State-owned Casinos anyone

[Davy Crockett]

27 million and they can increase production by a factor of five! If true that's some crazy big increase for not very much money.

Plus they are their own banker, The balance sheet should be online but it's not on their website like it should be, That 13.4m profit might even be after a % was put in the state budget. State lottery put close to 10M in the state budget.

https://www.lottery.nd.gov/_elements/pdf/financial-statements/Audit16.pdf


Pretty sure some here are against state owned business and where do you draw the line. The good thing is this stuff gets voted in we have time to hash it out.

 

[lunkerslayer]

Do they still allow smoking in the casino on the rez?

 

[guywhofishes]

smoke-filled casinos... now that brings back some memories.

 

[Davy Crockett]

27 million and they can increase production by a factor of five! If true that's some crazy big increase for not very much money.

Plus they are their own banker, The balance sheet should be online but it's not on their website, That 13.4m profit might even be after a % was put in the state budget. State lottery put close to 10M in the state budget.

https://www.lottery.nd.gov/_elements/pdf/financial-statements/Audit16.pdf

 

[Marbleyes]

Guy, you are pretty negative. You not able to land a kick flip or something lately?

 

[Davy Crockett]

I see where guy is coming from , It was my first thought too but the idea is intriguing and deserves a good look at. At what point do we quit bubble wrapping the world for a few .

 

[NodakBuckeye]

So because it might have an effect on some blackjack money we shouldn't do it? I'm assuming all bars in devils lake no longer have any bingo or blackjack because the casino killed it off! The reality is it doesn't work that way. Sure they would take a hit but game over.....I don't think so. By that logic you would need that vast majority to shift their gambling completely away from the bars to the casino and that's just not going to happen.

I mean seriously this is ND we are talking about here a state that already has blackjack in almost every bar along with bingo and some mutant form of roulette so this isnt exactly a big leap. As for Madora the only way that works is to go the deadwood rout and make it a true destination or the winter slow season will kill it especially if there suddenly are ones in bis and fargo as well.

I spent 10 years working for a charitable gaming distributer that operated in 10 states. 2 things killed bingo halls- smoking bans and state owned casinos. Not talking a couple months of decline and the novelty wore off and back to business as normal. Brian hit the nail on the head, non profits and fraternals should be screaming bloody murder and if passed demand changes to be able to help level the field. Larger ticket counts, progressive pull tab games, etc...

I'm not convinced all the potential income is worth all the headaches. The state will probably not run but license them out to private sector companies and take a cut and from what I have seen in other states, expectations of revenue are tough to meet. For me, nothing says more about a state than a casino: "We could use more revenue and the best we could come up with was gambling"

 

[dean nelson]

Yes but we are talking blackjack, pull tabs and bingo in bars not bingo halls who's traffic is light to begin with. People are not going to up and ditch their favorite bar just because there is a casino 10 miles away. For many these games are not the driving force to get them in the bar but just a side benefit.

 

[Ristorapper]

Read where a state owned casino would have to be located at least 5 miles from any city of population 5000 or more and the revenue generated will help offset the state sales tax.

 

[guywhofishes]

Guy, you are pretty negative. You not able to land a kick flip or something lately?

good one - sorry for Debbie Downer attitude I just loathe casinos - when I walk around one and see the zombies pulling the bandits arms over and over and over I think to myself that there is not one shred of good happening here - it's a creepy feeling I get and I am ready to leave right then/there

I don't want "my govt" pushing that crap. My taxes shouldn't go toward fostering an industry that addicts a percentage of its people. Lives WILL be ruined because of it. That's grotesque.

I'll stop now.

 

[Reprobait]

good one - sorry for Debbie Downer attitude I just loathe casinos - when I walk around one and see the zombies pulling the bandits arms over and over and over I think to myself that there is not one shred of good happening here - it's a creepy feeling I get and I am ready to leave right then/there

I don't want "my govt" pushing that crap. My taxes shouldn't go toward fostering an industry that addicts a percentage of its people. Lived WILL be ruined because of it. That's grotesque.

I'll stop now.

I find it ironic that the same people proposing this are the same ones that said NO to Medical Marijuana and now that the people approved it, are trying to make it as user un-friendly as possible.

 

[Fly Carpin]

Yup, Medora would be a great spot for one. It is right on the interstate, already a real neat destination, and could really use a winter purpose. Not sure Medora folks would want the hoopla that comes with it, but I love that area, and think it would only help. They also have the states greatest golf course a couple miles out of town, plus the musical, and the pure beauty that people don't realize ND actually has.

Red flag. New casinos have a tendency to cannibalize business from surrounding local businesses. I'd be interested to see what someone from Medora (i.e. year-round resident, not a tourist) thinks of this idea. Pretty well documented trend of increased crime when a casino comes to town too.

 

[eyexer]

Red flag. New casinos have a tendency to cannibalize business from surrounding local businesses. I'd be interested to see what someone from Medora (i.e. year-round resident, not a tourist) thinks of this idea. Pretty well documented trend of increased crime when a casino comes to town too.

I've never heard of the trend of crime going up with casino's. anywhere I've lived where casino's came nothing changed. where did you find that info?

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Read where a state owned casino would have to be located at least 5 miles from any city of population 5000 or more and the revenue generated will help offset the state sales tax.

speaking of sales tax, wow I went through Hardees the other day for breakfast. Saw the price on the screen and did quick math in my head and yep $5 bill will cover it. Get up to the window and it was $5.15. So had to dig out change. Looked at my receipt and thought WTF? did the math and the damn sales tax within the city of Williston is 9.5%. Ridiculous. Helping a buddy build a new house this spring. We were going to get most of the stuff out of Menards in Williston. Gonna have to rethink that whole deal. That's a shit pile of money on a 300K home.

 

[Fly Carpin]

I've never heard of the trend of crime going up with casino's. anywhere I've lived where casino's came nothing changed. where did you find that info?

When I saw this bill I did a little reading. Found a few different studies where they looked at crime rates in counties with new casinos, comparing historic trends vs post-casino opening trends. Immediately after opening there was nothing but good. Lower unemployment, the number of adults that work but are below the poverty line decreases, and a few other positives. However this study https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers2.cfm?abstract_id=330337 found that approx. 4 years after a casino opens, bankruptcy, larceny, violent crime, and auto thefts increase about 10 percent in casino counties. Does this eventually level off? Maybe. I'm more concerned with a casino pulling business away from the local food and drink spots in Medora.

 

[deleted member]

Someone start a poll

 

[eyexer]

When I saw this bill I did a little reading. Found a few different studies where they looked at crime rates in counties with new casinos, comparing historic trends vs post-casino opening trends. Immediately after opening there was nothing but good. Lower unemployment, the number of adults that work but are below the poverty line decreases, and a few other positives. However this study https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers2.cfm?abstract_id=330337 found that approx. 4 years after a casino opens, bankruptcy, larceny, violent crime, and auto thefts increase about 10 percent in casino counties. Does this eventually level off? Maybe. I'm more concerned with a casino pulling business away from the local food and drink spots in Medora.

but what did the overall crime rate do in the state. was this new additional crime or did crime/bankruptcies just move closer to the casino. What happened in ND when the indians built their casino's?

 

[Walleye_Chaser]

Someone start a poll

Poll added

 

[BrokenBackJack]

I've never heard of the trend of crime going up with casino's. anywhere I've lived where casino's came nothing changed. where did you find that info?

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speaking of sales tax, wow I went through Hardees the other day for breakfast. Saw the price on the screen and did quick math in my head and yep $5 bill will cover it. Get up to the window and it was $5.15. So had to dig out change. Looked at my receipt and thought WTF? did the math and the damn sales tax within the city of Williston is 9.5%. Ridiculous. Helping a buddy build a new house this spring. We were going to get most of the stuff out of Menards in Williston. Gonna have to rethink that whole deal. That's a shit pile of money on a 300K home.

When we were on the farm i had the lumber yard deliver our goods as we were out of the city limits so didn't have to pay the city sales tax. Maybe that has changed now i don't know.

 

[Brian Renville]

I've never heard of the trend of crime going up with casino's. anywhere I've lived where casino's came nothing changed. where did you find that info?

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speaking of sales tax, wow I went through Hardees the other day for breakfast. Saw the price on the screen and did quick math in my head and yep $5 bill will cover it. Get up to the window and it was $5.15. So had to dig out change. Looked at my receipt and thought WTF? did the math and the damn sales tax within the city of Williston is 9.5%. Ridiculous. Helping a buddy build a new house this spring. We were going to get most of the stuff out of Menards in Williston. Gonna have to rethink that whole deal. That's a shit pile of money on a 300K home.

Yep it's crazy. Watford raised theirs as well. Gave the voters a "choice" either vote for an increase in the existing city sales tax or loose the entire city sales tax and "lose everything the city does". No option to keep the existing one. That being said at least there is a choice there instead of just taking money from people for owning their own house. Sales tax is the "fairest" tax yet everyone can't help believe the city state and counties when they say they NEED all of them.

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I don't think Al Carlson is comfortable unless he is in a headline somewhere.

 

[lunkerslayer]

smoke-filled casinos... now that brings back some memories.

I was wondering if smoking was allowed in the casinos any casinos. I do think that a lot of gamblers like to drink and smoke while playing slots. I live next to a casino, I know, but I don't gamble and rarely eat out there.