NE NoDak Game and Fish Meeting

[KDM]

doze more tree rows?

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burn/till more sloughs?

THIS is the number one reason we fight over deer IMO!!!! Habitat destruction is rampant and I don't see it changing. The deer carrying capacity is a fraction of what it was 20 years ago. No question about it. A buddy had to take down two stands this fall because the landowner dozed down both shelterbelts. One was 30 yards wide and 600 yards long and the other was a two row about 700 yards long. It was sad to see. Last week looked like the county had been bombed with all the sloughs on fire. I don't understand what good that does, but it's not my land. Without food habitat, winter becomes even more lethal. When the landscape looks like the surface of the moon, January and February kills everything, not just deer and other game animals. If there are only 5 acres of good cover per square mile, it's not hard for Hunters or any other predator for that matter to find the game. However, I don't tell others what to do with their property as I don't like anyone telling me what to do with mine. My only option is to take care of my land the best I can and leave others to do what they think is best on their land.

 

[gst]

don’t need to - own naturally deery land with a surplus of trees

what’s that got to do with dozing healthy tree rows?

what a putz

Ah,..... but everyone else does.......what if what lands they own are "naturally" prairie lands that never had a tree on them? ....just curious, do you make your living for your family off those "deery" lands or are they soley for your recreational purposes?

What other businesses do you believe should be run to benefit YOUR recreational opportunities? Or is farming the exception?

Perhaps every business in town needs to set aside a portion of their property for skateboarding as well.

Guy have YOU built a skateboard park on YOUR property for the kids in Fargo?

You complain about others socialist ideals but yet believe that others should manage their property at possibly a significant cost to them that they make a living from in a manner that may benefit YOUR recreational opportunities.

What a putz.

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. I don't understand what good that does,

Thank the Federal govt and their farm programs.

 

[Account Deleted]

KDM, myself and others have screamed this from the mountain tops. The key has always been habitat.


Historically, most of North Dakota has NOT been whitetail habitat. It’s just not. They were an eastern woods deer. We added trees to the plains, we got deer. We take away trees, we lost deer. I’m spoiled as shit in that I hunt river breaks that have never been turned and they’ve always been good habitat. If there was a downturn in the deer population, I never noticed it.

Some time ago, I proposed that we hunters step up and start paying more for conservation by way of increasing the price of our habitat stamp and I was lambasted. You can’t have game without habitat. Complain about one tag all you want, even change how tags are allocated. It won’t fix the fundamental problem.

 

[WormWiggler]

lunker, not disagreeing with your hemp forest paradise, but does your hemp world not fill with snow similar to a shelter belt? What habitat is best for heavy snow years?

 

[eyexer]

What unit?

3A1

 

[NDSportsman]

Yep all comes down to habitat.

The Game and Fish Department traditionally aims to issue deer gun tags at a level that ensures a hunter success rate of 70 percent.

This is the one thing I never have understood. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of but something they insist on doing. There can be a multitude of reasons why someone is unsuccessful it doesn't mean there are no deer out there. I saw plenty of mule deer out west (unit 4B) this year and lots of whitetails where I do most of my bow hunting (unit 2F1). I think they probably could have doubled the amount of tags this year for those areas.

 

[WormWiggler]

I would hope they evaluate each area/ecosystem in the state, then derive the desired population and compare it to actual population. That should give them number of harvested animals desired, issue more tags than that (divide by .7 if my math is right). Problem is that it is easy to say, hard to do...


I think there 70% statement is being used wrong by the reporter or something. It sounds like a success rate that they would use with additional information.

 

[KDM]

lunker, not disagreeing with your hemp forest paradise, but does your hemp world not fill with snow similar to a shelter belt? What habitat is best for heavy snow years?

I've got an old growth cottonwood/box elder/ash shelterbelt on the N of my property and a mix of pine, junipers, russian olive, and bushes on the south. The snow will pile up 15 ft in the old growth while the pines and other stuff will have inches. Seems to me that'w the best combo I've come across. Last winter it looked the same. Huge depths of snow on the N in the trees and then very little on the south for a couple hundred yards. Lots of critters in there last winter too. Tore up the place pretty good from what I could tell this spring. Unfortunately, NOTHING works when you get freezing rain. I'd rather have 20 below any day over freezing rain.

 

[KJS - ND]

http://www.bcscd.com/store/pc/home.asp

https://www.ag.ndsu.edu/ndfs/documents/towner-state-nursery-2017-web.pdf

Get your trees ordered now - save some deer/pheasants from the great blizzard of 2026

 

[WormWiggler]

I've got an old growth cottonwood/box elder/ash shelterbelt on the N of my property and a mix of pine, junipers, russian olive, and bushes on the south. The snow will pile up 15 ft in the old growth while the pines and other stuff will have inches. Seems to me that'w the best combo I've come across. Last winter it looked the same. Huge depths of snow on the N in the trees and then very little on the south for a couple hundred yards. Lots of critters in there last winter too. Tore up the place pretty good from what I could tell this spring. Unfortunately, NOTHING works when you get freezing rain. I'd rather have 20 below any day over freezing rain.

sounds awesome.... guess one row shelterbelts although better than nothing are not ideal in heavy snow areas.

 

[riverview]

I asked a farmer why he tool all his shelterbelts out his response was He has never made any money off his shelterbelts.

 

[guywhofishes]

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some act as though these ag companies are destitute natives using slash/burn to feed their starving kids

sorry - not buying it

 

[gst]

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some act as though these ag companies are destitute natives using slash/burn to feed their starving kids

sorry - not buying it

So you are now suggesting a limit on how much money can be made before someone can be blamed for not supporting your recreational opportunities with their property?

You picked a good president to quote with that ideology guywhoseemstobeasocialist.

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I can’t believe some of the “hey, let’s pull everyone down to the same shitty plane in order to make life fair” crap on this thread.

Bernie Sanders for NDGF Director​

 

[guywhofishes]

gst - I no longer can take you seriously. Which is sad and refreshing simultaneously.

 

[Enslow]

Changing how tags are allocated won’t help anything. This year I have a gun and bow tag for ND and neither have been filled. I rarely fill my tags. I do however spot deer almost everyday and hunt continuously. I’m just not that good at it evidently since I have two tags left. In the last 10 years I filled one bowtag also just one and have drawn 3 rifle tags total. All the bowhunting is great for the sport as people can go hunting every year and to be successful they must sit and wait. As far as habitat goes there will not be any habitat coming back when rent for land is greater than Crp payments. Soooo just leave the tag allocation the way it is because changes never change for the better.

 

[Bed Wetter]

For those guys that haven’t drawn a tag in 6 years, have you tried selecting an alternate (2nd choice) unit that doesn’t have a historically shitty applicant-to-license ratio? I’m guessing you haven’t. I waited 5 years for my buck tag, but only went 1 year without a tag because I selected alternate sex and units for my 2nd choices. I also didn’t pursue a bow tag that year. You can also pursue alternative hunting methods, such as bow hunting. Hell, you can even put in for municipal deer herd reductions. “I haven’t had a tag in 6 years!!” That’s on you, brother.

I saw tons of deer this fall because I was able to hunt where there were abundant trees, sloughs, and food. Unfortunately this habitat isn’t consistent across the unit so the deer are concentrated in pockets. If you don’t have permission to hunt in one of those honey holes it’s a struggle. We ended up hunting almost exclusively on a single 1/2 section that held a lot of deer.

 

[gst]

gst - I no longer can take you seriously. Which is sad and refreshing simultaneously.

guywhowhineswhilebitchingaboutotherswhing I no longer can care whether you take me seriously or not. Just get busy and build that skate park for the kids on your urban property.

 

[eyexer]

gst - I no longer can take you seriously. Which is sad and refreshing simultaneously.

you were probably the last one that was taking him serious in all seriousness ;:;rofl

 

[Obi-Wan]

For those guys that haven’t drawn a tag in 6 years, have you tried selecting an alternate (2nd choice) unit that doesn’t have a historically shitty applicant-to-license ratio? I’m guessing you haven’t. I waited 5 years for my buck tag, but only went 1 year without a tag because I selected alternate sex and units for my 2nd choices. I also didn’t pursue a bow tag that year. You can also pursue alternative hunting methods, such as bow hunting. Hell, you can even put in for municipal deer herd reductions. “I haven’t had a tag in 6 years!!” That’s on you, brother.

I saw tons of deer this fall because I was able to hunt where there were abundant trees, sloughs, and food. Unfortunately this habitat isn’t consistent across the unit so the deer are concentrated in pockets. If you don’t have permission to hunt in one of those honey holes it’s a struggle. We ended up hunting almost exclusively on a single 1/2 section that held a lot of deer.

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[Colt45]

guywhowhineswhilebitchingaboutotherswhing I no longer can care whether you take me seriously or not. Just get busy and build that skate park for the kids on your urban property.

I think what guywhoisntgunnabuildaskatepark is saying is that farmers don't need to be so damn greedy and plow everything up. I personally know "farmers" north of Williston, who are millionaires many times over due to oil, who were ripping out tree rows and burning sloughs this past spring that I hunted as a kid. Very sad sight. They don't need the money for sure, and they are the biggest welfare recipients in the county if you go by all the farm subsidies they receive, and I'm talking subsidies in the millions. They didn't invent oil, nor did they invent the technique to extract it, but boy do they ever reap the rewards. Which is fine, their grandpa homesteaded and got it all for free, and handed it down. Pretty easy to inherit a bunch of land from we the people with Saudi Arabia 10000 ft below and make it. Just have a heart and leave a few tree rows and sloughs for the wildlife. I know, that's asking a lot............