Question of Devils Lake elevation pits farming versus fishing

[lunkerslayer]

pumping water into DL --- I don't think we will ever see that. Pipe dream for a resort owner and that is about it. This summer could be a crap shoot -- I don't know if anybody can accurately predict it. One wrong move of the jet and you could get blasted with water. Fall looks to be wet and cold and winter doesn't look much better. I don't think DL is dry yet. Bulk of what I really remember when the lake was going up is still under water.

Lunker those east ramps all worked when the water was lower. They should be good.

Short please tell me your joking about that weather forecast, that sounds awful prediction.

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Just have a great big pro/am tournament and they will figure out a way how we can get boats into pelican and other backwaters.
Did anything ever become of the road that was dug out last year ?

As far as I know the old 281 road was filled in and nobody was held accountable,
To get up north will need to pray for some water to allow boat access for pelican boat launch. Who ever has a small boat this summer will have luck like shooting fish in a barrel.

 

[shorthairsrus]

Maybe I am wrong. Hope so. Noaa shows below normal temps for winter but normal precip

 

[BDub]

NOOA has issued a La Nina watch. From what I understand that causes the jet stream to hang through the northern states. Could be a crap shoot for weather this winter.

 

[lunkerslayer]

But what does it say about the summertime, come on guys lie to me tell it's going to be as awesome as it was last summer.

 

[deleted member]

Inlet is probably a pipe dream. But, it shouldn't be. It was promised as part of the original diversion plan and in theory a reason why the state agreed to it in the first place.

 

[lunkerslayer]

Thank you E., for saying that. That is the reason all the channels where dug to drain the wetlands up north to fill Devils Lake for tourist fishing. All the dams built were to work together to produce quality water from West to East. Devils lake would of never raised to record levels had the Corp kept their promise, the water quality in the basin would of had less concentration of salinity. Now the mclusky pipe is going to happen soon or later because the eastern part of the state is growing past the capacity to adequate water. I can't see the pipe coming to the basin but connecting through Jamestown area.

 

[dean nelson]

A connection to the MO will NEVER happen! With all the ans trouble now days there is no way your taking untreated water from one watershed to another without getting sued to hell and back and the feds will never grant a permit and let's not even get into the conniption fit the Canadians would throw! He'll those shit sticks are the main ones who got it stopped in the first place. You would have a better shot getting water frome the suris.

As for the weather it's just set to be colder then normal with equal chance of more or less rain then average. Cold winter generally means little snow but cold summers seem to always be very wet.

 

[lunkerslayer]

http://m.bismarcktribune.com/news/s...cle_9dc4ce8a-0dae-5272-93c1-b9accc0b6ec0.html

I think the use of the pipe line some how makes it a viable solution.

 

[deleted member]

I think they feel fairly confident they can pipe sak water to the east side of the state. And they are already draining DL water. So, if they can pipe it, no reason devils can't be a stop along the way.

 

[dean nelson]

But they will have to treat it or it won't pass the legal hurdles. Moving water from system to another untreated is a neary impossible to pull off with all the red tape that will come with it now days.

 

[PrairieGhost]

But they will have to treat it or it won't pass the legal hurdles. Moving water from system to another untreated is a neary impossible to pull off with all the red tape that will come with it now days.

Not to mention the treaty with Canada that would have to be violated.

 

[deleted member]

So what's their plans with this water pipeline? The would have to treat it before they ever let it out of the pipe once it crosses the continental divide. If they did that, they would be stupid to let it hit the ground again or they have to treat it again before drinking it and risk losing expensive treated water to evaporation and ground loss. Are they just gonna run a pipe all the way to fargo and only open it up if they need it?

 

[lunkerslayer]

The water to be treated for what exactly?

 

[shorthairsrus]

I think they feel fairly confident they can pipe sak water to the east side of the state. And they are already draining DL water. So, if they can pipe it, no reason devils can't be a stop along the way.

1st I think the federal govt spending money on anything is / should be a no including the diversion. The funds don't exist and they are just borrowing more money

2nd - my question is why would they want to pump water into a flooded basin? Something they already spent money on to stop the flood.

 

[dean nelson]

So what's their plans with this water pipeline? The would have to treat it before they ever let it out of the pipe once it crosses the continental divide. If they did that, they would be stupid to let it hit the ground again or they have to treat it again before drinking it and risk losing expensive treated water to evaporation and ground loss. Are they just gonna run a pipe all the way to fargo and only open it up if they need it?

Yeah they are going to treat it it's being brought in to be used as tap water! So they will treat it then dump it into a creek north of valley city and let it flow downstream.

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The water to be treated for what exactly?

They would have to kill all living organisms in it. Look at the fry for zebra mussels they are so small by the time they were spotted by fargo they were all the way to Winnipeg. They are no longer willing to take a chance on new projects that could risk infecting new areas that are not connected sense that is the best defense we have for fighting ANS we have. Like Asian carp they are already in the MO river but can't move past Yankton do to the dam. But if a handful of fry survived a ride in some guy bilge and maid it into fort peck they would be free to invade the entire Missouri River and Yellowstone river basins.

And seriously on what planet do you live where you think tax payers are going to pay to pump water into a lake that billions have been spent to get it out. Not to mention your water quality still sucks. Let's see mountain snowmelt or high salt high ag runoff water from DL which ever one will they choose.....it's a close one?

 

[lunkerslayer]

Dean, I said the mclusky pipe is going to happen soon or later because the eastern part of the state is growing past the capacity to adequate water. I can't see the pipe coming to the basin but connecting through Jamestown area.
I live on planet earth if they decide to build the fertilizer plant in Jamestown. The plant is going to need water, so If they can't use the local aquifer, a pipeline is what they will build and CHS will have to pay the bill of $200,000,000.

 

[dean nelson]

The mcclusky canal will never free flow into the sheyenne that's a done deal and has been for many years. You can pipe water wherever you want so long as it treated and doesn't need fed permission. Put it this way fargo will be lucky to ever build their pipeline since it was shot down by both Bush and Obama and with all the new water rules trying to go into effect there is a good chance they may end up needing fed approval and that's something they will never get. The canal is shut down from mcclusky on and you can bank on it never bringing water to lonetree.

 

[lunkerslayer]

OK dean ask me this question. Would you support a pipeline if all required steps were taken?

 

[dean nelson]

Yes most definitely. I would love to see DL be stabilized but it's not going to happen. Just think how many lawsuits would be filed the second the state artificially maintains a water level above the previous 93 level or what ever level they have deemed the normal pool level. Every land owner in the basin would have a hell of a case. Then think about what would happen if they kept the level artificially up and suddenly the lake gets hit with a bunch of runoff that floods out more homes or even over tops at tulna and causes flooding down stream. Each person could argue the flood would not have happened if the state would have let it drop allowing more storage space for the current water to back up. There are just to many Goliaths standing in front of David for this to have any chance of being a realistic possibility of ever happening.

 

[lunkerslayer]

Yes most definitely. I would love to see DL be stabilized but it's not going to happen. Just think how many lawsuits would be filed the second the state artificially maintains a water level above the previous 93 level or what ever level they have deemed the normal pool level. Every land owner in the basin would have a hell of a case. Then think about what would happen if they kept the level artificially up and suddenly the lake gets hit with a bunch of runoff that floods out more homes or even over tops at tulna and causes flooding down stream. Each person could argue the flood would not have happened if the state would have let it drop allowing more storage space for the current water to back up. There are just to many Goliaths standing in front of David for this to have any chance of being a realistic possibility of ever happening.

No dean not pipe to Devils Lake that ship has passed but to Eastern ND?