,it took 13yrs for red lake to collasps from their commercial fishery operation when it opened,we're pushing 15yrs here with strick regs and slots against sport fishing who pays the price.



We see the facts lunker,how about this data,unlike what you read the true facts of the walleye spawning bio mass in mille lacs was 3.3million strong in 1999 when the netting started,by 2012 this # dropped to 1,5 million,so your info is off target and out in left field,today this is lower yet even after the two late ice outs we had in 2012/2013 and no nets which showed a huge rebound of these two year class fish.


sitting in nodak making assumptions why we are in this state of collasps is easyremember our dnr won't address the real issue as the tribe donates millions of $$$ casino $$$ to dems here, it does;'nt take a 4yr degree to see whats happening,our lake is @ a 40yr walleye spawning bio mass low and it all started in 1999.Most of this data available on our dnr website.

 

[lunkerslayer]

Snow to be able to argue your point liar liar pants on fire doesn't work, also leaving out certain crucial points to your argument leaves to many holes from lack of all the facts. I will give you another shot to prove your argument with backed up statistics as wells as hard nosed facts. You have to prove that gill nets is the #1 problem from over harvest. When I have read up on other articles stating the opposite.

 

[Captain Ahab]

Lunker said he blocked me. Let's see.

Lunkerslayer is the biggest horses' ass ever to grace the internet. He should pull his bottom lip over the top of his water head and swallow.

That should be sufficient.

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Lunker eats cat poop out of the litter box and enjoys a visit from the Village People.

 

[svnmag]

Huh?

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Ma, is that you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TbtTaHrIHI

 

[Captain Ahab]

His "exit only" hole is a "enter mostly" hole.

 

[johnr]

the truest form of racism that exists, is a different set of rules for Americans and a different set or lack there of for Native Americans.

to set the playing field level and quit suppressing Americans, we need to rid ourselves of the label prior to American. you are either just a straight up American, or you are not. The rules for a African American cant be different than the rules of a native American

 

[svnmag]

Village People?!!

 

[Captain Ahab]

If Moses was looking for a pair, he would wonder where the other water headed, inbred, hermaphrodite was located.

 

[lunkerslayer]

Kurtr read the article blaming one doesn't rule out the rest of the given factors to a much bigger problem. I am just saying let's stop pointing a finger at just one problem. I agree shutting down netting during spawning could be a way to help or DNR could just stock the lake with fry as well.

Still ^^^^^

 

[Captain Ahab]

the truest form of racism that exists, is a different set of rules for Americans and a different set or lack there of for Native Americans.

to set the playing field level and quit suppressing Americans, we need to rid ourselves of the label prior to American. you are either just a straight up American, or you are not. The rules for a African American cant be different than the rules of a native American

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrxZRuL65wQ

 

[johnr]

Valid video

 

[lunkerslayer]

Ron Schara wonders if we’ve learned anything, given walleye management on Mille Lacs: –Walleye at a 40-year low “thanks to the DNR's miscalculated ‘safe harvest’ figures;” –Nobody at the DNR fired or transferred; and –Nothing from the Legislature to help hard-hit businesses around Mille Lacs.

He notes that “DNR Fisheries officials finally admitted their excessive harvest quotas aimed at 15- to 18-inch walleyes was a huge error” that gave us the current situation.

But “making Mille Lacs healthy again will be painful for all concerned.” Shara writes that "It wasn’t just tribal netting, by itself that decimated the walleyes in Lake Mille Lacs." Tribes with treaty rights have nothing to gain hurting the lake or its anglers.

Recently the Fond du Lac Band–at the request of the Bois Forte Band–agreed not to net and spear walleyes in Lake Vermilion this spring, even though they had the right. The Bois Forte wanted to keep Vermilion known for its tourism opportunities, not for its tribal netting. The request bolstered the Bois Forte's reputation as “good neighbors.”

Which Schara considered to be good news—and another lesson: “The goodwill of the Lake Vermilion community–its tourism business and all–is considered too important to risk for a few walleye dinners.”

For Schara, treaty rights “are not the issue. The issue is gill nets. It doesn't matter who sets them.”

He points out that lessons were learned from netting on Red Lake and commercial netting on Lake of the Woods and Rainy Lake. Now those lakes have “returned to walleye glory, aided by state and tribal leadership.”

Schara’s key point: “the comeback of world-class walleye fishing did not occur until the walleye nets were eliminated or severely controlled.”

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DNR is mandated by the protocols to manage the lake in order to meet the quotas. That means their well paid/educated experts don't get a chance to biologically manage the lake.

The DNR doesn't have the tools to deal with protocols overriding biology. So they are left with using fishing pressure and mortality rate to meet specific quotas based on estimates that have a 20 to 30 percent margin of error.

Solutions?

Steve believes the only change that will have an impact is to change the protocols. That means going back to analyze, and possibly re-negotiate, the protocols. It's not about re-negotiating the treaty, it's about reexamining the protocols. But "That is where it has to start."


Looks to me the DNR is to blame for mismanagement of resources, doesn't this sound familiar with are own problems with the NDGF deer harvest.

 

[Sum1]

Sum1 is a dum1 ;:;boohoo;:;blahblah:;:deadhorse yeah write a letter to someone who cares I sent a email to keep guides out of NWR I do you ;:;blahblah

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Kind of like when you vote the only way you can whine about change is if you vote those who don't have no horse in the race. Give it a rest already

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Who brought the zebra mussels to mille lacs you don't think zebra mussels have any effect on walleye reproduction. Read the article comes right from the horses mouth DNR

http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/ne...ned-all-walleye-unraveling-mille-lacs-mystery

You mad bro?