My hunting buddy took first place in law enforcement sniper competition. One guy was on secret service presidential detail for a year, and another took national two years. They were shooting Robars made in Phoenix, Arizona, and American optics scopes. Know what he beat them with? A Savage. :;:stirthepot I think I put a thousand rounds a year down range beyond 1000 yards. Show up at my house and my friend and I will try find a day to take you out for zip, nada, nothing.