Property Tax Increase

[gst]

I'm sure your smart enough to know that the whole funding element for the whole state will have to be reworked. If that means increases in sales tax, user fees, vehicle registration fees or whatever. The money will come from another source. But you already knew that. That's for the legislators to figure out.

So in other words you have no answers and are depending on those you and others lambast as incompetent and bought and paid for to "figure it out".

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eye it seems you are suggesting we just pass the next initiated measure and hope for the best without knowing what property taxes replacement will entail.

I gotta ask, do think the Not so Affordable Care Act passed in the same manner was worth it?

 

[deactivated]

Why does everyone keep insisting that property tax needs to be fixed by the legislature?

Maybe because they are always trying to fix it? State lawmakers set limits for cities, counties, and school districts. The state also contributes funds to cities and schools. I am not sure about county budgets. When state funds fluctuate, small city and school budgets can suffer. Then come big tax increases (or as big as the state will allow). Maybe the state should just keep out of it and let local governing bodies actually govern. Maybe people will start paying more attention instead of blaming everyone else or being upset at the system that they really don't understand.

 

[Retired Educator]

I just told you how. It's not rocket science. There are dozens of ways the state collects money now. They will simply find other types of collection like those that exist or they will raise the amounts of the current ones being collected. That's what legislators will sort out. If a county needs more money they can charge a higher sales tax in their county or the cities in those counties can. Right now it's far too easy for counties to tell the populace to screw off, we are going to spend like drunken sailors and we will just tax you as we see fit. We need to make it harder for governments to raise taxes. With sales taxes we have to vote on it. So they will have to convince their populace they really need the money.

Here are the lowest property taxes in the country.

• Hawaii - 0.28 percent.
• Alabama - 0.43 percent.
• Louisiana - 0.51 percent.
• Delaware - 0.55 percent.
• District of Columbia - 0.57 percent.
• South Carolina - 0.57 percent.
• West Virginia - 0.59 percent.
• Wyoming - 0.61 percent.

ND's tax is 1.2%. Twice what Wyoming has. Something wrong with that picture.

So you have admitted that you should be arguing with the county and not the legislature since they are the ones who receive propter tax. You have also indicated that property tax should be replaced with some other tax yet you offer no suggestion as to which tax should be increased that would be more fair.

Comparing other state property taxes does no good unless you provide evidence of other taxes collected in the state. It's not hard for the state to raise taxes as you claim since they can easily set the income tax at whatever rate they desire. Evidence of that was the reduction in the last session.

I'm not trying to convince anyone that property tax is perfect and exactly fair to everyone. My point is that complaining does no good unless you provide a solution and in 3 pages of comments I have yet to see a solution offered that makes sense to me.

 

[Ericb]

Well I chose to buy the house in Bismarck. It's a bigger city and my kids got to go to a new school. (Mandan has done the same recently) at the end of the day I'm paying the same out of pocket as if I moved to Mandan. If I wanted to move to Williston the property taxes would play into what kind of house I bought / could afford.

Why is the value of a identical house different town to town?

I get your point but it's a spending/ services to population issue to me more than a tax issue.

 

[SDMF]

eye, would you care to "chirp" in and address any of the questions I have posed regarding smaller or rural communities and counties and townships and funding?

What's the matter? You don't want your legislator to be fully accountable for the new funding source?

I personally like the idea of pulling the rug out from under legislators while simultaneously taking away all the old tired excuses of the past. IMO, there's too many retirees doing the job strictly for the heathcare benefits that don't want to put any real "work" into the position.

 

[Allen]

Here are the lowest property taxes in the country.

• Hawaii - 0.28 percent.
• Alabama - 0.43 percent.
• Louisiana - 0.51 percent.
• Delaware - 0.55 percent.
• District of Columbia - 0.57 percent.
• South Carolina - 0.57 percent.
• West Virginia - 0.59 percent.
• Wyoming - 0.61 percent.

ND's tax is 1.2%. Twice what Wyoming has. Something wrong with that picture.

You saw my post on Burleigh property taxes. The property in my latest post has a net tax rate of 0.79% this year. Which counties are so high as to jack the state up to 1.2%?

 

[gst]

What's the matter? You don't want your legislator to be fully accountable for the new funding source?

I personally like the idea of pulling the rug out from under legislators while simultaneously taking away all the old tired excuses of the past. IMO, there's too many retirees doing the job strictly for the heathcare benefits that don't want to put any real "work" into the position.

Where EXACTLY have I given the impression that I would not want to hold my or other legislators accountable for a "new funding source". Could you copy and paste that for us?

What I have asked that you and everyone else have avoided answering is who and where and how will these "new funding sources" develop for entities like counties, townships and small rural communities that do not have enough businesses to create sales tax revenues.

I can hold the three legislators from my area accountable........how do I hold those from Fargo, Grand Forks, Minot, Bismarck and the districts they are in that greatly outnumber mine "accountable" for failing to support my counties/townships funding needs in deference to their own?

Please share with us how counties and townships would generate incomes without property taxes.

Try providing an answer for once.

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neither party wanted to have to work that hard, nor have to answer tough questions regarding tax/funding choices/votes.

Seems like maybe the legislators are not the only ones not wanting to answer simple questions. Including those that sponsored the initiated measure.

 

[SDMF]

GST, here's precisely how Antler's funding will be done.

Township and community funding will be derived via a new tax on "No Hunting/No Trespassing" signs.

 

[gst]

Or perhaps toll booths set up on section lines during Nov.


You still have provided no answers.

 

[Sluggo]

Or perhaps toll booths set up on section lines during Nov.

You still have provided no answers.

How about if there was a per capita formula for monies for school resources and a per mile formula for monies for roads and so on? The formula could even be skewed for lowly populated areas.

I know they are going to get my pound of flesh somehow but am tired of the current model where Burleigh County/Bismarck just charge what they want regardless of who we vote in. I would like to see them come up with a new approach. Last round of school improvements was to add class rooms to several schools (and oh by the way, they all get a new gym). Sure would have been nice to have had the opportunity support the classrooms but veto the gyms.

 

[SDMF]

Or perhaps toll booths set up on section lines during Nov.


You still have provided no answers.

Every in-state non-federal governmental entity looking for funding, large or small already pitches the legislature in Bismarck 1st. They get what they can from the state and figure out the rest locally.

If Antler can't be funded by the No Hunting sign tax, they can do a special assessment ransom of the estimated number of public property game animals being held hostage behind those signs.

 

[ndlongshot]

I understand GST's point about low population communities. It makes the most sense to tax property, but the constitutionality of that is what we all have a problem with. Thus the push to eliminate it.

I have no doubt that govt reps could find something new to tax. They always do, unfortunately.

Maybe we leave it up to the counties. Rural can keep it if they want, and cities can get rid of it. See how it plays out over time. In town they will make it back some other crooked way, and rural areas can maintain their tax base if they think it works for them.

I honestly can't believe we are having this conversation about raising taxes, in ND, after the windfall we've had the last 10 years. Disgusting and pisses me off. Pay attention to your local elections people and ask questions to your reps. Hold them accountable for their votes. This is all BS, and powers at be think well thats just life suck it up. No, sorry. Not acceptable. They have been wreckless. Plain and Simple.

Any rep proposing tax increases needs to be packing their bags. How bout they propose a cut in government. My family will get along just fine with scaled back services. The fact that they see tax increases as the solution makes my blood boil. Our state is "SO RED" they say......yeah right. Bunch of damn RINOS.

 

[guywhofishes]

If Antler can't be funded by the No Hunting sign tax, they can do a special assessment ransom of the estimated number of public property game animals being held hostage behind those signs.

that idea has merit - could be quite a windfall of revenue

I understand that many thousands of animals migrate great distances to over-winter at certain prime locations in the Antler area

 

[Kurtr]

One tag deer systems property taxes sky rocket what's next for nd residents?

 

[ndlongshot]

One tag deer systems property taxes sky rocket what's next for nd residents?

Probably slot limits at this rate.

 

[guywhofishes]

Joe Biden 2020

 

[Sluggo]

Joe Biden 2020

Hoping he tips over in 2019.

 

[Allen]

Joe Biden 2020

Skaters often exhibit poor decision making.

 

[eyexer]

You saw my post on Burleigh property taxes. The property in my latest post has a net tax rate of 0.79% this year. Which counties are so high as to jack the state up to 1.2%?

its actually 1.1% now. Was 1.2. Your tax statement still has the buy down on it I would assume. Starting next year you'll see the 1.1% rate again

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So you have admitted that you should be arguing with the county and not the legislature since they are the ones who receive propter tax. You have also indicated that property tax should be replaced with some other tax yet you offer no suggestion as to which tax should be increased that would be more fair.

Comparing other state property taxes does no good unless you provide evidence of other taxes collected in the state. It's not hard for the state to raise taxes as you claim since they can easily set the income tax at whatever rate they desire. Evidence of that was the reduction in the last session.

I'm not trying to convince anyone that property tax is perfect and exactly fair to everyone. My point is that complaining does no good unless you provide a solution and in 3 pages of comments I have yet to see a solution offered that makes sense to me.[/QUOT. does the state legislature not set the laws of property taxation? Funny how every election year property taxes are a big issue. And when you chastise the county they blame the legislature. When you blame the legislators they point at the county lol. Like I said if they insist on taxing property why are they taxing identical homes at such different rates? Certainly not a fair taxation
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[deactivated]

I understand GST's point about low population communities. It makes the most sense to tax property, but the constitutionality of that is what we all have a problem with. Thus the push to eliminate it.

I have no doubt that govt reps could find something new to tax. They always do, unfortunately.

Maybe we leave it up to the counties. Rural can keep it if they want, and cities can get rid of it. See how it plays out over time. In town they will make it back some other crooked way, and rural areas can maintain their tax base if they think it works for them.

I honestly can't believe we are having this conversation about raising taxes, in ND, after the windfall we've had the last 10 years. Disgusting and pisses me off. Pay attention to your local elections people and ask questions to your reps. Hold them accountable for their votes. This is all BS, and powers at be think well thats just life suck it up. No, sorry. Not acceptable. They have been wreckless. Plain and Simple.

Any rep proposing tax increases needs to be packing their bags. How bout they propose a cut in government. My family will get along just fine with scaled back services. The fact that they see tax increases as the solution makes my blood boil. Our state is "SO RED" they say......yeah right. Bunch of damn RINOS.

During the 2013-2014 (latest data I can find) collections, ND's local tax collections (property tax) only accounted 15% of the states total tax collections. The US average was 42%. SD was 49%. ND's total state tax collections were #1 in the country ($7,500 per capita). ND was 56% higher than #2 Vermont ($4,800 per capita). SD was #45 ($1,900 per capita). Moral of the story is rural north dakotans are stupid. Increase the property tax, decrease collections that the state is responsible for. Return local control to the locals. Rural ND is not looking good. Cities are flourishing.