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I guarantee it would still fail….
Not so. Nearly everyone opposed took issue with corporations, oil & gas, out of state entities, and to a lesser extent agriculture getting essentially massive tax break that would have to be paid out of another pocket. Nobody opposed the measure because they enjoy paying taxes like a lot on this site want you to believe. I’d bet on it passing if it were primary residence but interestingly enough that was never proposed.
 


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Not so. Nearly everyone opposed took issue with corporations, oil & gas, out of state entities, and to a lesser extent agriculture getting essentially massive tax break that would have to be paid out of another pocket. Nobody opposed the measure because they enjoy paying taxes like a lot on this site want you to believe. I’d bet on it passing if it were primary residence but interestingly enough that was never proposed.
I agree.
 

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Sorry, I doubt it. Some would say I already have a tax break due to my age or income. Some would fall for a slick politician or lobbyist telling them their fire dept or schools were doomed to close. Some would believe Bismarck is going to stop any monies from getting to their communities. Some would say it doesn’t matter to them because “they rent and don’t pay that tax”, that’s a great one by the way, and some would still say it’s an imperfect bill. Nothing would change except for our property tax rates as they continue to skyrocket.
 

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heh heh u guys are nailin it even though a lib would say if the plan was so great why couldnt they explain it at all to sell it to voters and that the problem in minot and cities was directly addressed by rick becker when he said quote they would still be able to tax your property so yeah i agree knowing how the civil works we all enjoy the comfort of every single day and the chaos it would create to depend on yer local n state numbskulls to figure out how to keep things runnin and maintained when u coulda just made primary dwelling exempt and not given corperations a windfall on OUR dime it would have 100 percent passed that makes you a tax me harder daddy lib

was there a reason rick became the face of this as hess n chevron were workin out a sale of all nd assets behind closed doors like maybe a board position was on the line since he disappeared again n there was no real plan to keep fundin guess we will never no but that is the typa politics we like these days
As your fellow inmate would say, you know you are nuts don't you?
 


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im liking the logic im seein here dont admit theres any other way like the residence compromise to get tax relief just dig in yer heels n say itll never pass anyway even if it would be gettin you what you wanted in the first place that way u can still complain n act like yer smarter n righter and keep sayin tax me harder daddy lmao so funny
 

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Sorry, I doubt it. Some would say I already have a tax break due to my age or income. Some would fall for a slick politician or lobbyist telling them their fire dept or schools were doomed to close. Some would believe Bismarck is going to stop any monies from getting to their communities. Some would say it doesn’t matter to them because “they rent and don’t pay that tax”, that’s a great one by the way, and some would still say it’s an imperfect bill. Nothing would change except for our property tax rates as they continue to skyrocket.
I agree the biggest obstacle for abolishing tax burdens on primary homes has got to be done in a thought out manner, people in general are afraid of change and that would be a huge change that would need to be talked about with an extensive game plan. The public would need to be educated so that the fear propraganda cant persuade them. It could be as simple as having a vote on a time span of say 5 years for the public to get used to the idea of no taxes on primary residence. If someone actually gave two shits and did real number crunching it could work with real factual numbers for people to understand. I would vote for it but not if its a blanket deal of everyone gets tax break on their property.
 

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I agree the biggest obstacle for abolishing tax burdens on primary homes has got to be done in a thought out manner, people in general are afraid of change and that would be a huge change that would need to be talked about with an extensive game plan. The public would need to be educated so that the fear propraganda cant persuade them. It could be as simple as having a vote on a time span of say 5 years for the public to get used to the idea of no taxes on primary residence. If someone actually gave two shits and did real number crunching it could work with real factual numbers for people to understand. I would vote for it but not if its a blanket deal of everyone gets tax break on their property.
So you are happy and willing to fuck yourself just so others don’t get to save a dollar more than you.
 

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So you are happy and willing to fuck yourself just so others don’t get to save a dollar more than you.
Its quite simple if you dont like it you can move to something smaller more affordable. Majority of people, 60 plus percent felt the same as i when they voted no.
 

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Its quite simple if you dont like it you can move to something smaller more affordable. Majority of people, 60 plus percent felt the same as i when they voted no.
Ahhh but therein lies the problem…see you could move to a “smaller, more affordable” place and viola in 5 years it’s not affordable. See 3 of those 5 years those in power come up with ways they NEED more tax dollars and 2 of those 5 years the city or county does “revaluations” on your “smaller more affordable” property and now your tax burden is like MSA’s, it goes from 1,000 to 5,000. That or your rent goes from 1,000 to 1,750 or 2,000 as the raises get passed on. It makes no difference though, because nothing will change. Politicians are going to find “reasons” they “need” a bigger tax base and people are too afraid to show those politicians they’re fed up with it, even when presented an opportunity/opportunities
 


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Ahhh but therein lies the problem…see you could move to a “smaller, more affordable” place and viola in 5 years it’s not affordable. See 3 of those 5 years those in power come up with ways they NEED more tax dollars and 2 of those 5 years the city or county does “revaluations” on your “smaller more affordable” property and now your tax burden is like MSA’s, it goes from 1,000 to 5,000. That or your rent goes from 1,000 to 1,750 or 2,000 as the raises get passed on. It makes no difference though, because nothing will change. Politicians are going to find “reasons” they “need” a bigger tax base and people are too afraid to show those politicians they’re fed up with it, even when presented an opportunity/opportunities
And there is your problem and many here you want it all and dont care about anything else. You do realize that your argrument makes absolutely no sense relating to politicians make unilateral decisions, when the measure that was voted down because the measure was poorly written. Im going to let you look it up but i know you wont because your pouting like many others here.
 
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Not so. Nearly everyone opposed took issue with corporations, oil & gas, out of state entities, and to a lesser extent agriculture getting essentially massive tax break that would have to be paid out of another pocket. Nobody opposed the measure because they enjoy paying taxes like a lot on this site want you to believe. I’d bet on it passing if it were primary residence but interestingly enough that was never proposed.
Then why haven't you or someone with the keep it local crowd came up with your own version of the bill? You've had how many years to get it done and nada. Just keep the status quo, tax me harder........
 

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And there is your problem and many here you want it all and dont care about anything else. You do realize that your argrument makes absolutely no sense relating to politicians make unilateral decisions, when the measure that was voted down because the measure was poorly written. Im going to let you look it up but i know you wont because your pouting like many others here.
I’m not pouting at all, just stating that I see no meaningful change coming to the property tax system at any time in the future. You should probably add another line to your tagline though. Tax me harder might work
 

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I’m not pouting at all, just stating that I see no meaningful change coming to the property tax system at any time in the future. You should probably add another line to your tagline though. Tax me harder might work
Thats why my post #227 addresses some of those issues you are referring to and why those issues with the measure were voted down which is, in a nutshell, a comprehensive process as to were the moeny is coming from how its going to be used.
 


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a LOT of people I talked to that voted against it was because they were worried some rich folks would benefit from it....dumbest shit ive ever heard
Rick Becker owns property on main street Bismarck. Some people made the accusation he was involved in order to save himself a million in taxes. Certainly, cannot allow that!!
 

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Yep thats exactly why i didnt vote because of property owners like slum lords property management who would get even richer on our dime, with welfare system and no taxes you could see even more development another example would be big investment firms blackrock buying up farm land and renting it out to farmers at a jack up price. The other reason was the same as how the obozo care act was passed you need to pass it to find out whats in it. People wanted a game plan which there was none as to where the money was coming from to fill that void of no property taxes. I dont think anyone who did the leg work on the measure to get it on the ballot wanted it passed or knew it wouldn't pass regardless because it was written very ppoorly.
 

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Ahhh but therein lies the problem…see you could move to a “smaller, more affordable” place and viola in 5 years it’s not affordable. See 3 of those 5 years those in power come up with ways they NEED more tax dollars and 2 of those 5 years the city or county does “revaluations” on your “smaller more affordable” property and now your tax burden is like MSA’s, it goes from 1,000 to 5,000. That or your rent goes from 1,000 to 1,750 or 2,000 as the raises get passed on. It makes no difference though, because nothing will change. Politicians are going to find “reasons” they “need” a bigger tax base and people are too afraid to show those politicians they’re fed up with it, even when presented an opportunity/opportunities


If someone is 50, 60, or 80 years old and they haven't yet learned about this thing called inflation...they are going to fail in retirement no matter their property tax burden. Property taxes are certainly not a trivial part of owning property...but they pale in comparison to my internet/cable, electric, propane, rural water, rural sanitation, and general maintenance costs of owning a home.


Not directed at you Twitch, but some random observations/thoughts on this topic in general:

I was just telling someone a couple days ago that if I ever lived again in a city that sustained a major flood (Grand Forks, Minot, Fargo, Jamestown, and to a lesser degree Mandan and Bismarck), I would move within a couple of years. I don't think many of the residents of those communities understand just how much the recovery costs and future increased protection costs are going to be for them. One need not look any farther than Minot. I don't proclaim to understand the finer details of Minot's city budget, but Lakefield is bringing it to the forefront with his plan on how to service Minot's debt that stems from the flood of 2011. We are now 14 years post flood in Minot and how many millions have already been and are planned to be spent going forward to try and prevent a repeat of 2011? That money has to come from someone's pocket. Even if your house didn't get wet during the event, you were still affected by the flood in at least some major inconveniences in getting around town, school closures, water and sewer problems, etc.

That whole list of cities up above were somewhat fortunate to have their floods under other administrations. The current administration is probably not as inclined to be as generous with federal cost sharing though FEMA in the coming years. Trump has already told governors they need to be better prepared to shoulder the responsibility of responding to natural disasters, and I have to imagine that would include the recovery phase.

Lastly, there's even more pain to the local communities with major infrastructure challenges. DOGE went and axed a number of federal cost share projects in North Dakota. I'm thinking of drinking water and sewer improvements/expansions. That means the local taxpayers are going to be picking up a larger share of the cost for these services. Which, obviously, means higher property taxes and fees for those services.

Personally, I move to a place I like, not somewhere I want to see "growth". I think all this growth civic leaders love so damn much is exactly what makes me want to leave. Growth leads to development dollars for sure, but it also means higher taxes for the people who already live there.
 

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Personally, I move to a place I like, not somewhere I want to see "growth". I think all this growth civic leaders love so damn much is exactly what makes me want to leave. Growth leads to development dollars for sure, but it also means higher taxes for the people who already live there.

I would love to see minot's population and economy collapse, the air base close, the bakken dry up, something to halt & reverse this growth and take me back to the quiet town of 30 thousand people, with no traffic, low cost of living, no strange foreign people wandering aimlessly around town, reduce my home's value by 60%, and my property taxes by 500%
 

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Yep thats exactly why i didnt vote because of property owners like slum lords property management who would get even richer on our dime, with welfare system and no taxes you could see even more development another example would be big investment firms blackrock buying up farm land and renting it out to farmers at a jack up price. The other reason was the same as how the obozo care act was passed you need to pass it to find out whats in it. People wanted a game plan which there was none as to where the money was coming from to fill that void of no property taxes. I dont think anyone who did the leg work on the measure to get it on the ballot wanted it passed or knew it wouldn't pass regardless because it was written very ppoorly.
Un-informed is no way to vote on anything.

Maybe yourself and others believing that Blackrock or other big investment firms would buy up farm land should have looked up the actual laws in ND and would have found out that they would not have met the criteria - it took me all of 2 seconds.
These criteria include having no more than 10 total members or shareholders, 51 percent or more ownership by active farmers or ranchers in an LLC, or 75 percent or more ownership by active farmers or ranchers in a corporation. Additionally, the land must be 100 percent owned by U.S. citizens, resident aliens, or authorized individuals, and the land must be actively owned and managed by the partners.

It was explained that initiated measures are not allowed come up with tax law as that is the job of the legislative branch as per the constitution, but are allowed to say what can't be taxed.

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