Teachers

[Zogman]

Maybe instead of building 8 figure schools every 2 years, the dept of brainwashing could use that cash to pay teachers a wage that would make good quality folks actually want to be teachers. Just a thought.

If you want to see a new modest school see what the Forest River Colony just build a couple of years ago.

 

[Traxion]

Count in the 3 months off during the best time of the year, piles of holidays, and really zero accountability, and its a pretty sweet gig for the money.

When I taught, I was contracted till around June 10th. Back in August 10th (we started way too early, that’s another story). You know what I did those two months? Worked construction to make teaching financially viable. Now I know there are trade offs and I got a good Christmas break. But my only flexibility in the year was summer. Week long elk hunt? Not happening. Family vacation other than school holidays or summer were out. It’s easy to throw stones, but those sweet things everyone wants to point out also have downsides.

If it’s such a sweet gig, go do it. Reap the time off, fill that fat pension (I know so many retired teachers with winter houses down south….wait maybe not). Get you Christmas off. Spend your 3 months blubbering at the lake basking in the sun with your wallet full. The fact is, you dont teach for money. The retirement should be solid given your overall earnings aren’t great. The time off I view as part of the compensation. But I know most of the people who talk poorly about it wouldn’t last a day in the classroom. Parents today, and thus their kids, have made teaching less than desirable.

Accountability should be there, that I agree with. It starts at the community level. If my school was as bad as some of those stats show, I’d expect full board meetings. My guess is they’re pretty empty but the bars are full of folks complaining about the schools.

 

[woodduck30]

At least we didn't get rid of property taxes! Now we can throw millions more at the problem with the same shit results. Lack of education has proven well at the ballot box for the world will stop turning if we don't have property tax crowd.

 

[Obi-Wan]

North Dakota 2022-2024 Teacher / Administrator Compensation Summary
Full-time ADMINISTRATOR Average Compensation (school years 2021-2022 through 2023-2024)	Total FTE's	Days Employed Base Salary	Base Salary	Extended Contracts	Co-Curricular	Contract Buy Out	Comp In Lieu	Signing Bonus	Substitute Workload	Other Salary	Health Insurance	Dental, Vision, Cancer Insurance	Life, Long Term Disability Insurance	Employer TFFR	Employer FICA	Dues Fees	Other Benefits	Total Compensation
Questions	A	C	D	E
2022	Statewide Administrator	699	218	$105,940	$513	$1,332	$40	$258	$0	$109	$1,902	$13,488	$527	$164	$21,013	$8,037	$254	$726	$154,304
2023	Statewide Administrator	700	219	$107,826	$544	$1,156	$0	$363	$7	$77	$2,689	$14,173	$471	$178	$21,703	$8,222	$223	$614	$158,247
2024	Statewide Administrator	717	218	$111,626	$600	$1,204	$0	$268	$23	$169	$2,612	$13,994	$493	$168	$22,929	$8,570	$196	$604	$163,455
22 to 24 Change	18	0	5,685	86	-129	-40	10	23	60	710	506	-34	4	1,916	532	-59	-122	9,151
2022	Superintendent	135	233	$118,983	$341	$1,357	$0	$550	$0	$37	$2,529	$14,999	$572	$121	$25,945	$8,825	$438	$1,089	$175,786
2023	Superintendent	137	237	$122,466	$635	$1,073	$0	$746	$0	$145	$2,999	$19,931	$338	$212	$26,925	$9,133	$372	$707	$185,682
2024	Superintendent	138	234	$123,212	$629	$1,249	$0	$539	$79	$305	$3,049	$17,087	$348	$132	$27,846	$9,288	$294	$705	$184,761
22 to 24 Change	3	1	4,229	288	-108	0	-11	79	268	519	2,088	-224	11	1,901	463	-144	-385	8,975
2022	Principal	379	212	$100,027	$480	$1,388	$73	$220	$0	$165	$1,726	$13,282	$452	$157	$20,353	$7,646	$276	$747	$146,993
2023	Principal	382	212	$101,739	$529	$1,306	$0	$325	$13	$85	$2,341	$13,422	$459	$151	$20,662	$7,863	$237	$706	$149,836
2024	Principal	376	212	$105,921	$633	$1,360	$0	$246	$15	$166	$2,438	$14,286	$472	$156	$22,103	$8,224	$226	$689	$156,937
22 to 24 Change	-3	0	5,895	153	-28	-73	26	15	2	712	1,004	20	-1	1,750	578	-50	-58	9,944
2022	Director / Asst. Director	60	226	$106,844	$1,501	$2,220	$0	$0	$0	$120	$1,367	$14,024	$426	$189	$19,899	$8,291	$43	$216	$155,141
2023	Director / Asst. Director	60	224	$107,759	$884	$1,627	$0	$67	$0	$8	$2,835	$12,194	$409	$199	$20,371	$8,230	$31	$163	$154,777
2024	Director / Asst. Director	59	223	$115,717	$958	$1,080	$0	$0	$0	$30	$2,308	$10,859	$441	$204	$23,318	$8,906	$32	$280	$164,133
22 to 24 Change	-1	-3	8,873	-542	-1,140	0	0	0	-90	941	-3,165	15	15	3,419	614	-10	64	8,993
2022	Assistant Superintendent	14	250	$159,397	$536	$0	$0	$0	$0	$0	$2,210	$14,707	$566	$307	$25,936	$11,146	$74	$650	$215,529
2023	Assistant Superintendent	14	250	$164,737	$536	$0	$0	$0	$0	$0	$4,051	$13,613	$478	$295	$28,790	$11,611	$89	$609	$224,809
2024	Assistant Superintendent	14	245	$171,661	$0	$34	$0	$0	$0	$0	$5,302	$14,528	$499	$320	$28,534	$12,179	$89	$661	$233,807
22 to 24 Change	0	-5	12,264	-536	34	0	0	0	0	3,093	-179	-67	13	2,598	1,033	14	11	18,278
2022	Assistant Principal	111	213	$103,038	$302	$799	$0	$205	$0	$12	$1,990	$11,913	$777	$210	$17,246	$7,884	$94	$495	$144,966
2023	Assistant Principal	107	213	$103,408	$296	$613	$0	$221	$0	$7	$3,274	$10,666	$716	$207	$18,554	$7,889	$110	$423	$146,383
2024	Assistant Principal	130	213	$107,504	$374	$884	$0	$196	$0	$113	$2,501	$11,232	$731	$210	$19,316	$8,264	$90	$390	$151,807
22 to 24 Change	19	-1	4,466	72	85	0	-9	0	101	511	-681	-45	0	2,070	380	-4	-105	6,841
Full-time TEACHER Average Compensation (school years 2021-2022 through 2023-2024)	Total FTE's	Days Employed Base Salary	Base Salary	Extended Contracts	Co-Curricular	Contract Buy Out	Comp In Lieu	Signing Bonus	Substitute Workload	Other Salary	Health Insurance	Dental, Vision, Cancer Insurance	Life, Long Term Disability Insurance	Employer TFFR	Employer FICA	Dues Fees	Other Benefits	Total Compensation
2022	Statewide Teacher	9,613	186	$56,907	$698	$1,684	$5	$133	$6	$192	$1,291	$8,961	$318	$113	$11,382	$4,410	$2	$219	$86,321
2023	Statewide Teacher	9,699	186	$57,496	$954	$1,747	$3	$101	$8	$207	$1,839	$8,648	$295	$108	$11,644	$4,500	$5	$218	$87,775
2024	Statewide Teacher	9,779	186	$59,823	$1,124	$1,921	$2	$104	$10	$252	$1,742	$8,681	$297	$108	$12,341	$4,716	$4	$219	$91,346
22 to 24 Change	166	0	2,916	427	237	-3	-29	4	60	451	-280	-21	-4	959	306	2	-1	5,026

 

[Kurtr]

When I taught, I was contracted till around June 10th. Back in August 10th (we started way too early, that’s another story). You know what I did those two months? Worked construction to make teaching financially viable. Now I know there are trade offs and I got a good Christmas break. But my only flexibility in the year was summer. Week long elk hunt? Not happening. Family vacation other than school holidays or summer were out. It’s easy to throw stones, but those sweet things everyone wants to point out also have downsides.

If it’s such a sweet gig, go do it. Reap the time off, fill that fat pension (I know so many retired teachers with winter houses down south….wait maybe not). Get you Christmas off. Spend your 3 months blubbering at the lake basking in the sun with your wallet full. The fact is, you dont teach for money. The retirement should be solid given your overall earnings aren’t great. The time off I view as part of the compensation. But I know most of the people who talk poorly about it wouldn’t last a day in the classroom. Parents today, and thus their kids, have made teaching less than desirable.

Accountability should be there, that I agree with. It starts at the community level. If my school was as bad as some of those stats show, I’d expect full board meetings. My guess is they’re pretty empty but the bars are full of folks complaining about the schools.

Just owning a daycare for a while proved dealing with todays parents are a living hell.

 

[johnr]

When I taught, I was contracted till around June 10th. Back in August 10th (we started way too early, that’s another story). You know what I did those two months? Worked construction to make teaching financially viable. Now I know there are trade offs and I got a good Christmas break. But my only flexibility in the year was summer. Week long elk hunt? Not happening. Family vacation other than school holidays or summer were out. It’s easy to throw stones, but those sweet things everyone wants to point out also have downsides.

If it’s such a sweet gig, go do it. Reap the time off, fill that fat pension (I know so many retired teachers with winter houses down south….wait maybe not). Get you Christmas off. Spend your 3 months blubbering at the lake basking in the sun with your wallet full. The fact is, you dont teach for money. The retirement should be solid given your overall earnings aren’t great. The time off I view as part of the compensation. But I know most of the people who talk poorly about it wouldn’t last a day in the classroom. Parents today, and thus their kids, have made teaching less than desirable.

Accountability should be there, that I agree with. It starts at the community level. If my school was as bad as some of those stats show, I’d expect full board meetings. My guess is they’re pretty empty but the bars are full of folks complaining about the schools.

I could never teach, even though I have four children, I really dont like kids.
I am not saying its easy, or talentless, just stating I don't get to take my summers off, and if I did I would expect 25% less pay than I am getting now. I also fund my own retirement, and take zero insurance benefits, as mrs johnrs are cheaper to cover the fam.

God bless teachers, or I should say the good ones

 

[wslayer]

Could never cut it as a teacher. Would be fired in no time, as little Johnny or Sally runs home and cries to their parents for the discipline that I posed on them that should have been done by their parents to start with.
I have seen it too many times of parents that shouldn't have been. You brought them into this world, teach them values and common sense at home and they may be beneficial to society and not head down the wrong path. My .02¢

Agreed @johnr , God Bless Teachers

 

[Zogman]

Just owning a daycare for a while proved dealing with todays parents are a living hell.

Where and when did this all go wrong? It is so very sad!

 

[camper]

Count in the 3 months off during the best time of the year, piles of holidays, and really zero accountability, and its a pretty sweet gig for the money.

I bet you used to be one of the nightmare parents.

 

[camper]

with a very generous benefit package and retirement pension.............

All earned.

 

[Obi-Wan]

with a very generous benefit package and retirement pension.............

Jason Hornbacher former Bismarck Superintendent of schools retired a year or two ago and if not mistaken his pension should be 60% of his exit Salary which would be
$126,000.00 a year FOR LIFE.
I believe he is 60 yrs old so this could go on for quite a few years.

This is what I found
The TFFR pension replaces 60% of pre-retirement income for a teacher with 30 years of service.

Jason Hornbacher earned $210,000 in 2023, according to public payroll data from Bismarck Public School District. His job title was listed as a Superintendent Of Schools.

In 2023, Jason Hornbacher's compensation was:

• 214% higher than the average salary at Bismarck Public School District.
• 43% higher than the average salary for a Superintendent Of Schools position in 2023.

 

[Colt45]

I could retire off of $126 guaranteed for life real easy

 

[johnr]

I bet you used to be one of the nightmare parents.

No, I thought you knew I was a conservative, which of course as you know better than anyone, means I have a wife (the mother of our kids), we go to church, kids were in sports, music, and scouts. All were baptized and confirmed.

You have me confused with one of the liberal loonies on this site.

Secondly, what an odd thing for you to say. I believe its what liberals do best and its called projecting.

 

[Obi-Wan]

I could retire off of $126 guaranteed for life real easy

at taxpayer expense. Like I said I believe he is 60 and if he lives the average male life expectancy of 76.5 yrs of age that will cost the taxpayers just over $ 2,000,000.00 with ZERO benefit to the taxpayers

 

[camper]

No, I thought you knew I was a conservative, which of course as you know better than anyone, means I have a wife (the mother of our kids), we go to church, kids were in sports, music, and scouts. All were baptized and confirmed.

You have me confused with one of the liberal loonies on this site.

Secondly, what an odd thing for you to say. I believe its what liberals do best and its called projecting.

Thanks for confirming my last post.

 

[jdfisherman]

Maybe instead of building 8 figure schools every 2 years, the dept of brainwashing could use that cash to pay teachers a wage that would make good quality folks actually want to be teachers. Just a thought.

Part of my work deals with school design/construction. On almost every project the initial design comes from all the wants/needs of staff. Then the architect adds all the fancy stuff (they get paid a percentage of the construction cost so the more they can make it cost the more they make). The first cost estimate always comes in over budget so cuts have to be made. They never cut the fancy stuff or the "public" spaces of the building (admin, lunch room, auditorium, gym, etc); always the square footage of the teaching spaces. Then the project gets built and 3 -5 years later they are complaining the school is too crowded and want to go out for a referendum to build another school.