Parents charged with 4 counts involuntary manslaughter

[Obi-Wan]

not sure what to think of this
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ford-high-school-shooting-updates/8850669002/

 

[Bfishn]

In this case I actually agree with this. These parent are the definition of negligent, and give all gun owners a bad name.

 

[CAH]

Where will the blame game end? The gun salesman? The manufacturer? How about the guys who made the barrel?

If more comes out about this and the parents actually did some shady shit then I will agree. But to go after them for buying a pistol is opening up a can of worms that doesn’t bode well.

 

[Kurtr]

Where will the blame game end? The gun salesman? The manufacturer? How about the guys who made the barrel?

If more comes out about this and the parents actually did some shady shit then I will agree. But to go after them for buying a pistol is opening up a can of worms that doesn’t bode well.

buying a pistol is not the problem. Not having it secured is the problem and is negligent. Time for parents to start taking responsibility for their kids. If they were parenting this would not happen.

 

[guywhofishes]

This part made me want to cry. This poor kid was schizophrenic and was begging to be stopped.

Then on the morning of the shooting, Ethan's teacher noticed an alarming note on his desk that contained drawings of a semi-automatic handgun, a bullet and a person being shot twice with the phrases "the thoughts won't stop, help me," "blood everywhere," "my life is useless" and "the world is dead" written throughout, according to McDonald.

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The prosecutor said Ethan and his parents were immediately summoned to a meeting, during which they were told they were required to get their son into counseling within 48 hours.
At that meeting, the parents were shown Ethan’s drawing but portions of it were scratched out by Ethan beforehand, such as the drawing of the gun and bloody figure, McDonald said.

She noted that the parents resisted the idea of their son leaving school at that time and departed the building without him. He then returned to the classroom and hours later drew the weapon from his backpack and started firing, prosecutors allege.

Then when news of the shooting became public, Jennifer Crumbley texted her son at 1:22 p.m., "Ethan, don’t do it," McDonald said.
Fifteen minutes later, James Crumbley called 911 to report a gun missing from his house and that he believed his son might be the shooter, she added.

 

[johnr]

WTF

 

[Obi-Wan]

This part made me want to cry. This poor kid was schizophrenic and was begging to be stopped.

Then on the morning of the shooting, Ethan's teacher noticed an alarming note on his desk that contained drawings of a semi-automatic handgun, a bullet and a person being shot twice with the phrases "the thoughts won't stop, help me," "blood everywhere," "my life is useless" and "the world is dead" written throughout, according to McDonald.

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The prosecutor said Ethan and his parents were immediately summoned to a meeting, during which they were told they were required to get their son into counseling within 48 hours.
At that meeting, the parents were shown Ethan’s drawing but portions of it were scratched out by Ethan beforehand, such as the drawing of the gun and bloody figure, McDonald said.

She noted that the parents resisted the idea of their son leaving school at that time and departed the building without him. He then returned to the classroom and hours later drew the weapon from his backpack and started firing, prosecutors allege.

Then when news of the shooting became public, Jennifer Crumbley texted her son at 1:22 p.m., "Ethan, don’t do it," McDonald said.
Fifteen minutes later, James Crumbley called 911 to report a gun missing from his house and that he believed his son might be the shooter, she added.

The school said yesterday they did not see anything that warranted having Ethan Crumbley leave the school that day after the meeting with the parents.

 

[sl1000794]

Prosecutors charge parents of Michigan school shooter.

The parents were scheduled to surrender at 2 p.m. Friday for a 4 p.m. court appearance, but they have not appeared, according to a source briefed on the case. The sheriff’s fugitive task force is now looking for them and a (BOLO) “be on the lookout” has been issued. It’s not clear if it’s a mistake or they are on the run, the source said.
Sheriff just said on Fox News at 3:36 pm, that a ‘manhunt is underway for the parents.

 

[Whisky]

buying a pistol is not the problem. Not having it secured is the problem and is negligent. Time for parents to start taking responsibility for their kids. If they were parenting this would not happen.

I'm playing devils advocate here because I don't really know what the answer is to securing firearms within ones home....and maybe the below is a stupid analogy.


I had my house broken into and a suppressed pistol was stolen. It was sitting on my dining room table. If that gun is used to commit a school shooting, am I then negligent because it was not locked up? I would say the chances of theft from an unknown person are greater than the chances my kids will shoot a school up. Where/how do you draw the line of negligence?

My kids are still young, but at some point soon I will need to address the unsecured firearms in my home. Once the kids reach a certain age I am hopeful I can relax a little on gun security.

Growing up my dads guns were in a cheap wood cabinet with the key always located on the top. Nothing bad happened....Shit, at 15 years, old I had guns in my vehicle for hunting, while on school grounds.

 

[Obi-Wan]

Prosecutors charge parents of Michigan school shooter.

The parents were scheduled to surrender at 2 p.m. Friday for a 4 p.m. court appearance, but they have not appeared, according to a source briefed on the case. The sheriff’s fugitive task force is now looking for them and a (BOLO) “be on the lookout” has been issued. It’s not clear if it’s a mistake or they are on the run, the source said.
Sheriff just said on Fox News at 3:36 pm, that a ‘manhunt is underway for the parents.

The prosecutor also held the press conference announcing the chargers prior to telling the sheriff.

 

[Kurtr]

I'm playing devils advocate here because I don't really know what the answer is to securing firearms within ones home....and maybe the below is a stupid analogy.


I had my house broken into and a suppressed pistol was stolen. It was sitting on my dining room table. If that gun is used to commit a school shooting, am I then negligent because it was not locked up? I would say the chances of theft from an unknown person are greater than the chances my kids will shoot a school up. Where/how do you draw the line of negligence?

My kids are still young, but at some point soon I will need to address the unsecured firearms in my home. Once the kids reach a certain age I am hopeful I can relax a little on gun security.

Growing up my dads guns were in a cheap wood cabinet with the key always located on the top. Nothing bad happened....Shit, at 15 years, old I had guns in my vehicle for hunting, while on school grounds.

there’s a difference your not the shit bags parent that stole your stuff. My kid is 16 he goes hunting on his own with his gun. I don’t think a lot of kids now really understand the destruction a gun can do they don’t have the advantage of being a kid in the Dakota’s we’re we grew up with them. Being involved and knowing your kid is where these parents probably went wrong. Seems there were a lot of warning signs that were missed. How my kid acts is a direct reflection on my job raising him and believe me he isn’t any angel. I like to think being involved as much as it annoys him I would see something crazy like this coming.

 

[guywhofishes]

The school said yesterday they did not see anything that warranted having Ethan Crumbley leave the school that day after the meeting with the parents.

Fox news is where I got those reports

 

[Sluggo]

The school said yesterday they did not see anything that warranted having Ethan Crumbley leave the school that day after the meeting with the parents.

No child left behind.....treat them all equal. As my young son said once, with wisdom well beyond his years, it really means, "no child can get ahead".

 

[Kentucky Windage]

Pretty easy to point fingers at things after the fact. Just sayin.

 

[Lapper]

Seeing that drawing and the words he wrote, I am at a loss that neither the parents or someone from the school didn’t ask him if he had a gun with him and just let him go back to class. Everyone talks about this being a mental health thing and not a gun thing (which I totally agree with) and they let this obviously troubled kid with a brand new gun leave without asking him or checking his stuff. Unreal!

 

[Obi-Wan]

Both held on 500k bond. The defense attorney also said the gun was locked up. They also said the prosecutor refused to contact them after they reached out to her instead she decided to turn this into a media circus and a conviction on news and social media be. It has come out that this prosecutor Is a anti gun liberal and wants a conviction to put a notch in her belt for political advancement.

 

[AR-15]

Supposedly the gun was locked up, how did the kid get ahold of it?

 

[eyexer]

I don’t see this making it to trial

 

[Obi-Wan]

Supposedly the gun was locked up, how did the kid get ahold of it?

They never said how it was locked up, maybe he found the key

The part that I find interesting is that the prosecutor said it was kept in a drawer in the parents bedroom but does not mention if the drawer has a lock on it. The defense attorney claimed the gun was locked up. Did the prosecutor intentionally leave the locked up part out? The defense also accused the prosecutor of cherry picking the information they have given out to fit their narrative to which the prosecutor replied they are not required by law to give out all the information they have to the public.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Both held on 500k bond. The defense attorney also said the gun was locked up. They also said the prosecutor refused to contact them after they reached out to her instead she decided to turn this into a media circus and a conviction on news and social media be. It has come out that this prosecutor Is a anti gun liberal and wants a conviction to put a notch in her belt for political advancement.

Thats a large percentage of prosecutors.... If I were ever a lawyer, Id have to be a defense attorney.