North Dakota Game Wardens Assc

[BX2]

How are we supposed to practice our running shots if we cant blow the hell out of a coyote with our deer rifles

 

[Walleye_Chaser]

I thought this was the law when hunting moose or elk in ND...nobody else in the group can carry a rifle over a certain caliber. Of course now I can't find it in the guide...damnit

 

[Captain Ahab]

I've never understood why party hinting is illegal. I know it is done in ND. If everyone in the party agrees to it I say go ahead. I know that no one will be shooting mine.

I think it's mainly because of the lottery system. There's already enough "Aunt Ethel" tags being filled by other family members the way it is.

 

[SupressYourself]

I was under the impression that it was already illegal to carry a rifle of any kind if you're accompanying a big game hunter, but I grew up in SD. From SDGFP:

"NONLICENSEES/ACCOMPANIMENT Firearm Big Game Licensee: No person possessing a firearm, including a muzzleloading firearm, or a bow and arrow may accompany a big game hunter in the field or cooperate as part of a big game hunting group unless the accompanying person possesses a big game license that is valid for the same geographic area and time of year as the licensee. This restriction does not apply to any person who is carrying a pistol and possesses a valid concealed pistol permit, nor does it apply to a person who is legally licensed to hunt small game (or exempt from license requirements as provided by SDCL 41-6-2) and hunting only with a shotgun using shotshells. A person hunting small game and accompanying a licensed firearm big game hunter in the field may not use dogs while accompanying a big game hunter."

 

[Kurtr]

me to. I dont walk or do the push big game thing so it is not a problem that has ever crossed my mind. Have went a bunch to glass for deer and not carry a weapon.

 

[Stan's Dad]

How about its my RIGHT to carry a weapon. Dont need a reason. Period.

 

[pluckem]

interesting challenge for wardens - can anyone suggest a way to make it easier to enforce/prevent party hunting?

Only way to curb it IMO is to up enforcement and up the fines associated with it.

Any other law will just be one of those types that hurts everyone because of the bad apples.

 

[gst]

Now that they can shoot a deer at the age of 11, I don't think I need to worry about that scenario. However, I am quite sure that happens (happened) often and I am not as opposed to that scenario as I am to Joe Shmoe that I just happen to be in the field with thinking he has the green light to shoot at anything brown because I will let him fill my tag.

To actually "party hunt", everyone in the "party" must be on the same page or what you are describing is simply an asshole hunting with you.

I have shot an elderly relatives deer for them who hunted with us for years but could no longer walk or even see well to shoot but rode in the pick up with us opening weekend. He was retired Navy living on a fixed income. We processed his deer for him and enjoyed the time and stories and memories.

Should I be fined for that?

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I think it's mainly because of the lottery system. There's already enough "Aunt Ethel" tags being filled by other family members the way it is.

If the tag is given out by the G&F do they not want them filled?

 

[Coyote Hunter]

I've never understood why party hinting is illegal. I know it is done in ND. If everyone in the party agrees to it I say go ahead. I know that no one will be shooting mine.

The problem is that if my wife (and kids, and aunt, and father, ect... get the point?) didn't hunt, I could put her/them in for tags... take her/them for a ride-along and shoot her/their deer. That would lower everybody's chances of drawing tags.

Also, my main problem with it would be fathers and uncles shooting a kid's buck for them. How much say does that kid have on whether they shoot his/her deer. It wrecks the next generation of hunters from taking up the sport. I know it, because I worked with a guy that didn't deer hunt for that reason, and his family owned some very nice deer hunting land. It sounds like Guywhofishes quit hunting for those same reasons.

I see no reason to allow party hunting. What is a valid reason for it?

 

[ndlongshot]

I've never heard of something so dumb. Nothing like accusing good people of illegal activity for no reason. Since there is NO reasonable explanation for carrying a rifle while others deer hunt. Give me a break. GnF is really on a role with taking away opportunities to make their jobs easier. Combine this with caving to SOCIAL pressure for one tag deer system and they are a bunch of winners.

Like caliber matters? Come'on.

 

[Walleye_Chaser]

I'm fairly certain that Game and Fish accounts for a certain percentage to never get filled each year. If every tag was filled we would see lowered amounts issued.

 

[Coyote Hunter]

To actually "party hunt", everyone in the "party" must be on the same page or what you are describing is simply an asshole hunting with you.

as I said, how much say does a kid have when it is a parent or uncle doing the shooting of the kid's tag?

I have shot an elderly relatives deer for them who hunted with us for years but could no longer walk or even see well to shoot but rode in the pick up with us opening weekend. He was retired Navy living on a fixed income. We processed his deer for him and enjoyed the time and stories and memories.

Should I be fined for that?

How many years ago was this? Did he have a buck tag? Did he even plan to try to shoot one? He could have rode along and enjoyed the time and stories and memories without having a tag that you were going to fill for him.

If he didn't plan on shooting the deer at all and you just put in for a tag for you to fill for him... then yes, you should be fined for it and maybe lose your hunting privileges for a year. You received 2 buck tags that year and someone did not draw a tag because of it. BTW, I would have less of a problem if it was a doe that was shot for him... if he was only wanting the meat.

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If the tag is given out by the G&F do they not want them filled?

They just tried going to a one-tag system because people can not draw tags... they do not need someone getting 2,3, or 4 extra "Aunt Ethel" tags.

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I've never heard of something so dumb. Nothing like accusing good people of illegal activity for no reason. Since there is NO reasonable explanation for carrying a rifle while others deer hunt. Give me a break. GnF is really on a role with taking away opportunities to make their jobs easier. Combine this with caving to SOCIAL pressure for one tag deer system and they are a bunch of winners.

Like caliber matters? Come'on.

I do agree, the idea of caliber restrictions being a law/rule is ridiculous!

So was the one tag system!

 

[gst]

The problem is that if my wife (and kids, and aunt, and father, ect... get the point?) didn't hunt, I could put her/them in for tags... take her/them for a ride-along and shoot her/their deer. That would lower everybody's chances of drawing tags.

You mean kinda like the once in a life time tags?

If a Dad is enough of an asshole to shoot his kids deer and make them tag it.......do you actually think he is following the law as it is written now?

My uncle lived in Florida at the time before he moved back here and put in and paid for his own nonresident tag. He has been dead for several years now. As I said they lived on a fixed retired military income and traveled to ND back to family for visiting and filling his tag for the meat. We usually sent a couple deers worth of meat back with him paying for the shipping ourselves.

Why does it matter if it was a buck or a doe.........

They tried going to a one tag system because people that did not bow hunt were whining about others getting more than one tag.

 

[deactivated]

To actually "party hunt", everyone in the "party" must be on the same page or what you are describing is simply an asshole hunting with you.

I have shot an elderly relatives deer for them who hunted with us for years but could no longer walk or even see well to shoot but rode in the pick up with us opening weekend. He was retired Navy living on a fixed income. We processed his deer for him and enjoyed the time and stories and memories.

Should I be fined for that?

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If the tag is given out by the G&F do they not want them filled?

Yes. You should be fined.

 

[Allen]

To actually "party hunt", everyone in the "party" must be on the same page or what you are describing is simply an asshole hunting with you.

I have shot an elderly relatives deer for them who hunted with us for years but could no longer walk or even see well to shoot but rode in the pick up with us opening weekend. He was retired Navy living on a fixed income. We processed his deer for him and enjoyed the time and stories and memories.

Should I be fined for that?

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If the tag is given out by the G&F do they not want them filled?

I believe there is a legal way for you to shoot someone else's deer. Especially if that were a gratis tag.

And no, the NDGF doesn't want every tag issued to be filled. They want roughly the same percentage of tags filled each year. I think from their perspective, if party hunting were legal and became even more prevalent, they would see an even higher percentage of tags filled. Which in turn would require them to lower the actual number of tags issued, taking away both opportunity for hunters to hunt, and revenue.

 

[KDM]

NO to party hunting. Is hunting about the hunt or the KILL??? Seems to me a large number of folks who like party hunting are probably more interested in killing more deer instead of HUNTING for deer. More negative aspects of party hunting in an open habitat like ND than there are positives IMO. Party hunting equals more deer taken. MN proves that. More deer taken equals fewer tags. That's just plain mathematics. Fewer tags results in more years between tags for everyone. Sorry, but I'm NOT on board with party hunting. NO to this notion of caliber restrictions in an effort to curb party hunting as well. There will always be those who shoot others deer. It's already illegal to party hunt and more regs will just punish those who still want to enjoy hunting with friends and family and prevent nothing. Hunting is a management tool to keep deer populations in check so these few ignoramuses who shoot a few extras illegally, will even out in the end IMO. Now increasing the penalty for party hunting....I can see me getting behind something like that.

 

[Bfishn]

I say leave the law the way it is, but stiffen the fines for party hunting big game. I honestly don't know anybody that lets others shoot their deer for them these days, but i'm sure it does happen. The biggest issue are people applying for tags for every member of their family and then shooting all their deer for them, that i do have an issue with and should be heavily fined.

 

[Captain Ahab]

To actually "party hunt", everyone in the "party" must be on the same page or what you are describing is simply an asshole hunting with you.

I have shot an elderly relatives deer for them who hunted with us for years but could no longer walk or even see well to shoot but rode in the pick up with us opening weekend. He was retired Navy living on a fixed income. We processed his deer for him and enjoyed the time and stories and memories.

Should I be fined for that?

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If the tag is given out by the G&F do they not want them filled?

You broke the law and would have been fined. The law doesn't know good intent from bad.

The G&F wants them filled by the person in whom it was issued.

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I say leave the law the way it is, but stiffen the fines for party hunting big game. I honestly don't know anybody that lets others shoot their deer for them these days, but i'm sure it does happen. The biggest issue are people applying for tags for every member of their family and then shooting all their deer for them, that i do have an issue with and should be heavily fined.

That's what I was referencing with the "Aunt Ethel" tags.

 

[Bowhunter_24]

party hunting would allow for less tag oppurtunities.

People with a bunch of family members who don't hunt would apply for tags for their family. Then the guy who has no family only gets one chance at the same tag. So the guy with family would get 5-10 chances at the same tag the other guy only gets 1 chance.

party hunting is dumb

plus if you can legally party hunt you can hunt a lot more places with one tag. You could have 5 people hunting a river bottom with one tag. Odds of killing a deer are way higher with 5 people than 1. In turn more deer are killed.

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these food pantries are dumb too. It costs you sometimes hundreds of dollars to "donate" a deer.

ndgf should make a list of people who want deer meat and let people give them their deer.

 

[ndlongshot]

Let me state, I think party hunting is terrible.

But not allowing a hunting buddy to carry a rifle (or larger caliber) because of what he "might" do? In the words of roger raglin, Jiminny Christmas!