Parents charged with 4 counts involuntary manslaughter

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[Maddog]

A man without data is just another shmuck with an opinion.

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Why didn't the school include the resource officer that was on site ?

This is from a statement the school released, their version of the meeting. If the trained counselors came to this conclusion why did they request the kid seek counseling within 48 hrs. the school official appear to be contradicting themselves

"At no time did counselors believe the student might harm others based on his behavior, responses and demeanor, which appeared calm," Throne said.
Upon the parents' arrival, the school counselors asked the student "specific probing questions" about his potential for self-harm or harm toward others, Throne said. The answers he provided "led counselors to again conclude he did not intend on committing either self-harm or harm to others," according to the letter.
School counselors told the parents they must seek counseling for their son within 48 hours, otherwise the school would contact Child Protective Services, Throne wrote.
When asked to take their child home for the rest of the day, Throne said the student's parents "flatly refused," leaving their son behind to "return to work." And because the student had no prior disciplinary actions on his record, school counselors decided to allow him to return to his class, rather than send him to what they thought would be an empty home, Throne explained.

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Why didn't the school include the resource officer that was on site ?

This is from a statement the school released, their version of the meeting. If the trained counselors came to this conclusion why did they request the kid seek counseling within 48 hrs. the school official appear to be contradicting themselves

"At no time did counselors believe the student might harm others based on his behavior, responses and demeanor, which appeared calm," Throne said.
Upon the parents' arrival, the school counselors asked the student "specific probing questions" about his potential for self-harm or harm toward others, Throne said. The answers he provided "led counselors to again conclude he did not intend on committing either self-harm or harm to others," according to the letter.
School counselors told the parents they must seek counseling for their son within 48 hours, otherwise the school would contact Child Protective Services, Throne wrote.
When asked to take their child home for the rest of the day, Throne said the student's parents "flatly refused," leaving their son behind to "return to work." And because the student had no prior disciplinary actions on his record, school counselors decided to allow him to return to his class, rather than send him to what they thought would be an empty home, Throne explained.

CYA

 

[Obi-Wan]

Ask yourself this, if you believed there was no criminal intent, would you include an officer? You're answer isn't important to me in the slightest unless you are a school counselor as well. Until then, your opinion doesn't matter. I know that's tough for some people to wrap their head around, but what you think isn't important.

This might come as a surprise to you but no ones opinion on this site matters including yours .

No I don't believe there was criminal intent on part of the counselors but I also don't believe their was criminal intent on the parents. they are not being charged for criminal intent they are being charged for negligence.


Does the sheriff's opinion matter or since he is not a counselor should he sit down and shut up?
Bouchard was asked Friday about Throne’s comments.
“Certainly, after the second encounter in the morning, I believe it was more than appropriate and necessary (to contact law enforcement), based on the content of what was seen on the second day,” Bouchard said. “Clearly, I believe that that would have been appropriate, and I also know that our school resource officer would have asked him to be removed from school while that counseling or whatever was ordered by the school takes place.”
Bouchard said the resource officer would have escorted Crumbley from the school and made sure he didn’t have any weapons on him

 

[DirtyMike]

That all kind of went over your head, huh? I'm married to a middle school counselor. This isn't opinion.

This might come as a surprise to you but no ones opinion on this site matters including yours.

No I don't believe there was criminal intent on part of the counselors but I also don't believe their was criminal intent on the parents. they are not being charged for criminal intent they are being charged for negligence.


Does the sheriff's opinion matter or since he is not a counselor should he sit down and shut up?

 

[snow1]

So,being childless....I think? children under the age of 16 years old arn't the parents responsible?,thank god my golden doesn't have thumbs to load a clip or a wheel.

 

[JayKay]

Quite the precedence they're setting by charging school counselors for these crimes. Imagine making $55k/year doing damage control for shitty parents and shitty kids only to get charged for crimes you had no idea would happen. School Counselors may do threat assessments, but its to for self harm. If I'm able to predict which kid is going to light up his/her school, I'm putting that info into a book and I'm banking some cash. The counselors/admin gave their assessment and the parents refused to follow instructions.

I thought of you guys immediately, when I started hearing about this case.

 

[Allen]

Sounds like the Minority Report lately:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_Report_(film)

 

[Obi-Wan]

So,being childless....I think? children under the age of 16 years old arn't the parents responsible?,thank god my golden doesn't have thumbs to load a clip or a wheel.

I think the parents would be financially responsible but I have a hard time holding them criminally responsible. The parents each face up to 60 yrs in prison for a crime committed by someone else.