M3, yea or nay?

[701FishSlayer]

She might pass, she might not. I think it will be real close. Starting October 29 you are sposed to be able to get the medical card bs started with a dr. Believe you need your dr to write a reccomendation, then you can apply or get the card. Im not sure of the process exactly. I don't think there will be a dispensary in my town though, haven't heard nothing yet. I think I'm gunna give it a go though and get some boobonic chronic once she's open. It's better than the 224 10mg vicoden a month drs had me on which turned me into a medically created pill addict over time. The pills went on for about 5 years, drs always upping my dosage. In the end, I was so sick, i was simply taking pills to stay well. I prayed to jesus to make the shit stop as I was down on my knees begging for death. I was down to about 160 pounds at the time. I now weigh bout 250 again. I prayed for death i was so sick. Begged my wife to take the kid n leave me. I took the last bottle of vicoden and threw it in the garbage. Then, I went to war with the withdrawals. You don't know what sick is until your commited to the psycho ward unwillingly. All from dr prescribed pills.

Do you know how much a hospital stay of about a month costs with no insurance? I do.

 

[Obi-Wan]

She might pass, she might not. I think it will be real close. Starting October 29 you are sposed to be able to get the medical card bs started with a dr. Believe you need your dr to write a reccomendation, then you can apply or get the card. Im not sure of the process exactly. I don't think there will be a dispensary in my town though, haven't heard nothing yet. I think I'm gunna give it a go though and get some boobonic chronic once she's open. It's better than the 224 10mg vicoden a month drs had me on which turned me into a medically created pill addict over time. The pills went on for about 5 years, drs always upping my dosage. In the end, I was so sick, i was simply taking pills to stay well. I prayed to jesus to make the shit stop as I was down on my knees begging for death. I was down to about 160 pounds at the time. I now weigh bout 250 again. I prayed for death i was so sick. Begged my wife to take the kid n leave me. I took the last bottle of vicoden and threw it in the garbage. Then, I went to war with the withdrawals. You don't know what sick is until your commited to the psycho ward unwillingly. All from dr prescribed pills.

Do you know how much a hospital stay of about a month costs with no insurance? I do.

https://nddispensaries.com/bismarck-nd-marijuana-cannabis-mmj-cbd-dr-clinics/

 

[Obi-Wan]

Looks like there is one yes vote that will be preoccupied and not voting in November. He was probably trying to get ahead of the competition and be ready if 3 passes

https://www.kfyrtv.com/content/news...e-of-a-child-growing-marijuana-498804821.html

 

[CatDaddy]

Looks like there is one yes vote that will be preoccupied and not voting in November. He was probably trying to get ahead of the competition and be ready if 3 passes

https://www.kfyrtv.com/content/news...e-of-a-child-growing-marijuana-498804821.html

Yes, you are right. People who grow weed are also capable of sexual abuse. So are meth, alcohol, opioid, cocaine users...So are many people who have never used a drug in their life. It takes a mentally sick person to do something like this.

Your point Obi? I don't have time to post all the other stories of sexual abuse that relate to every situation. They are very easy to find though on the interweb if you're so inclined. On the flip side, I also don't have time to list all the business owners, lawyers, doctors, border patrol agents, teachers, managers who are upstanding citizens who indulge in MJ but aren't sexual predators.

The common denominator in molestation is a sick, sick person. Period.

He was most likely growing to fund a larger habit or endeavor. He is a bad, bad man. Take him out of the equation by opening stores where legally grown MJ can be bought and he'll lose the funding for his evil. MJ didn't make him do what he did. Why would you buy from Chester the Molester when you can go to a reputable store and choose from multiple, high quality strains that meet your need, either medically or recreationally? People don't go to Colorado to find some trailer park asshole....they go to dispensaries.

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She might pass, she might not. I think it will be real close. Starting October 29 you are sposed to be able to get the medical card bs started with a dr. Believe you need your dr to write a reccomendation, then you can apply or get the card. Im not sure of the process exactly. I don't think there will be a dispensary in my town though, haven't heard nothing yet. I think I'm gunna give it a go though and get some boobonic chronic once she's open. It's better than the 224 10mg vicoden a month drs had me on which turned me into a medically created pill addict over time. The pills went on for about 5 years, drs always upping my dosage. In the end, I was so sick, i was simply taking pills to stay well. I prayed to jesus to make the shit stop as I was down on my knees begging for death. I was down to about 160 pounds at the time. I now weigh bout 250 again. I prayed for death i was so sick. Begged my wife to take the kid n leave me. I took the last bottle of vicoden and threw it in the garbage. Then, I went to war with the withdrawals. You don't know what sick is until your commited to the psycho ward unwillingly. All from dr prescribed pills.

Do you know how much a hospital stay of about a month costs with no insurance? I do.

Sorry for your struggles 701. As a former addiction counselor I can say there is nothing more difficult to watch than an opioid addict withdrawing. Alcohol withdrawl is right there too.

Does anyone else find it ironic that it took 2 years for medical MJ to become reality and the date that you are supposed to be able to get the card started is 8 days before a vote on recreational?

 

[eyexer]

8 days until you can get the card started. I’m guessing it’ll be a hell of a lot longer if ever to actually get the weed.

 

[Davey Crockett]

Does anyone else find it ironic that it took 2 years for medical MJ to become reality and the date that you are supposed to be able to get the card started is 8 days before a vote on recreational?

October surprise

 

[CatDaddy]

October surprise

Haha, sounds like a new strain of MJ! Eases the pain of all legislative bullshit.

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My little town of 2500 people has many signs up in yards, both for and against M3. 60% for, 40% against by my informal poll. Pretty ballsy to put a "vote yes" sign for all to see. Your neighbors now "know" you must smoke pot. And yes, I've even seen signs that are pro-Cramer next to "Yes on M3".

Brave and much appreciated. Thank you!

 

[701FishSlayer]

North Dakota should pattent its own strain. Call it North Dakota Creeper, takes 2 years to hit ya.

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When medical is here, how many days until they run out? That article in the bisman tribune said they are limited to the number of plants they can grow. Literally every state has run into the same issue. When they launch, they run out because the demand is nuts.

 

[CatDaddy]

North Dakota should pattent its own strain. Call it North Dakota Creeper, takes 2 years to hit ya.

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When medical is here, how many days until they run out? That article in the bisman tribune said they are limited to the number of plants they can grow. Literally every state has run into the same issue. When they launch, they run out because the demand is nuts.

No, no, no.....don't worry. It's not beneficial to folks. No need to worry! :::

 

[Kurtr]

She might pass, she might not. I think it will be real close. Starting October 29 you are sposed to be able to get the medical card bs started with a dr. Believe you need your dr to write a reccomendation, then you can apply or get the card. Im not sure of the process exactly. I don't think there will be a dispensary in my town though, haven't heard nothing yet. I think I'm gunna give it a go though and get some boobonic chronic once she's open. It's better than the 224 10mg vicoden a month drs had me on which turned me into a medically created pill addict over time. The pills went on for about 5 years, drs always upping my dosage. In the end, I was so sick, i was simply taking pills to stay well. I prayed to jesus to make the shit stop as I was down on my knees begging for death. I was down to about 160 pounds at the time. I now weigh bout 250 again. I prayed for death i was so sick. Begged my wife to take the kid n leave me. I took the last bottle of vicoden and threw it in the garbage. Then, I went to war with the withdrawals. You don't know what sick is until your commited to the psycho ward unwillingly. All from dr prescribed pills.

Do you know how much a hospital stay of about a month costs with no insurance? I do.

holy shit are 6’7 and an ex oline man. 250 is some Brock lesnar type body. How did you get hurt pushing 600 on the bench

 

[Obi-Wan]

https://bismarcktribune.com/news/st...5ec26996.html#tracking-source=home-the-latest

MINOT — Law enforcement and addiction professionals spoke out at a Minot news conference Friday against Measure 3, warning of what they say are dangers of recreational marijuana.

"This isn't about limiting liberties. It is really about protecting our quality of life," Kristie Spooner said, chairperson of Healthy & Productive North Dakota Against Measure 3. "North Dakotans would do well to step back and look at the experiences of other states – increased substance use, more impaired, drugged drivers on the roads, marketing of edibles to children and teens and thriving black markets. Is that what we want to see in North Dakota?"

"Growing large amounts, possessing large amounts and selling large amounts of marijuana is not something our state is ready for," Berthold Police Chief Al Schmidt said. He said overall drug trafficking would increase, as would crime and child abuse and neglect.


"North Dakota is one of the safest places to live, and it's always been something we could be proud of. That could change dramatically when narcotic traffickers and users flood to our state to purchase hundreds of pounds of marijuana. Our traffic fatalities would double. This is shown, because it happened in Colorado," he said, referring to one state that has legalized marijuana.

Burke County Sheriff Jeremy Grohs said passage of the measure will make the job of law enforcement officers difficult because it would conflict with federal drug laws that his department also must enforce.

It was noted at the news conference that use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under federal law, which prohibits a user from owning a firearm. Providing false information on a firearm application is a felony.

Grohs added he has concerns about gang and drug activity.

"I strongly feel that we are going to end up having issues with the cartels and the large marijuana and drug industries," he said.

The bill's author, David Owen of Grand Forks, argued at a Measure 3 discussion in Minot Wednesday that the measure's liberal language discourages any incentive for large, out-of-state interests to come to North Dakota. He said the bill was written to encourage local growers and markets. He also discredited reports of increased traffic fatalities, stating studies reflected poor data or failed to account for other circumstances.

Ward County State's Attorney Roza Larson spoke about the measure's requirement to expunge records of marijuana arrests and convictions, stating there's no way to easily locate those records.

"We have a 30-day deadline to expunge all those records. It's already setting law enforcement agencies and local governments up to fail because we will not be able to meet that 30-day deadline," she said.

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She added fixing problems in the measure, if passed, before it becomes effective on Dec. 6, would require a special session. A special session in 2016 was estimated to cost $58,000, she said.

"Measure 3 makes our jobs more difficult," Minot licensed addiction counselor Bob Hayes said. "It will obligate the legislators and other branches of government, as well as employers, schools and business owners, to spend millions fixing the problems created by Measure 3 and its threats to public health and safety."

He cited federal statistics showing 4.2 million Americans, ages 12 or older, met the criteria for substance use disorder based on marijuana use.

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"During the time I have worked in the field, I have personally witnessed many individuals who have become addicted to the THC in marijuana and the shattered lives and broken families that have been left behind," Hayes said. "We don't have enough resources in North Dakota to meet the current demand from those suffering from substance abuse disorders, let alone now proposing the legalization of recreational marijuana."

Spooner, director of First Step Recovery Center in Fargo, said the THC component in marijuana used to be about 4 percent in the 1990s. Through genetic modification of the plant, it is now more than 21 percent, and extracts can be as high as 99 percent, she said.

"Not everyone that tries marijuana is going to become addicted, but we know that there's that certain percentage of folks that are – that 9 to 10 percent," she said. "If people start before age 18, that doubles to about 17 percent."

As perceived risk of marijuana goes down, use increases, she added.

"There's been a 65 percent increase in first-time users in Colorado," she said. "Just in September, a study came out that said we have 8,300 new marijuana users every day."

Addiction professionals participating in or attending the news conference said they are unaware of studies cited by proponents indicating that marijuana legalization reduces opioid use and can help with drug treatment.

Hayes said studies have been contradictory on marijuana, and the National Institutes of Health recently released an article saying there's nothing conclusive. However, he said, he's never read that use of one psycho-active drug discourages use of another psycho-active drug.

 

[CatDaddy]

https://bismarcktribune.com/news/st...5ec26996.html#tracking-source=home-the-latest

"North Dakota is one of the safest places to live, and it's always been something we could be proud of. That could change dramatically when narcotic traffickers and users flood to our state to purchase hundreds of pounds of marijuana. Our traffic fatalities would double. This is shown, because it happened in Colorado," he said, referring to one state that has legalized marijuana.

Hayes said studies have been contradictory on marijuana, and the National Institutes of Health recently released an article saying there's nothing conclusive.

This article is full of facts spun to fit their ignorant agenda and scare tactics. Below is the American Journal of Public Health's study on crashes in legalized states.

She added fixing problems in the measure, if passed, before it becomes effective on Dec. 6, would require a special session. A special session in 2016 was estimated to cost $58,000

Hmm....How much do you think they've already spent in the 2 years of screwing the pooch on medical MJ? Seems like a drop in the bucket comparatively speaking. They likely wouldn't even be facing a potential special session had they done right by the people the first time.

Do you have any personal experience or are you just blindly looking for news that fits your agenda? I've lived in the addiction counseling world and seen so many people on opioids, alcohol, and MJ. Not even a comparison. Remember, not everything you read on the internet is true.

However, it IS coming. Lies or not.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jordan...-the-u-s-will-not-be-far-behind/#3dd7fdd2be56

Crash Study:
https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2017.303848

Objectives. To evaluate motor vehicle crash fatality rates in the first 2 states with recreational marijuana legalization and compare them with motor vehicle crash fatality rates in similar states without recreational marijuana legalization.
Methods. We used the US Fatality Analysis Reporting System to determine the annual numbers of motor vehicle crash fatalities between 2009 and 2015 in Washington, Colorado, and 8 control states. We compared year-over-year changes in motor vehicle crash fatality rates (per billion vehicle miles traveled) before and after recreational marijuana legalization with a difference-in-differences approach that controlled for underlying time trends and state-specific population, economic, and traffic characteristics.
Results. Pre–recreational marijuana legalization annual changes in motor vehicle crash fatality rates for Washington and Colorado were similar to those for the control states. Post–recreational marijuana legalization changes in motor vehicle crash fatality rates for Washington and Colorado also did not significantly differ from those for the control states (adjusted difference-in-differences coefficient = +0.2 fatalities/billion vehicle miles traveled; 95% confidence interval = −0.4, +0.9).
Conclusions. Three years after recreational marijuana legalization, changes in motor vehicle crash fatality rates for Washington and Colorado were not statistically different from those in similar states without recreational marijuana legalization. Future studies over a longer time remain warranted.

 

[Brian Renville]

You’d think after the first offense, the second wouldn’t be worthy of mention but I guess it is. The reporter must not be a M3 fan.

 

[Obi-Wan]

I never have been a doper but have witnessed what it can do to others. This was was law enforcement an addiction specialists what makes your opinion anymore credible than theirs?

 

[CatDaddy]

Not sure why you posted that article again. I've already responded to it.

My experience with lives of addicts goes much deeper than most LEO's. They only see a small glimpse, then lump all "druggies" together and that's the end of the story for them. I saw what really affected them, their motives, their struggles, their full addiction. Life destruction came from alcohol, opioids (pills and heroin), cocaine, and meth. In most cases, not MJ. Was MJ present for most? Yes. But the rest was not because of it.

I respect LEO and the job they have isn't enviable or easy. But they're not specialists in addiction. I am. So yes, I'd say I'm more qualified to speak on the entirety of the picture than most LEO.

And I cited 3 very respected national sources about the subjects you speak of. I'd say they are more qualified than Minot news, LEO, and addiction specialists.

 

[Achucker]

Cat do you acknowledge that addiction can be more than chemical? Mj give you a high or good feeling. I think the addiction to this will be people who are "weak" (for lack of a better term) to cope with lifes problems. I believe this will be the case with recreational mj. Same as gambling for some. This has a real risk and dont want to see my fellow north dakotans go down this path and have another legal tool to do so.

 

[CatDaddy]

Cat do you acknowledge that addiction can be more than chemical? Mj give you a high or good feeling. I think the addiction to this will be people who are "weak" (for lack of a better term) to cope with lifes problems. I believe this will be the case with recreational mj. Same as gambling for some. This has a real risk and dont want to see my fellow north dakotans go down this path and have another legal tool to do so.

Yes Chucker, I do acknowledge it. However, the same can be said for phone usage, work, etc. Many things have ruined relationships and lives. Look at "workaholics". Should we make work illegal because it may ruin someone's life when they choose to spend more time on that than their families? Is our low unemployment rate to blame for lives ruined? No. It's personal choice.

From a chemical standpoint, MJ is so much less ruinous than many prescription drugs, as well as other legal drugs such as alcohol. Weak people will make weak choices and there's not a law in the world that can stop it. My argument is: Why penalize the many who can benefit for the few who are going to make bad choices regardless of laws?

Should we ban guns because a few choose to make bad decisions when they have guns in their hands? Most here would say no. Yes, 2nd amendment. However, I'm pretty sure our forefathers were proponents of personal choice and personal responsibility....

 

[Enslow]

I would like to see someone go to recovery meetings like AA for MJ. You would get laughed out of the meeting. It’s hard to see nice people spread lies like I’m seeing on this thread.

 

[Davey Crockett]

Cat do you acknowledge that addiction can be more than chemical? Mj give you a high or good feeling. I think the addiction to this will be people who are "weak" (for lack of a better term) to cope with lifes problems. I believe this will be the case with recreational mj. Same as gambling for some. This has a real risk and dont want to see my fellow north dakotans go down this path and have another legal tool to do so.

What gives you and the government the right to choose what's best for your fellow North Dakotans ? This mentality sooner or later will lead you to the short end of the stick . I don't really care what party you claim but I'll show you what it appears to be.

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Some of you Republicans need to stop acting like far left Democrats .

 

[CatDaddy]

What gives you and the government the right to choose what's best for your fellow North Dakotans ? This mentality sooner or later will lead you to the short end of the stick . I don't really care what party you claim but I'll show you what it appears to be.



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Some of you Republicans need to stop acting like far left Democrats .

Exactly.