Trespass Bill Part 2

[gst]

Suddenly everyone wants more than just the property tax liabilities. THAT was the origin of this little back and forth with old eye waaaaaaaayyyyyy back when the legislature was discussing eliminating property tax. Simple total property tax liabilites.

Tell you what trip, you start whining about ag as much as old eye does and maybe we can swap property tax liabilities. But maybe I can line you up with a neighbor or two that have a few more acres than we do instead?

Anyways, not much different this go round either.

Good one John r..........

 

[Trip McNeely]

just calling a spade a spade, not whining. not bashing. it is what it is. you talk of tax liability well no shit it may be higher in total over thousands of acres but with that liability comes profit and yes losses and with that comes subsidies and gov. progams ie tax dollars to protect against losses. compare that with residential, commercial or industrial acreage and its not even close. im not going to get into a pissing match with you. i will gladly trade you tax liabilities if i got he benefits that came with it. because my tax liabilities do not come with them. and thank you to the "dipshit" who neg repped and called me a dipshit. you made my point for me. theres alot of people who would gladly trade places with a farmer. i never said farming was easy guy who was too chicken shit to sign there name with their comment. im sure there are alot of north dakotans who would gladly trade places with you guys but due to economics of starting farming ( hand me down operations) pretty well impossible for average joe to do. hence the comment you guys dont know how good you have it. and yes gst im sure the big operators up there have a healthy tax liability, but then again perfecting the art of prevent plant eases that burden. is it every 3 or 4 years to get a crop in now?

 

[gst]

Holy trip chill out. This little dance with eye goes back to a discussion about property tax. Not who is making what off what but what those property taxes pay for.

The legislature quite a while back decided to try and create a formula where no one group of people were paying more than their "fair share" when it comes to the taxes that pay for a variety of things in our communities. Ya farmers get property tax breaks on their homes, they also pay a substantial tax burden on other lands. Those property taxes of every one pay for a lot of the same things in different communities. Go to a rural school and see what percentage of funding comes from rural property taxes versus urban property tax. So should I pay for more of your kids education simply becasue I make monies off the lands that are taxed? What if I am using those monies to hire you and pay you a wage? What if the monies off those lands pay your wage at the implement dealer allowing you to own that home? How much do you want to tie to that profit made off those lands?

Nice little jab with the prevent plant deal, but maybe you ought to crunch the numbers abit to see just how much of a burden it would ease, you might be surprised.

Oh hey the subsidies....never met a farmer yet that buries them in a jar in the back yard. Those new pickups guys like pg and eye whine about who is really being subsidized when the dollars flow thru one account into another...........what does the Chevy dealer go out and buy with those subsidy dollars he gets for the pickups he sells? Who does he hire? But then they are not really farm subsidizes but rather a food security program for this nation which YOU receive every time you go to the grocery store...I wish I could get a ROI on my investment in farming YOU get on your tax dollar you pay to the nations food security program................want to get rid of them....I'm right there with ya, we can raise most every bit of food we need so I really won;t be impacted by rising food costs or shortages of certain commodities. but hey lets throw the typical rhetoric out there and then wonder why some farmers get tired of jack asses that claim it is THEIR wildlife and they have a "right" to hunt it on others lands and spout off like the fools they are.........and what does that get you? Does it really make you feel better?

Push the pendelum with stupid rhetoric like what eye spouts.......should be a couple sessions before this bill pops up again.

Jeesh.

 

[lunkerslayer]

Actually it's pretty easy to get into farming if you want to start off simple or small. There are many programs now that allow young families to get into farming based on education example business degree in farming as well as work ethic of generations of past. Farming isn't just a job its a life long career where one gets a satisfaction knowing that he is doing the best with what God has given him. The motto saving for a rainy day comes into practice of generations passed because you knew that nobody was going to give you a hand out like some pan handler on the street.

My dad owns his business out right but still based on labor market can struggle from week to week if labor doesnt shows up. He couod ask for money to through grants or low income loans but he is old school where he knows that God will give him what he needs. He's a fighter like many north Dakota people who knows that perseverance of knowing that nothing is for free, because even at the end of the day the old man if God takes him tomorrow he won't have to worry about owning anyone anything.

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Oh you mean the farm /food stamp bill that Obama signed that was almost a trillion dollars which I have to pay with my taxes.

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I hope trump makes those dirty farmers toe the line no more hand outs get rid of sugar beet subsidies no more off road fuel tax make farmers pay the same as us.All farmers need to pay overtime ,workman comp to as well as drivers needing a cdl to drive

 

[You]

Any discussion on the fact this'll turn the drawing of a badlands mulie buck tag into a once every 15 year event? (At best 5 tags per lifetime)
Any discussion on the fact land prices will sharply increase as city slickers gobble up ag land to secure their access?
Any discussion on the fact that land owners will be bothered more than ever about granting access?
Any discussion on the fact this will drastically increase pay-for-play hunting?
Any discussion on the fact this will put extreme pressure on our fishing resources? (Bumper boats baby!)

Out state doesn't have the public land to support this. This does little good for anyone. Contact your legislators ASAP.

 

[Obi-Wan]

I think you are missing the point if property tax is to be collected fairly it should be base on value period. One should not pay a lower rate or valuated differently because its agricultural, residential, or an in town business. If anything residential should be taxed at a lesser value because everyone needs a place to live and in most cases does not produce any income.

#Alwayswiththestories

You seem to have a higher than ususal run in with angry ranchers with all your stories plains...........

Nice rhetoric though.......

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What I am saying is I would be willing to swap what our farm/ranch pays in total property tax liability for what you pay in total property tax liabilities.

That is not really that hard to comprehend.

As you have declined that offer every time it as been presented I guess you will do so again so there really is nothing more to discuss.

If you change your mind let me know.

 

[Poot]

I do believe surveyors need to get landowner permission already .

 

[eyexer]

just calling a spade a spade, not whining. not bashing. it is what it is. you talk of tax liability well no shit it may be higher in total over thousands of acres but with that liability comes profit and yes losses and with that comes subsidies and gov. progams ie tax dollars to protect against losses. compare that with residential, commercial or industrial acreage and its not even close. im not going to get into a pissing match with you. i will gladly trade you tax liabilities if i got he benefits that came with it. because my tax liabilities do not come with them. and thank you to the "dipshit" who neg repped and called me a dipshit. you made my point for me. theres alot of people who would gladly trade places with a farmer. i never said farming was easy guy who was too chicken shit to sign there name with their comment. im sure there are alot of north dakotans who would gladly trade places with you guys but due to economics of starting farming ( hand me down operations) pretty well impossible for average joe to do. hence the comment you guys dont know how good you have it. and yes gst im sure the big operators up there have a healthy tax liability, but then again perfecting the art of prevent plant eases that burden. is it every 3 or 4 years to get a crop in now?

anytime GST is made to look like a dipshit he gives negative rep. big deal. I could give a shit less. He tried to confuse the issue because he knows damn well they have the world by the ass and everybody lets it happen. He has to muddy the water to make himself feel and look better lol. When you've had as many hundreds of thousands of dollars of subsidies as he has your guilt gets the best of you.

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Holy trip chill out. This little dance with eye goes back to a discussion about property tax. Not who is making what off what but what those property taxes pay for.

The legislature quite a while back decided to try and create a formula where no one group of people were paying more than their "fair share" when it comes to the taxes that pay for a variety of things in our communities. Ya farmers get property tax breaks on their homes, they also pay a substantial tax burden on other lands. Those property taxes of every one pay for a lot of the same things in different communities. Go to a rural school and see what percentage of funding comes from rural property taxes versus urban property tax. So should I pay for more of your kids education simply becasue I make monies off the lands that are taxed? What if I am using those monies to hire you and pay you a wage? What if the monies off those lands pay your wage at the implement dealer allowing you to own that home? How much do you want to tie to that profit made off those lands?

Nice little jab with the prevent plant deal, but maybe you ought to crunch the numbers abit to see just how much of a burden it would ease, you might be surprised.

Oh hey the subsidies....never met a farmer yet that buries them in a jar in the back yard. Those new pickups guys like pg and eye whine about who is really being subsidized when the dollars flow thru one account into another...........what does the Chevy dealer go out and buy with those subsidy dollars he gets for the pickups he sells? Who does he hire? But then they are not really farm subsidizes but rather a food security program for this nation which YOU receive every time you go to the grocery store...I wish I could get a ROI on my investment in farming YOU get on your tax dollar you pay to the nations food security program................want to get rid of them....I'm right there with ya, we can raise most every bit of food we need so I really won;t be impacted by rising food costs or shortages of certain commodities. but hey lets throw the typical rhetoric out there and then wonder why some farmers get tired of jack asses that claim it is THEIR wildlife and they have a "right" to hunt it on others lands and spout off like the fools they are.........and what does that get you? Does it really make you feel better?

Push the pendelum with stupid rhetoric like what eye spouts.......should be a couple sessions before this bill pops up again.

Jeesh.

the problem with your argument is that other brick and mortar business's pay far greater property taxes than you could ever dream of. What do you think an operation like Menards pays? Probably four times what you pay on all your land. So who is paying for the kids education? Here is a research project for you. Give us the totals of what ag land pays in for property taxes vs brick and mortar buildings. And I can't wait for this cheap food to arrive at my grocery store lol

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Actually it's pretty easy to get into farming if you want to start off simple or small. There are many programs now that allow young families to get into farming based on education example business degree in farming as well as work ethic of generations of past. Farming isn't just a job its a life long career where one gets a satisfaction knowing that he is doing the best with what God has given him. The motto saving for a rainy day comes into practice of generations passed because you knew that nobody was going to give you a hand out like some pan handler on the street.

My dad owns his business out right but still based on labor market can struggle from week to week if labor doesnt shows up. He couod ask for money to through grants or low income loans but he is old school where he knows that God will give him what he needs. He's a fighter like many north Dakota people who knows that perseverance of knowing that nothing is for free, because even at the end of the day the old man if God takes him tomorrow he won't have to worry about owning anyone anything.

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Oh you mean the farm /food stamp bill that Obama signed that was almost a trillion dollars which I have to pay with my taxes.

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I hope trump makes those dirty farmers toe the line no more hand outs get rid of sugar beet subsidies no more off road fuel tax make farmers pay the same as us.All farmers need to pay overtime ,workman comp to as well as drivers needing a cdl to drive

And farmers don't pay the employers portion of social security for their employees either. they're exempt from that.

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I do believe surveyors need to get landowner permission already .

I don't think so. Why would they?

 

[Poot]

On X Hunt app has plots and public lands as well as private land owners. It cost a little but I think it is well worth it . There is thousands of acres accessible in ND for the outdoor enthusiasts. PLOTS is also available on line or in the nd guide book you probably already know about. .

 

[Livetohuntandfish]

Wow after reading most of this crap makes me want a lot of you guys posting to come and hang out for a day at my farm. You guys are correct about a certain percent of farmers (2-5%) use the system, just like any other business out there. The rest of us work hard for what we have, and don't get nor take free hand outs everywhere we turn like you guys think. And off road desiel- construction, commercial, agriculture, anyone who owns a bobcat. Means it's not driven on roads thus you don't pay road taxes. Sure glad I don't know any of your names or faces because if you ever came to ask permission on my land you'd get a swift kick in the butt.... this is the problem a lot. Like we live in different worlds. You hate us but yet you want to hunt on our land. I see most of the anger must be a long going thing but I garantee most farmers would look at these posts and get pretty pissed off on the way you guys think our lives go... o and to the prevent plant comment..... you go ahead and think of it this way. You put in half a year planning to put a crop in and get to a spring that you can't even walk across your land. Take 2011 for example. Good average was 220$ and acre for pp. 50$ rent, and you had to put about 50$ into keeping that land fit for the next year. Spraying cultivating etc. so your at 120$. Wheat was around 12$. So if you could have gotten in you could have made off a 50bu crop 600$. And expenses were right around 280 including everything. I consider that year a disaster. Thank god we had pp or there would have been failures everywhere. Do you have business insurance. We weren't making more then planting but it was insurance against losing the farm....

 

[Kurtr]

Any discussion on the fact this'll turn the drawing of a badlands mulie buck tag into a once every 15 year event? (At best 5 tags per lifetime)
Any discussion on the fact land prices will sharply increase as city slickers gobble up ag land to secure their access?
Any discussion on the fact that land owners will be bothered more than ever about granting access?
Any discussion on the fact this will drastically increase pay-for-play hunting?
Any discussion on the fact this will put extreme pressure on our fishing resources? (Bumper boats baby!)

Out state doesn't have the public land to support this. This does little good for anyone. Contact your legislators ASAP.

If all that was truly going to happen would it have not happened down here? Rifle tags both east and west river go to the lake and don't see another boat and public land that I can't hunt in a year. But maybe since we are the superior Dakota it does not affect us like that . This is fun.

 

[PrairieGhost]

If all that was truly going to happen would it have not happened down here? Rifle tags both east and west river go to the lake and don't see another boat and public land that I can't hunt in a year. But maybe since we are the superior Dakota it does not affect us like that . This is fun.

Ya ya if your from South Dakota your crap don't stink. Good for you. Do you know you have so much more public land that it's not even comparable? On other forms I see there are people from the Peoples Republic of Minnesota telling us this is ok also.

anytime GST is made to look like a dipshit he gives negative rep. big deal. I could give a shit less. He tried to confuse the issue because he knows damn well they have the world by the ass and everybody lets it happen. He has to muddy the water to make himself feel and look better lol. When you've had as many hundreds of thousands of dollars of subsidies as he has your guilt gets the best of you.

Not only do they want more, they take steps to make sure you get nothing. There is an old country song that reminds me of some of these farmers. I don't know if I can remember it perfectly it is something like:

It's just a piece of paper
It says in God we trust
A little sure feels good
A lot is not enough

This trespass bill is aimed at getting more and giving less. I don't think anyone would begrudge them if many of them were not constantly trying to crap on us. The more we support them the more they expect and the less they appreciate it. No satisfying some people.

Here is something I don't understand. Some guys on here say they are not for the bill, but constantly point out why the bill came up and why it's needed. I suspect they tell us one thing, but will call and support it. They just don't want us to know that. If this was not so there wouldn't be this debate.

 

[Obi-Wan]

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Road rights-of-way, excluding the Interstate highway system, are open for the hunting of small game and waterfowl (see Mourning Dove, Youth Pheasant and Resident-Only Pheasant seasons for special road hunting restrictions). Only the owner of the occupied dwelling, church, or schoolhouse; the owner of livestock; or a person who has
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[deleted_account]

If all that was truly going to happen would it have not happened down here? Rifle tags both east and west river go to the lake and don't see another boat and public land that I can't hunt in a year. But maybe since we are the superior Dakota it does not affect us like that . This is fun.

we've already seen the point creep for mule deer in nd. more people are applying. when the draw statistics come out this month I'll compare to last year and I bet there's a big jump in number of applicants

 

[Obi-Wan]

How many hunters that have stopped to ask with buck tags have you let on your land in the last 5 years? Family and friends don't count..

Wow after reading most of this crap makes me want a lot of you guys posting to come and hang out for a day at my farm. You guys are correct about a certain percent of farmers (2-5%) use the system, just like any other business out there. The rest of us work hard for what we have, and don't get nor take free hand outs everywhere we turn like you guys think. And off road desiel- construction, commercial, agriculture, anyone who owns a bobcat. Means it's not driven on roads thus you don't pay road taxes. Sure glad I don't know any of your names or faces because if you ever came to ask permission on my land you'd get a swift kick in the butt.... this is the problem a lot. Like we live in different worlds. You hate us but yet you want to hunt on our land. I see most of the anger must be a long going thing but I garantee most farmers would look at these posts and get pretty pissed off on the way you guys think our lives go... o and to the prevent plant comment..... you go ahead and think of it this way. You put in half a year planning to put a crop in and get to a spring that you can't even walk across your land. Take 2011 for example. Good average was 220$ and acre for pp. 50$ rent, and you had to put about 50$ into keeping that land fit for the next year. Spraying cultivating etc. so your at 120$. Wheat was around 12$. So if you could have gotten in you could have made off a 50bu crop 600$. And expenses were right around 280 including everything. I consider that year a disaster. Thank god we had pp or there would have been failures everywhere. Do you have business insurance. We weren't making more then planting but it was insurance against losing the farm....

 

[Livetohuntandfish]

About 5, all bow hunters for buck. For does I've let a few hunters on. A couple during rifle season. Deer hunting means everything to me, so following deer from fawn to big buck is what I do. No excuses, just what I do. I hunt with neighbors and a few close friends. Funny thing is there's been a lot of years where we have turned down and never even shot a deer. Called management. Now with every other species on my land if you knock on my door and ask I'll be happy to even show you where to hunt.

 

[db-2]

Life is just not very simple as it once was but I assume that comes with age. There was a time my main concern was finding a bootlegger for beer and who I would end up that night with, now there are other concerns.

We have created a lot of dependents on the government over the years. Putting the natives on reservation, half our population on food stamps and starting subsidies for farms back in I assume in the 1920 or 1930.

Food is the basics of society and we need to protect that industry. At the same time it appears that we have no need to protect the local business from going out of business(unless there a big corporation). I have no problem with some of my tax dollars going to provide me with what is call cheap food. I do appreciate the food they raise. Maybe if the farmer/rancher would just do a better job of showing their appreciation to me for some of my tax dollars going there way.

Farming /ranching is a way of life. The cow/calf man is a prime example of that. They are at the bottom of the totem pole with little subsidies. I do feel for them but it is there choice in life. All they ask for is a horse, a dog, a pickup in four different colors and a wife working in town. God bless them for the beef they give me to eat. db

 

[Kurtr]

Ya ya if your from South Dakota your crap don't stink. Good for you. Do you know you have so much more public land that it's not even comparable? On other forms I see there are people from the Peoples Republic of Minnesota telling us this is ok also.
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IF you like road hunters this is what is coming if you want all land posted



SD hunting hand book

Hunting on Public Road Rights-of-Way



Laws and rules governing trespass and motor vehicles
are complex. The laws may be simplified if the hunter remembers to hunt only on foot during established seasons, to ask permission to enter private land and not to drive on state and federal lands. It is also advisable to restrict vehicular travel in wet weather when roads, trails, rangeland and cropland could be damaged and in dry conditions when fire danger is high.






ATTENTION DOG OWNERS:





Hunters who hunt road rights-of-way should understand they must maintain control of their hunting dogs at all times. Dog owners who allow their animals to remain on private property without landowner permission for the purpose of flushing game birds may be subject to trespassing charges. Dogs may be used in the unarmed retrieval of lawfully taken waterfowl and small game birds from private property. However, under no circumstances may dogs be used to intentionally flush birds from private property to hunters in the road rights-of-way.


Road rights-of-way, excluding the Interstate highway system, are open for the hunting of small game and waterfowl (see Mourning Dove, Youth Pheasant and Resident-Only Pheasant seasons for special road hunting restrictions). Only the owner of the occupied dwelling, church, or schoolhouse; the owner of livestock; or a person who has
written permission from the owner of the occupied dwelling, church, or schoolhouse, or the owner of the livestock may use such highways or rights-of-way for the purposes of discharging any firearm or for the purposes of hunting within a 660 foot safety zone surrounding an occupied dwelling, a church, schoolhouse, or livestock. No other person may discharge a firearm at small game within the safety zone.






The rights-of-way along a section line or other highway are open for hunting if:









1. The rights-of-way have been commonly used by the public for vehicular travel, as demonstrated by the existence of a well-worn
vehicle trail.
2. An intentional alteration or adaptation has been made to the rights-of-way to enhance
the natural terrain’s utility for vehicular travel or to permit vehicular travel where it was not possible before.
NOTE:
Fences are sometimes not on a rights-of-way boundary and sometimes there is no fence. Most section line rights-of-way are 66 feet wide. Some acquired rights-of-way are wider.
• Hunters can take only small game (except mourning doves) and waterfowl within the rights-of-way on foot. The hunter must be within the rights-of-way and the game must have taken flight from within or be flying over the rights-of-way.
• The person must park or stop their vehicle
as far to the right-hand side of the road as possible.
• If the person who discharges a firearm is more than 50 yards from the vehicle, the doors on the
side of the vehicle nearest the roadway must be closed, but the engine may remain running.
• If the person who discharges a firearm is less than 50 yards from the vehicle, all of the doors
of the vehicle must be closed and the engine shall be turned off.
• It is NOT legal to shoot small game and
waterfowl that takes flight from rights-of-way over a Federal Refuge or Tribal lands. If a state-licensed hunter shoots at a bird across the fence on either of these lands, the hunter may be subject to federal arrest.
• Small game and waterfowl taken from the
rights-of-way but falling onto private property can be retrieved by unarmed hunters on foot.
• No person may discharge a firearm, muzzleloader, crossbow or bow and arrow at any big game animal, except turkey to be taken
with a shotgun using shot shells or with a bow and arrow, from within the rights-of-way of an improved public highway.
• A person may not discharge a firearm or other
weapon across or from any Black Hills National Forest system road.





• Any person who, while hunting road rights-of-way, negligently endangers another person or
puts that person in fear of imminent serious bodily harm, is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

Ya it is hardly noticeable after opening weekend.

we've already seen the point creep for mule deer in nd. more people are applying. when the draw statistics come out this month I'll compare to last year and I bet there's a big jump in number of applicants

I am sure but your guys whole deer system is a bad deal along with the management. And i am just funin i am bored and cold

 

[gst]

I think you are missing the point if property tax is to be collected fairly it should be base on value period. One should not pay a lower rate or valuated differently because its agricultural, residential, or an in town business. If anything residential should be taxed at a lesser value because everyone needs a place to live and in most cases does not produce any income.

If it is soley about a place to live I am certainly willing to pay my fair share on the home I live in and do away with tax on production ag lands.


is there not a separate income tax that taxes the "value" the ag property generates?

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The "point" here obi goes waaaaay back when we were discussing doing away with the property tax altogether and the comments eye made in that discussion.

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anytime GST is made to look like a dipshit he gives negative rep. big deal.

eye

you just can;t help yourself posting shit that is not true. I have only given one negative rep on this site when someone posted an outright lie.

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the problem with your argument is that other brick and mortar business's pay far greater property taxes than you could ever dream of. What do you think an operation like Menards pays? Probably four times what you pay on all your land. So who is paying for the kids education? Here is a research project for you. Give us the totals of what ag land pays in for property taxes vs brick and mortar buildings. And I can't wait for this cheap food to arrive at my grocery store lol

eye how much does Menards pay to my school in Mohall?

When this school decides to upgrade a 80 year old shop how much does Menards get whacked on the mill increase?

You do know there is education outside the big city you live in right?

It appears you are now whining cause your food is not cheap enough?? Go to other countries and shop.

 

[Kurtr]

hahha some one needs a tub of butt hurt butter or they are pissed there lady got sent home on the bachelor last night