South Dakota tribe to open....

[eyexer]

No its not the same tribe do you even know where it is. That is like saying standing rock and crst are the same tribe. ffs

In regards to UND, Sioux are Sioux. Tribes can be different but Sioux are Sioux. Is there one specific tribe the UND fighting sioux were named after?

 

[Wild and Free]

The unspoken issues are soon to come much like in Colorado, the taxes generated are far short of the cost to the overall economy due to the consequences of legalizing it for recreational use, so many people are becoming homeless and dropping out of society and winding up on welfare now due to the epic use now which is costing the state a ton more than it is taking in with tax revenues as folks are flocking into the state from every where much like we saw with folks flocking to the oil fields looking for work.

 

[guywhofishes]

if you can't beat em, join em

 

[Brian Renville]

I wonder how much of that "tax revenue" came from welfare? Colorado issues cards that are used for cash at any atm. The atms at the dispensary are the busiest in that state. Plenty of money recycling going on I think. I really don't have much of a problem with weed but the other issues need to be taken care of first. It's not a right.

 

[Davey Crockett]

I wonder how much of that "tax revenue" came from welfare? Colorado issues cards that are used for cash at any atm. The atms at the dispensary are the busiest in that state. Plenty of money recycling going on I think. I really don't have much of a problem with weed but the other issues need to be taken care of first. It's not a right.

That's just not right. Is it just Colorado's system that works like that or is it common ? I agree that Colorado must have taken on a lot of baggage when they legalized it, The early bird might have got screwed in this case. I'm guessing a lot of Ski Bums and unemployed recreation specialist decided it would be a cool place to hang out. On a positive note , About the North Dakota has to offer is work , That should keep some of them away.

 

[Brian Renville]

That's just not right. Is it just Colorado's system that works like that or is it common ? I agree that Colorado must have taken on a lot of baggage when they legalized it, The early bird might have got screwed in this case. I'm guessing a lot of Ski Bums and unemployed recreation specialist decided it would be a cool place to hang out. On a positive note , About the North Dakota has to offer is work , That should keep some of them away.

Atm style "stamps" are fairly common now I think. People got pissed because they can't pay rent at the grocery store so that was the governments answer.

 

[Kurtr]

In regards to UND, Sioux are Sioux. Tribes can be different but Sioux are Sioux. Is there one specific tribe the UND fighting sioux were named after?

Not the one from here they don't play hockey. Go ask an elder and maybe they can explain it to you.

 

[Davey Crockett]

The system is too easy to abuse. I was on a job here in ND and camping when a crew pulled in and set up along side me, Two of them set up camp and two went shopping and came back with enough prime steak to feed an army and invited me over for supper. When I offered to pay for some of the food one of them said "o'hh no worries I bought this card off a guy". I think he said he paid $ 30 for it and it had $ 250 on it that he had to spend it all at one time. They must be some secret code because he been in town for less than an hour and sniffed it out. I could have learned a lot from that guy if I would have wanted too but I kept my distance.

 

[eyexer]

Not the one from here they don't play hockey. Go ask an elder and maybe they can explain it to you.

does your sioux have special DNA our Sioux or any other sioux not have?

 

[NodakBuckeye]

Wish I could get a White Castle franchise there.

 

[WormWiggler]

The unspoken issues are soon to come much like in Colorado, the taxes generated are far short of the cost to the overall economy due to the consequences of legalizing it for recreational use, so many people are becoming homeless and dropping out of society and winding up on welfare now due to the epic use now which is costing the state a ton more than it is taking in with tax revenues as folks are flocking into the state from every where much like we saw with folks flocking to the oil fields looking for work.

Do you have any evidence of this other than the season and episode of Dragnet?

 

[Wild and Free]

Do you have any evidence of this other than the season and episode of Dragnet?

I have relatives that live in the Denver area plus my wife spent a few days there earlier this year and it is all common knowledge down there and all over the news, main thing they are trying to figure out now that it is legal there, homeless and college drop out rates have sky rocketed since across the state. Wife took a bus tour of downtown Denver and the driver / tour guide filled them in on a lot of these details as well as they saw homeless people on nearly every street.

Never watched Dragnet or watch much for tv overall for that matter other than local news for the entertainment of how far off the weather forecasts are even hours out.

 

[BDub]

The Colorado Springs newspaper ran a series of stories about the downside of the new pot laws. Their facts put a very negative spin on legalization. I have read opposite views. I guess time will tell for sure. I know for sure the issue has really divided the rural and city folks.

 

[gst]

Went to a friends wedding shortly after Colorado legalized weed. The ski resort town we were in had a pot shop. We were sitting in the bar across the street on a Sat evening watching shaking our heads at the people going in. Some strolled in like they had been doing it all their lives, some looked around ot see who would see them go in.............funny stuff. But before we left I asked a couple friends there who are successful business owners to look around the bar (we could see the patio on the two neighboring bars as well) and then compare those people there with those they saw across the street in and out of the pot shop and what group they would be willing ot take a chance employing more people from. Hands down the bar crowd on a Sat evening won.

 

[Davey Crockett]

I honestly couldn't find numbers that are a sound foundation of what you guys are claiming. I have been to towns where it's not legal and saw homeless people on almost every street too.

I'm not arguing your points and opinions, I think they are valid and have the same concerns as you but I like numbers VS opinions or friends opinions or news paper opinions. If and when this comes up for vote someday it's in all of our best interest to know solid facts VS opinions because the states will be held hostage to govern the state laws outside of the reservation. The weed will be here,
The big question here is do we want tax revenue to help fight the war of drugs or not ? You know what the reservations will say if we ask them for a cut to fight a war on drugs.

 

[wildeyes]

When I read about the people that visit the shops,people make it sound like they are all scumbags, lowlifes, Its not that way. I'm sure that prohibition people use to sit across the street and compare the people going into the bar the same way. I'm sure regulating alcohol was-is just as intensive as pot would be. When you look at how many states are started to open up you start to realize that its not going away. educate people about it.

 

[WormWiggler]

Does anyone find it interesting that persons categorize marijuana as bad because the government and media have told them so? the same government and media that say guns are bad. How many of the "bad" crowd have ever tried any?

I am on the fence as I don't really like the government telling me what to do but I do recognize that the potential abuses can be a problem. But where is the line? Alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, sugar... too much of anything is harmful, yesterday I read that Ramen noodles kill you.

Seems like the stresses of life have demanded that we have an escape... people choose what they want. Some of the escape routes have consequences to bystanders (DUI deaths), health issues. IF your escape mechanism leaves you unable to support yourself at life's end, then the government has to pick up the tab. People like to throw out comments about how actions have repercussions. What if your lifestyle doesn't allow you to have a successful end game?

As guywholikeshissausagedeliveredbyarhodesscholar had pointed out a while back, marijuana seems to make idiots. But maybe they were idiots before they had that mary jane behind the dumpster in 5 th grade. Maybe if the rash of psychos that feel the need to shoot up school had just caught a buzz and ate some Cool Ranch doritoes we wouldn't be hearing more about gun control..

No clear answers, tgif

 

[Wild and Free]

I look at it a bit differently, I do not consider "Herbs" as drugs to start with like the govmint does. They do so they can use it as a money making tool for the "for profit prison system" run rampant in this country. The gov looks at ganja as competition to their hard core drug running FBI and CIA departments which is the only reason we are still in Afganistan "Guarding" the opium fields and have an open southern border.
US gov developed Meth as an upper in korea and Vietnam to keep guys awake for days on end got them all hooked they come home and develop their own recipes and now we have another war that the gov started in the first place and on and on it goes..............follow th money folks.

 

[gst]

Prohibition proved Americans needed a vice. The 20's were not that far removed from when opium "dens" and other drugs were legal and the results of ALL mind altering substances from the time were kinda known.

The govt chose alcohol to be the "approved" vice. One can argue booze has ruined a lot of lives and has a negative effect on society and be telling the truth, but it is hard to argue that an addiction to booze has the same effects that impact society in differing ways as other harder drugs such as meth, heroin, cocaine ect.... (think inner cities here)

And it has been shown that while both alcohol and pot can be "gateway" drugs, most times pot is more associated with "moving up the chain" to the more addictive drugs and the consequences they have on society.

My question here is when we start legalizing things that were once illegal in the name of tax revenues and or "solving the problem" where do we stop? What drug is okay to legalize and which are not? 20 years after national pot legalization what other drug will be looked at?

What actions should be excused thru legalization and which ones should not.

So when kids see adults argue for legalization of things that are illegal, when they become adults what will they argue for the legalization of?

I still remember the feeling I got when we visited the Ward county jail in 3rd grade. Each of us kids were made to go stand at the back of a cell and the deputy slammed the door shut and left us there for a very short time that seemed like eternity. I raised my share of hell in high school and a little more maybe, but that slamming door sticks with me even today.

As I have said before, as a parent I appreciate the fear/concern that may exist in a kid of being locked up to keep them/slow them down from smoking weed/downing a Budwiser behind the dumpster in 5th grade.

I guess I am not ready to have my 17 year old argue that in one year he/she can legally smoke weed so whats so wrong with doing a little X now.

 

[Wild and Free]

I have many friends in law enforcement and while having heart to heart conversations all have one common thing that is agreed on, Ganja is a lot safer than the gateway drug of alcohol. You rarely or never hear of pot heads "Marijuana speaking only here" killing anyone on the highway under then influence versus booze.