North Dakota Game Wardens Assc

[Zogman]

Question!

Casey,

Remember, this is how we got the requirement to keep tags on mounts, or risk losing them. Along with that, you are also no longer able to pick up a dead skull. Thought behind that was we were going to go around shooting deer, leaving them lay, and then come back later and just tell everyone "looky what I found".

SMDH...

I have a 30 plus old mount that doesn't have a tag on. I am having it redone because it is in very poor shape. So am I subject to have it taken away???

 

[Twitch]

I just hunted with my Dad in the badlands this past weekend. I would never have shot his deer but I definitely carried a rifle. I carried it mainly so if his rifle malfunctioned I could hand him one that was hopefully working. That reason and the one that we were in cat country was enough reason for me to carry a rifle. Hopefully they don’t change the law

 

[db-2]

Other than my dad when I was young using my tag (that's why he had all the kids and I guess it was one of those life lessons I was to learn) it would have been and is a cold day in hell when someone would shoot a deer for my tag including my kids. If they did not have a tag they might come with me but did not deer hunt.
My tag when young was used every year and I think it was about the fifth year of hunting before I got to actually shoot a deer and use my tag on it. And it would be a cold day in hell before I shot any deer for someone else to tag including my kids.

I told my daughters when they left home and where on their own to be sure and tell the party you are with that you will shoot your own deer and they will shoot their deer before the hunt starts. And they were asked and they said no, you shot it you tag it. And then the person was upset and continue to hunt and not sure who would of tag one because my kids would not have.

You stop party hunting by keeping your tag for your own kill and your kill for your tag. And if I do not fill I do not expect anyone to fill for me. Got a lot of tags in a box at home with some round metal tag (might need them one day). db

 

[NDSportsman]

I've never understood why party hinting is illegal. I know it is done in ND. If everyone in the party agrees to it I say go ahead. I know that no one will be shooting mine.

Apparently you want even worse odds of drawing a tag?

You'd have asshats out there putting in tags for sister Betty Sue and Aunt Jemima who wouldn't know how to fricking load a gun much less kill a deer!

 

[Fishmission]

Aunt Jemima is a bad shot, trust me

 

[Allen]

Question!


I have a 30 plus old mount that doesn't have a tag on. I am having it redone because it is in very poor shape. So am I subject to have it taken away???

In theory, no. I don't think this rule which went in place around 2003 (??) was to put older mounts in jeopardy. At this point though, I put nothing past a LEO with a mission and a dumbass rule.

You hear about a set of antlers getting confiscated just about every year though at big buck contests, etc. People shoot deer, get worried the sticky tag will damage the aesthetics of the rack and remove tag prematurely. Badda bing, bada boom. It walks out the door with a new owner and a stern warning to the original owner.

I remember when the rule went into affect I was assured that they weren't going to use it as a tool to take away older mounts, but as far as I know there's never been anything codified that would prevent a warden from walking into any of our homes and confiscating mounts that are 20 years old. Seriously, how the hell would you prove it pre-dated the rule coming into effect? A dated picture from the 80s?

Without a pic of said deer with a date stamp, they can claim it's more modern and just take it.

And yes, I am damn sure if you email NDGF they'll tell you they have no interest in confiscating your deer, but if a warden were to visit your taxidermist and see the rack just laying around without a tag he or she is going to have some questions!

I don't like being subjected to someone else's subjective call.

zogman, if I were in your shoes this is something I would bring up with your taxidermist. He should know if there is a need for any documentation on something like an older mount that is being redone. And of course, NDGF would also be willing to clarify their current position as I haven't talked with anyone over there about this since the rule first came about and that's now been quite a few years. I take and put the original tag for the deer on the back of the mount using clear packing tape.

 

[Rowdie]

Let me state, I think party hunting is terrible.

But not allowing a hunting buddy to carry a rifle (or larger caliber) because of what he "might" do? In the words of roger raglin, Jiminny Christmas!

^^^^THIS^^^^ But I understand there are situations like GST admitted to where he shot a deer for an old guy that would have been very difficult for him to fill. Believe it or not some people could really use the meat. In college I depended on my 2 goats and 3 deer every year, and it really helped. So when 3 guys have 3 tags each and only one out of the 3 can be a buck. That's nine deer! And in SD the any deer tag (SD's buck tag) can be filled by a doe also. So yeah we party hunted, but never shot a buddies buck.

 

[db-2]

ndsportsman:

Tell me that's not so. db

 

[Coyote Hunter]

You mean kinda like the once in a life time tags?

If a Dad is enough of an asshole to shoot his kids deer and make them tag it.......do you actually think he is following the law as it is written now?

My uncle lived in Florida at the time before he moved back here and put in and paid for his own nonresident tag. He has been dead for several years now. As I said they lived on a fixed retired military income and traveled to ND back to family for visiting and filling his tag for the meat. We usually sent a couple deers worth of meat back with him paying for the shipping ourselves.

Why does it matter if it was a buck or a doe.........

They tried going to a one tag system because people that did not bow hunt were whining about others getting more than one tag.

GST... you are not do well in arguing your point.

So if a dad is an A-hole and shoots his kid's deer, we should change the law because he is not going to follow the law anyway??? That is some solid logic.

I don't care if he is on a fixed retired military income, I appreciate HIS service, but that doesn't give YOU any more right to shoot an extra buck. If he really wanted venison, sounds like you took care of it by sending a couple deers worth of meat back with him. However, you paying for the shipping doesn't give you the right to shoot two bucks.

 

[jdinny]

pretty sure most taxedrmist at least the two I have used currently an d years past will tape/staple the tag to the back of the mount. I'm sure we all have older mounts which that may not be he case but at least any within the last 10 years have them.

I don't even like taking pictures without tags as theres always that guy screaming about the tag not being on even if its a state that allows tags to the leg some "internet cop" will call out the tagless antlers.

 

[Coyote Hunter]

^^^^THIS^^^^ But I understand there are situations like GST admitted to where he shot a deer for an old guy that would have been very difficult for him to fill. Believe it or not some people could really use the meat. In college I depended on my 2 goats and 3 deer every year, and it really helped. So when 3 guys have 3 tags each and only one out of the 3 can be a buck. That's nine deer! And in SD the any deer tag (SD's buck tag) can be filled by a doe also. So yeah we party hunted, but never shot a buddies buck.

Rowdie,

GST's story is BS. If his uncle was so poor and living on a fixed income that he NEEDED that deer meat... it would have been a lot cheaper to buy beef than pay a non-resident fee to have someone shoot his buck. I am not buying it.

If his uncle truly bought the tag to come back and hunt with family and get some venison but was unable to fill his tag, that is unfortunate, but that is how life goes. You are buying a tag for the opportunity to hunt. If you want a guarantee to fill the freezer, go buy beef. We all face that decision.


P.S.
If you can't tell, I hate the idea of party hunting...

 

[Captain Ahab]

You mean kinda like the once in a life time tags?

If a Dad is enough of an asshole to shoot his kids deer and make them tag it.......do you actually think he is following the law as it is written now?

My uncle lived in Florida at the time before he moved back here and put in and paid for his own nonresident tag. He has been dead for several years now. As I said they lived on a fixed retired military income and traveled to ND back to family for visiting and filling his tag for the meat. We usually sent a couple deers worth of meat back with him paying for the shipping ourselves.

Why does it matter if it was a buck or a doe.........

They tried going to a one tag system because people that did not bow hunt were whining about others getting more than one tag.

If Uncle what's his name is too feeble to pull the trigger on his own deer, he should not be putting in for a tag. Pretty simple. He can still come along, share stories and take somebody else's meat back with him though.

 

[gonefshn]

It all depends on the mood of a warden when it comes to those fine rules. A couple guys in our pheasant party found that out this year. Rules say you need a leg and a wing attached. Why a fricken wing who knows. After all a spurred leg tells you it’s a rooster. For years we’ve always cleaned them by breasting and taking the legs. We always cut the left leg above the spur and right below. So each package has 2 breasts and 2 legs with all having the spur on the right leg. We get checked probably once every 3 or 4 years and have been doing this for 40 years this year. Many times the wardens would tell us what the rule says and let us know someday you might run into a Barney Fife who’ll give you a ticket. But we can see you didn’t violate and only have roosters. Well this year two friends ran into the Barney’s. They couldn’t give them real violations but did charge them $50 each. These guys had even put wings in the survey bags as they do each year and are two who fill out every GnF survey. Needless to say, they didn’t turn them in and I’m sure never will again. So, I guess I’m saying trust no one. If you have an old mount you need redone I’d call and make sure you have every I dotted and t crossed. Or you just might run into one of the Barneys who can’t think for themselves or have a quota (oops I guess they’re goals since quotas are illegal in ND).

 

[deactivated]

Rowdie,

GST's story is BS. If his uncle was so poor and living on a fixed income that he NEEDED that deer meat... it would have been a lot cheaper to buy beef than pay a non-resident fee to have someone shoot his buck. I am not buying it.

If his uncle truly bought the tag to come back and hunt with family and get some venison but was unable to fill his tag, that is unfortunate, but that is how life goes. You are buying a tag for the opportunity to hunt. If you want a guarantee to fill the freezer, go buy beef. We all face that decision.


P.S.
If you can't tell, I hate the idea of party hunting...

He said retired Navy so I can believe it. Had he said retired Marine then I would call BS. On a serious note, I would have no issues with the law being changed to match the youth hunting regulation. If I am walking brush for my relatives who have tags then I do not carry a gun. It is as simple as that.

 

[Walleye_Chaser]

At least carry a skatter gun. I want rooties!

 

[Rowdie]

Or just take it to SD. What if you move into state from a state that doesn't require tags attached. Sounds to me this law is subject to be unlawful to our constitution.

 

[Captain Ahab]

Back to the OP, I see no use for caliber carry rule. Like mentioned, if in cat country you may want to power to harvest a big lion or you only have one rifle(ha ha for most). Besides, what would the caliber be limited to? If it was .22, a guy could still whack a deer with 22-250 and so on.

If they want to discourage it, just raise the party hunting fine high enough to really sting.

 

[dean nelson]

Or just take it to SD. What if you move into state from a state that doesn't require tags attached. Sounds to me this law is subject to be unlawful to our constitution.

Yeah I don't see how this law could ever come close to being able to stand against a second amendment constitutional claim of unlawful restrictions of guns. Game and Fish Department often make small print rules that you sign off to when you sign your tags that you generally don't know about and makes you agree to what ever law they want to make up for any given situation.


Hell if nothing else just say your out hunting gophers since one does not have to have a license to hunt those therefore putting you out too or completely past their jurisdiction pretty fast.

 

[LBrandt]

Hunting RABBITS No season and no limitation on guns size,.300 win mag might be over kill but what the hell.

 

[db-2]

A couple of things:

It is just we can not or will not police ourselves. Rules are made for a reason and one reason is to break them and another is to made rules that are easy to break. Yes I am embarrassed for a few previous moments in life.

I been told any wild game meat is more expense than what is at the grocery store and does not taste as good (beef is why God made cows).

You can not depend or trust anyone 100% of the time.
As my friend told me his friend shot a deer, put a tag on and then walk about 100 yards to the gravel road where his hunting buddy was to get help dragging it up to the vehicle. He got a $100 fine and lost his rifle for hunting after he had shot his deer. And that is why we may not all love and trust our game wardens. db