Property Tax Increase

[eyexer]

We currently do not charge montanans for sales tax. We currently charge little to no sales tax on farm equipment purchases. We have a smaller sales tax than many other states. We pay far less for vehicle registrations than Mn for example. There are so many ways to increase revenue to make up for it. Hell tax cigarettes $6 a pack like they do in Canada. Booze too. One big pile of savings would be to scrap the Fargo diversion. Why the hell do we need to pay for that anyway. That's what insurance is for.

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Here's another great source. Tax all dyed fuel purchases. Drilling rigs are using close to 10,000 gallons a week. Along with all the equipment used for construction.

 

[deactivated]

We currently do not charge montanans for sales tax. We currently charge little to no sales tax on farm equipment purchases. We have a smaller sales tax than many other states. We pay far less for vehicle registrations than Mn for example. There are so many ways to increase revenue to make up for it. Hell tax cigarettes $6 a pack like they do in Canada. Booze too. One big pile of savings would be to scrap the Fargo diversion. Why the hell do we need to pay for that anyway. That's what insurance is for.

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Here's another great source. Tax all dyed fuel purchases. Drilling rigs are using close to 10,000 gallons a week. Along with all the equipment used for construction.

That would increase revenue at the state level and keep control in Bismarck. Overall tax relief is still out of local control in your scenario. The more funds collected locally, the better chance of actually getting things under control.

 

[guywhofishes]

Skaters often exhibit poor decision making.

lol

I'm not advocating - just predicting this along with one tag, sky rocketing taxes, stinging locusts with Lymes disease, etc.

i.e. keeping in theme

 

[powerman]

Taxes are necessary to fund the schools, county, and township but I believe taxing property is the most unfair way of doing it. Does it cost more to educate a student that lives in a $300,000 home than a student that lives in $100,000 home.

 

[SDMF]

Sans specials I'm up 12% from 2015-2017.

 

[eyexer]

That would increase revenue at the state level and keep control in Bismarck. Overall tax relief is still out of local control in your scenario. The more funds collected locally, the better chance of actually getting things under control.

I'm responding to questions on how to substitute for lost revenue from eliminating sales tax

 

[SDMF]

The more funds collected locally, the better chance of actually getting things under control.

Correct. The Fed's should be living on crumbs and be last in line. Your largest tax bill should be your municipality, then township, county, state, and finally Fed. When the legislator accountable for taxing 25% of your base pay lives mostly in DC and is only in-state during recess and virtually unavailable when he/she is here, there's pretty much no accountability. Imagine the person responsible for taking say 15% of your gross pay being the person you see weekly in the grocery store, in the lobby @ your Dr's office, or in church every Sunday. There'd be more accountability for the big chunks.

Imagine the $$ saved by $$ only having to flow in one direction. Far less of this send it to DC so they can send it back out of the left pocket into the right BS.

 

[Bfishn]

Taxes are necessary to fund the schools, county, and township but I believe taxing property is the most unfair way of doing it. Does it cost more to educate a student that lives in a $300,000 home than a student that lives in $100,000 home.

No, but they assume that someone who can afford more house can afford to pay more taxes. The thing is we have a choice on what we buy. Here in Bismarck basically everybody could buy a house for under 300k to fit their needs and as a result pay under 3k in property taxes, but it is amazing how many of my friends in their early 30's have been buying 400k-750k houses the last couple years, which result in 4k-8k property taxes. More house = More tax, everybody knows that going in.

 

[deactivated]

I'm responding to questions on how to substitute for lost revenue from eliminating sales tax

My bad. I guess I was confused because you want to eliminate sales tax with sales tax.

 

[NDSportsman]

How about a "use" tax system.

Take how much the school costs divided by each student in said school = 1 share of that schools use tax

If you have 1 kid in said school you pay 1 share of use tax. If you have 4 kids in that school you pay 4 shares.

What about township expenses you say? Well lets divide the township budget by the population = 1 share of township use tax

Each house hold pays 1 share per family member. A single person would pay 1 share. A family of 4 pays 4 shares. And so on....

 

[ndlongshot]

I do believe that consumptive taxation is the most fair as well. If I use it, i should pay for it.

Also, how come we can't select on our fed taxes where the money is flowed too? Then we would really see this countries priorities. Budgeting at the ballot box! Or should i say accountants office?

 

[deactivated]

Taxes are necessary to fund the schools, county, and township but I believe taxing property is the most unfair way of doing it. Does it cost more to educate a student that lives in a $300,000 home than a student that lives in $100,000 home.

Can you calculate the difference using the state average school mill levy rate of 96.61?

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Correct. The Fed's should be living on crumbs and be last in line. Your largest tax bill should be your municipality, then township, county, state, and finally Fed. When the legislator accountable for taxing 25% of your base pay lives mostly in DC and is only in-state during recess and virtually unavailable when he/she is here, there's pretty much no accountability. Imagine the person responsible for taking say 15% of your gross pay being the person you see weekly in the grocery store, in the lobby @ your Dr's office, or in church every Sunday. There'd be more accountability for the big chunks.

Imagine the $$ saved by $$ only having to flow in one direction. Far less of this send it to DC so they can send it back out of the left pocket into the right BS.

You do realize that 60% of the U.S. budget is mandatory? Of the 40% that is discretionary, over 50% is on our military. The feds are going to get theirs.

 

[gst]

Every in-state non-federal governmental entity looking for funding, large or small already pitches the legislature in Bismarck 1st. They get what they can from the state and figure out the rest locally.

If Antler can't be funded by the No Hunting sign tax, they can do a special assessment ransom of the estimated number of public property game animals being held hostage behind those signs.

So you are claiming individual township boards and counties are traveling to Bismarck to present funding requests thru bills?

It appears perhaps you do not understand what providing an answer means unless "figure out the rest" is an answer to you.

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Originally Posted by SDMF
If Antler can't be funded by the No Hunting sign tax, they can do a special assessment ransom of the estimated number of public property game animals being held hostage behind those signs.

that idea has merit - could be quite a windfall of revenue

I understand that many thousands of animals migrate great distances to over-winter at certain prime locations in the Antler area

Uffda ....guywhoexagerates.....you guys sure go out of your way sometimes. Now you're trying to turn this thread into a HFH one. (never seen a 4 strand barb wire fence hold much for wild game "hostage").

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Skaters often exhibit poor decision making.

Especially in their internet discussion abilities.

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I'm responding to questions on how to substitute for lost revenue from eliminating sales tax

eye, no one has question how to raise more revenue at the state level, there are many options. It is how to allocate said revenues when some entities have far more numbers of those that decide where to spend the monies than others do.

For some reason I would bet if the tax revenues from oil field dyed diesel purchases were to pay for say a flood diversion project in Fargo.............you would be the first one bitching

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Correct. The Fed's should be living on crumbs and be last in line. Your largest tax bill should be your municipality, then township, county, state, and finally Fed. When the legislator accountable for taxing 25% of your base pay lives mostly in DC and is only in-state during recess and virtually unavailable when he/she is here, there's pretty much no accountability. Imagine the person responsible for taking say 15% of your gross pay being the person you see weekly in the grocery store, in the lobby @ your Dr's office, or in church every Sunday. There'd be more accountability for the big chunks.

Imagine the $$ saved by $$ only having to flow in one direction. Far less of this send it to DC so they can send it back out of the left pocket into the right BS.

Kind of like holding those accountable that manage the publics lands eh?

 

[guywhofishes]

:;:howdy

 

[SDMF]

The simple truth is Antler could put a 75% sales tax on goods sold there and not receive enough funding to paint the town sign. So do the residents of these small towns and rural communities stand in line begging for the scraps that fall off Fargo, Minot and Bismarck's tables where many do pay increased sales taxes to pay for city improvements?

Heres your answer. Yes, Antler gets the crumbs, because it’s still enough.

 

[deactivated]

Heres your answer. Yes, Antler gets the crumbs, because it’s still enough.

North Dakota's per capita tax collected is the highest in the nation(or was a couple of years ago). How can you say enough is staying local without seeing actual data to support that?

 

[Davy Crockett]

I'm all for providing a good education to our children but these school buildings are getting carried away. We have Towns with a population of 2500 building 26 million dollar schools. Artificial turf being placed on new softball diamonds, it's an "expression of the arts". Build it and the people will come they say. It's BS that we can all live without

 

[deactivated]

I'm all for providing a good education to our children but these school buildings are getting carried away. We have Towns with a population of 2500 building 26 million dollar schools. Artificial turf being placed on new softball diamonds, it's an "expression of the arts". Build it and the people will come they say. It's BS that we can all live without

Which towns? We can look at their data online.

 

[Davy Crockett]

http://www.kvrr.com/2017/05/15/cent...undbreaking-for-26-million-expansion-project/

 

[eyexer]

Those that claim the state has nothing to do with property taxes can you explain to me why 12-15 years ago the state forced the counties to get their valuations up to market value? If the state gets none of the property taxes why would they give a shit what the counties value their properties at? If it's a local tax like you claim then why the concern. And why the buy down by the legislature. They could have just washed their hands of it. If a county would come upon some enormous windfall of cash and don't need the money from property taxes can they tell the state to kiss off we don't need the money and leave us alone.