Trespass Bill Part 2

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When farmers like gst can support other bills related to bills passed in thier favor then I will support the 85 percent who live by an ethics rather than I am going to do what I want when I want because if it weren't for me nobody would eat bullshit.
 


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same boat different sides. this bill will just drive the taxpaying hunter and landowner who have lived in harmony for decades apart....... but maybe thats what you want isnt it gabe?

Bingo we have a winner. I have said the same thing, but get called anti ag farm hater. I explain that the majority of my relatives farm. That makes no difference I get called anti ag farm hater. I know some people who will never vote to support anything agriculture if this goes through. At least that's what they say. Maybe they are like the farmers who say they will post everything if they don't get their way. Who knows?
My problem is this has been a one way street for far to long. No one is out to shaft the farmers, but they belong to groups that constantly try to shaft the outdoorsman. Not just hunters, but anyone who uses the outdoors. I always thought respect was a two way street. Silly me. This is not an anti hunting bill, it's an anti hunter bill. The guys who give up hunting because of this certainly are not going to vote pro farmer. That's not a threat as some will try say, it's just reality. Crap on someone and expect a kiss isn't reality. The protesters will be gone shortly, but we hunters will be burdened with the landowner get even scheme forever. I guess they just look at us as collateral damage. Crap on 50,000 permanent citizens of this state to get even with 200 wondering idiots. How would they feel if an anti agriculture bill passed just to get even with a dozen bad farmers?
 

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Bingo we have a winner. I have said the same thing, but get called anti ag farm hater. I explain that the majority of my relatives farm. That makes no difference I get called anti ag farm hater. I know some people who will never vote to support anything agriculture if this goes through. At least that's what they say. Maybe they are like the farmers who say they will post everything if they don't get their way. Who knows?
My problem is this has been a one way street for far to long. No one is out to shaft the farmers, but they belong to groups that constantly try to shaft the outdoorsman. Not just hunters, but anyone who uses the outdoors. I always thought respect was a two way street. Silly me. This is not an anti hunting bill, it's an anti hunter bill. The guys who give up hunting because of this certainly are not going to vote pro farmer. That's not a threat as some will try say, it's just reality. Crap on someone and expect a kiss isn't reality. The protesters will be gone shortly, but we hunters will be burdened with the landowner get even scheme forever. I guess they just look at us as collateral damage. Crap on 50,000 permanent citizens of this state to get even with 200 wondering idiots. How would they feel if an anti agriculture bill passed just to get even with a dozen bad farmers?

Some farmers think that load restrictions on county pavement doesn't apply to them, then some farmers piss and moan when they can't drive down a 24 foot road with a 40 foot header on when there is maintenance being done. Also not all natives are suckling on the tax payers tit just like not all farmers are either.
 

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I ate at Sanfords in Rapid City SD once, it was pure bliss. So I tried our local one once, a bunch of times, it is not as neat. That is why ND is better, the chances are chancier.
pretty good place to eat and neat atmoshere. I didn;t know there was one in Dickyville?

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you are a peach of all peaches arent you? so what then gst. should we just all as taxpayers say "ah its for the farmers so we better just trust it is for the best." so when things start raising eyebrows were supposed to just let it slide?..... no one is anti-ag here. you are completely missing any points opposite yours.whether u want to admit it or not we are all in this. we all have skin in the game. the farmer and the taxpayers. same boat different sides. this bill will just drive the taxpaying hunter and landowner who have lived in harmony for decades apart....... but maybe thats what you want isnt it gabe? if i recall correctly didnt you pm awhile back about getting my facts straight on the corporate farming measure? didnt you tell me u helped write that bill? maybe i can dig up an old saved message and refresh mine and your memory..... so who benefits if farmers and hunters lose relationships and it goes to hell? corporate farming perhaps? you are something else.


really? no one?

Who is saying you let anything slide trip? Did you miss the part I posted about having good fact based discussions?

No shit we are all in this together, without the consumer who would buy what I produce? With out the farmer, how many people could feed themselves and their families and still work and recreate (maybe in rural setting yeah but think bigger)

Trip I have no memory of what I Pmed you or if I even did. feel free to share if you wish. Myself and a few others advocated adding feedlots to the Corporate farming bill that allowed limited hog and dairy. beyond that you will have to share a bit more of what you are talking about.

How many times have I posted on here about shit that swings the pendelum Trip?

You do know how a pendelum works right trip, it takes a push from both sides to keep going.

How many times have I asked what good it does to push the pendelum?

Give it a rest there Mr McNeely.

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Bingo we have a winner. I have said the same thing, but get called anti ag farm hater. I explain that the majority of my relatives farm. That makes no difference I get called anti ag farm hater. I know some people who will never vote to support anything agriculture if this goes through. At least that's what they say. Maybe they are like the farmers who say they will post everything if they don't get their way. Who knows?
My problem is this has been a one way street for far to long. No one is out to shaft the farmers, but they belong to groups that constantly try to shaft the outdoorsman. Not just hunters, but anyone who uses the outdoors. I always thought respect was a two way street. Silly me. This is not an anti hunting bill, it's an anti hunter bill. The guys who give up hunting because of this certainly are not going to vote pro farmer. That's not a threat as some will try say, it's just reality. Crap on someone and expect a kiss isn't reality. The protesters will be gone shortly, but we hunters will be burdened with the landowner get even scheme forever. I guess they just look at us as collateral damage. Crap on 50,000 permanent citizens of this state to get even with 200 wondering idiots. How would they feel if an anti agriculture bill passed just to get even with a dozen bad farmers?


Plainsman, there is a reason no one is left posting over on Nodak Outdoors where you are the moderator. This is an example of it.

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Jeesh, from the beginning all I have said is people that do not want this bill popping up evry few sessions should understand and accept why this bill keeps coming up. For every action there is a reactions think pendelum.

There is a reason and it is not an "antihunter" bill like plains and eye and fools like that try to sway people to believe.

Want to see who would like a wedge drove between hunters and land owners? Why would someone say something that stupid other than being really stupid or wanting ot drive a wedge as is being accused.

If people were consistantly parking on your grass in town or leaving garbage on your front lawn or damaging your property ect......I am sure we would see a bill to address it. But THAT would not be a "get even" bill..........stupid shit is why no one is left over on NO.

This is an anti jack ass bill plain and simple.

The problem is it will do nothing to stop those jack asses.
 

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you want facts? im more of an experiment kinda guy. tell u what. lets meet up at your local h.s. parking lot. ya know what you pick the town. any rural town in nd. lets go through the titles to those kids cars. how many are registered to farms do you think? is it legal to use a farm vehicle to drive to school? id imagine most of those that are farm vehicles dont have an insurance policy that covers a 16 year old driving to school. how many are running dyed? how come i have to trailer all my heavy equipment from jobsite to jobsite? how come there isnt a busy season for me where the public service puts out a statement telling people to watch out for slow vehicles down the hwys? when the weather disrupts completions dates of our projects or progress is slowed to a point of lost revenue how come theres not a program to make up my losses? for decades we have had a good system that has kept relations good between hunter/landowners. that relationship has benefited both sides. one supports the rural lifestyle and uses the positive relationship to maintain the family farm and programs at the voting booth. the other provides a place to hunt. weve had this discussion before gst. you disrupt the balance weve maintained and itll get worse for both farmers and sportmen alike. this isnt a threat. this is reality. you turn people away from the outdoors and what the hell difference does it matter to them anymore. the reason nd is so pro-ag is because of that connection. if that is is lost forget support for pro-ag measures from would be hunters. they have less of a reason to care anymore. destroying this over an minority of slob hunters is just playing roulette with a fully loaded gun. everyone will get blasted.
 


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The game and fish department is against this law. I agree with the experts!
 

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you want facts? im more of an experiment kinda guy. tell u what. lets meet up at your local h.s. parking lot. ya know what you pick the town. any rural town in nd. lets go through the titles to those kids cars. how many are registered to farms do you think? is it legal to use a farm vehicle to drive to school? id imagine most of those that are farm vehicles dont have an insurance policy that covers a 16 year old driving to school. how many are running dyed? how come i have to trailer all my heavy equipment from jobsite to jobsite? how come there isnt a busy season for me where the public service puts out a statement telling people to watch out for slow vehicles down the hwys? when the weather disrupts completions dates of our projects or progress is slowed to a point of lost revenue how come theres not a program to make up my losses? for decades we have had a good system that has kept relations good between hunter/landowners. that relationship has benefited both sides. one supports the rural lifestyle and uses the positive relationship to maintain the family farm and programs at the voting booth. the other provides a place to hunt. weve had this discussion before gst. you disrupt the balance weve maintained and itll get worse for both farmers and sportmen alike. this isnt a threat. this is reality. you turn people away from the outdoors and what the hell difference does it matter to them anymore. the reason nd is so pro-ag is because of that connection. if that is is lost forget support for pro-ag measures from would be hunters. they have less of a reason to care anymore. destroying this over an minority of slob hunters is just playing roulette with a fully loaded gun. everyone will get blasted.


Mr. McNeely........ indeed relations between most land owners and most hunters has been and still is pretty good..........but it certainly seems you are haboring a bit of resentment..........holy man most have one or two issues...........you got a whole list!! :)

Well I'll leave you with this "experiment" trip, why don;t you talk with the 19 people that came the last two weeks of archery season and used our elevated heated stand that we helped about 1/3 retrieve their deer out of 3 feet of snow with our tractor or snowmobile that ALL but one filled their tags and ask them how I "disrupt" this relation ship between land owners and hunters........They helped us trim our deer numbers we helped them fill their tags. Seemed to work for everyone even a couple fellas from here.

Oh hey, you might be stupid enough to let a 16 year old drive a vehicle they are not insured to drive, most all of my neighbors that farm or ranch are not.
 

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The original plan was to float the garbage down river to our ugly red headed sister state but the do gooders stepped in and foiled that plan.

Where did i bash and there is a sodakangler problem is no one uses it here they are to busy deer hunting every year on the near 2 million more acres of public land. I did bash sodak to i called sioux falls the armpit of the sd

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and now we have to take garbage from your guys protest up there. your welcome.







Relax i am just fing with ya
 

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The original plan was to float the garbage down river to our ugly red headed sister state but the do gooders stepped in and foiled that plan.

Hahaha those damn cops messing up all the plans
 

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Mr. McNeely........ indeed relations between most land owners and most hunters has been and still is pretty good..........but it certainly seems you are haboring a bit of resentment..........holy man most have one or two issues...........you got a whole list!! :)

Well I'll leave you with this "experiment" trip, why don;t you talk with the 19 people that came the last two weeks of archery season and used our elevated heated stand that we helped about 1/3 retrieve their deer out of 3 feet of snow with our tractor or snowmobile that ALL but one filled their tags and ask them how I "disrupt" this relation ship between land owners and hunters........They helped us trim our deer numbers we helped them fill their tags. Seemed to work for everyone even a couple fellas from here.

Oh hey, you might be stupid enough to let a 16 year old drive a vehicle they are not insured to drive, most all of my neighbors that farm or ranch are not.
you are the epitome of a question dodger. you must be a democrat or politician. ignore a question and distract with a question of your own. i dont resent any farmer/rancher who makes a living the hard way. i respect the shit out of them. but i do have resentment for the ones who continually abuse the system then turn around and bitch about taxes. i think our conversation has run its course. thank you for opening your land to sportsmen and women
 


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We really do need a compromise on this issue. There are good points on both sides and I truly believe this bill won't benefit either side. It's the epitome of politics in this country. The dialogue is being driven by the extremes on both sides. When one of the extremes wins, I usually lose. Boo. Hisss.
 

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you are the epitome of a question dodger. you must be a democrat or politician. ignore a question and distract with a question of your own. i dont resent any farmer/rancher who makes a living the hard way. i respect the shit out of them. but i do have resentment for the ones who continually abuse the system then turn around and bitch about taxes. i think our conversation has run its course. thank you for opening your land to sportsmen and women

exact;y what question have I dodged Mr. McNeely? How are you coming with those pms you mentioned?

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you want facts? yes I like facts im more of an experiment kinda guy. tell u what. lets meet up at your local h.s. parking lot. ya know what you pick the town. any rural town in nd. lets go through the titles to those kids cars. how many are registered to farms do you think? I do not know how you might expect me to answer this perhaps you could break and enter into a vehicle to find the aswer. is it legal to use a farm vehicle to drive to school? AS long as it is legal to drive upon our hiways I would wonder why it would not beid imagine most of those that are farm vehicles dont have an insurance policy that covers a 16 year old driving to school. how many are running dyed? I would suppose it would have to be a diesel pickup and you woul dhave to dip the tank to know how come i have to trailer all my heavy equipment from jobsite to jobsite? I have no idea why or what type of equipment you have. how come there isnt a busy season for me where the public service puts out a statement telling people to watch out for slow vehicles down the hwys? You would likely have to ask the public service commission who i beleive does those announcsements outside of a few ag groups that sponsor themwhen the weather disrupts completions dates of our projects or progress is slowed to a point of lost revenue how come theres not a program to make up my losses? perhaps those making those programs do not think wht you do warrants a national security program. for decades we have had a good system that has kept relations good between hunter/landowners. that relationship has benefited both sides. one supports the rural lifestyle and uses the positive relationship to maintain the family farm and programs at the voting booth. the other provides a place to hunt. weve had this discussion before gst. you disrupt the balance weve maintained and itll get worse for both farmers and sportmen alike. this isnt a threat. this is reality. you turn people away from the outdoors and what the hell difference does it matter to them anymore. the reason nd is so pro-ag is because of that connection. if that is is lost forget support for pro-ag measures from would be hunters. they have less of a reason to care anymore. destroying this over an minority of slob hunters is just playing roulette with a fully loaded gun. everyone will get blasted.

I thought perhaps those were rhetorical questions not needing an actual answer but I have tried my best to ease your anguish over these quandries you pose.

So given your acknowledgement of actions this fall that benefited both myself and 19 other sportsmen do you still believe your emboldened statement is the truth? What if this was not the first time arrangements such as this has occurred? What if a party gave their time teaching archery to a couple dozen youth each year? What if a party raised and released into the wild a few hundred upland birds each year? What if an individual well perhaps you begin to get an idea your assumptions and blatant claim might not be as accurate or true as you may think simply becasue you may disagree with an individual.

Perhaps you have realized that lecturing and making fools claims as you have do as much to divide and create a reason to care less any more destroying this relationship you speak of over petty rhetoric.

Perhaps you would realize those that repeatedly use terms like "rip,rape and run" "greedy" hands in the tax payers pockets", posse comitatus" "crap on us" and other fools rhetoric on these sites when speaking of ag are actually the ones putting that "connection" at risk.

Then again perhaps you do not.

I do hope our conversation has run it's course, I have better things to do than answer fools claims and unanswerable questions.
 

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ya know what you pick the town. any rural town in nd. lets go through the titles to those kids cars.
Trip there is perhaps only one guy here who doesn't know why you rarely see a farmer at a gas station.:) A couple years ago I actually seen a grain truck at the gas station. Power was out to his pumps on the farm or something like that. I nearly sold the guy my AR15 because he made me a really good offer. Then one of these haters accused me of selling guns illegally out of my trunk in back alleys. Up to that point I thought he was a second amendment supporter.
 

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WTF does that have to do with this law. Right there is a prime example of let's find another reason why I hate farmers.

The farm vehicles and gas reminded me of it. It's simply an example of the people we debate are not always what we think. It's also an example of the breaks they get and don't appreciate it. It's also leads to this is just a hate hunter bill. There are a thousand dots to this picture and the more dots that are exposed the clearer the picture gets. We are not abandoning farmers they are pushing us away. I don't think it would have come up to begin with if hunters were not put in such a bad light in these debates by others.

I keep getting told how ok this is from people in Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and South Dakota. News flash this is a North Dakota bill. Those who come here to hunt and hire an outfitter may see this as an advantage because the outfitter is going to lease up land, and more will be available for lease. The non residents don't give a crap about us. You protect gst enough I suppose you don't need an outfitter.
 
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We are not abandoning farmers they are pushing us away.

Who is this US you are talking about? You are trying to get many to side with you and your arguments, but there is very little chance that you will find any numbers in your camp. Your views are highly flawed!
 

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The farm vehicles and gas reminded me of it. It's simply an example of the people we debate are not always what we think. It's also an example of the breaks they get and don't appreciate it. It's also leads to this is just a hate hunter bill. There are a thousand dots to this picture and the more dots that are exposed the clearer the picture gets. We are not abandoning farmers they are pushing us away. I don't think it would have come up to begin with if hunters were not put in such a bad light in these debates by others.

I keep getting told how ok this is from people in Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and South Dakota. News flash this is a North Dakota bill. Those who come here to hunt and hire an outfitter may see this as an advantage because the outfitter is going to lease up land, and more will be available for lease. The non residents don't give a crap about us. You protect gst enough I suppose you don't need an outfitter.

Hahaha yep you got me I just want to come hunt there and I am defending GST just to get on his land. You are more of a detriment to hunters than this bill
 

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Who is this US
Hunters in general. Not all hunters are shooting deer in GST's father's yard. I fully understand that not all farmers are bad, but the bad ones apparently swing a lot of weight. Some people slyly say they don't like this bill then tell us about bad hunters and why this bill came about. We all know there are some bad hunters. Why do these people never acknowledge there are some bad landowners rather than accuse us of being ag haters? Do we ever call these same people hunter haters (the ones we debate I do call the bill a hate hunter bill)? It simply appears to me that they need some of it pushed into their face to see both sides. If they were not so single focused I wouldn't need to say some of the things I do. I try to offset those stories with acknowledging most farmers are very good people. I guess that's not good enough. Another example of the one way street.
 

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Probably won't help this thread on bit but I recently had a meeting which delt with the bills on the floor right now. The trespass bill was one which was throughly talked about. I'm against it and voiced my concern even though that in which I am a part of supports the bill. It was explained to me as this. And take this as you may but this is from as close as you can to direct from the drafters. The bill was made up because of the lack of law that exists when people trespass on unposted land. Mainly in the south and west where there are many instinaces where people have parked at abandoned farmsteads pastures etc and set up to live for months without permission. With the current law they have no way of getting these people off. The other aspect was if someone would drive onto a property and cause damage, bonfire, or vandalize, not much lawfully can be done even if these people are caught as long as it's not posted. This had nothing to with hunting even though that's the topic many people are on now. The people who support this issue and the people who brought this to light have no want to hurt or disconnect the hunter from the land, with changing times they are just trying to give themselves a chance to gain rights on the land in which they own
 

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Kurt why would North Dakota want to become just another state. I have been around people who move here from California and complain about how backwards we are, but unfortunately they stay. Most of the people who tell me this bill will hurt nothing ate non residents who's state I would not want to live in. It's there state to screw up as they like, but don't spread their cancer here. Everyone thinks they areally better, but still many come here.
 


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