Well this is going to get interesting

[eyexer]

I hope they stay and fight the treaty so we can finally put this shit to rest.

 

[johnr]

If they stay, they sure better not expect our police, ambulance, fire, EMT's, etc to come to their aid when the weather turns ugly tomorrow. Our hero's sure don't need to put themselves in grave danger to help these guys after they have been told to vacate.

 

[snow]

Yup,been there done that,give the injuns an inch and they'll take a mile,now its north Dakotas turn,the difference I see is the north Dakota tribe/tribes haven't the capitol $$$ to make a case like we had here in Minn,bookoo bucks in revenue from the casino's here and our folks in office run scared the minute someone yells "law suit",plus our tribes line the pockets of the dems in office here by the millions every year.

One would think if the feds would cut the funds to these reservations this would be over in no time,after all how many more years do we have to pay out tax dollars to a soveign nation?

 

[Kurtr]

a casino needs to be built in Huff or some where north of PKC and make sure it is just not tough talk and that dollars are not spent at pkc for years to come

 

[Brian Renville]

Yup,been there done that,give the injuns an inch and they'll take a mile,now its north Dakotas turn,the difference I see is the north Dakota tribe/tribes haven't the capitol $$$ to make a case like we had here in Minn,bookoo bucks in revenue from the casino's here and our folks in office run scared the minute someone yells "law suit",plus our tribes line the pockets of the dems in office here by the millions every year.

One would think if the feds would cut the funds to these reservations this would be over in no time,after all how many more years do we have to pay out tax dollars to a soveign nation?

I don't think any of it will end any time soon:

Country	Economic and Military Assistance FY 2013, $US millions	Aid received per person recipient FY2013, $US	Economic Assistance FY 2013, $US millions	Military Assistance FY2013, $US millions
Afghanistan	4533.51	148	2653.93	1879.58
Israel	2961.04	367	17.81	2943.23
Egypt	1566.24	19	330.6	1235.6
Jordan	1211.83	188	879.64	332.19
West Bank/Gaza	1007.73	370		was
Ethiopia	686.53	7	685.19	1.34
South Sudan	618.74	55	598.79	19.96
Malawi	571.18	35	570.91	0.27
Uganda	541.93	14	538.3	3.62
South Africa	526.19	10	523.86	2.32
Nigeria	518.84	3	509.41	9.43
Russia	465.16	3	445.07	20.08
Iraq	444.81	13	382.7	62.11
Tanzania	430.66	9	427.82	2.84
Mexico	419.94	3	348.72	71.21
Congo (Kinshasa)	379.24	6	366.73	12.52
Haiti	378.77	37	377.04	1.73
Lebanon	376.41	84	286.03	90.38
Somalia	367.18	35	188	179.18
Zambia	310.8	22	310.26	0.54
Sudan (former)*	290.05

Country	Economic and Military Assistance FY 2013, $US millions	Aid received per person recipient FY2013, $US	Economic Assistance FY 2013, $US millions	Military Assistance FY2013, $US millions
Afghanistan	4533.51	148	2653.93	1879.58
Israel	2961.04	367	17.81	2943.23
Egypt	1566.24	19	330.6	1235.6
Jordan	1211.83	188	879.64	332.19
West Bank/Gaza	1007.73	370		was
Ethiopia	686.53	7	685.19	1.34
South Sudan	618.74	55	598.79	19.96
Malawi	571.18	35	570.91	0.27
Uganda	541.93	14	538.3	3.62
South Africa	526.19	10	523.86	2.32
Nigeria	518.84	3	509.41	9.43
Russia	465.16	3	445.07	20.08
Iraq	444.81	13	382.7	62.11
Tanzania	430.66	9	427.82	2.84
Mexico	419.94	3	348.72	71.21
Congo (Kinshasa)	379.24	6	366.73	12.52
Haiti	378.77	37	377.04	1.73
Lebanon	376.41	84	286.03	90.38
Somalia	367.18	35	188	179.18
Zambia	310.8	22	310.26	0.54
Sudan (former)*	290.05

Those are just the top 25.

 

[dean nelson]

Two take aways i have from this weekend trip to Bismark. It sucks ass taking 83 as it adds an hour and half to over all trip. Also bismark snow removal in parking lots is about as bad as it can get would be better to do nothing. I did see a prius with new york license plates stuck in one of the gaping canyons in the menards parking lot with a couple hippys in it. Wife asked if i was going to help them kid chimed in from the back seat " we dont help hippys mom" guess i need to watch what i say around him even though he was right.

Why not just come up 6 it's the shortest drive at this point.

 

[Kurtr]

Why not just come up 6 it's the shortest drive at this point.

Didnt want to chance it with kid with.

 

[dean nelson]

Now that the crossing of 6 is done you don't see any protest activities on the road other then higher number of vehicles going down the road and that is only from 24 on north. I personally would have zero fear of anything other then getting stuck behind a California driver going 45 because of weather. spent a ton of time up to within 3 miles of the camp and saw absolutely zero aggressive protesters during the 40 some odd trips down there and a couple of the spots I was very visible to them near 24 and 1806.

 

[Bed Wetter]

Sounds like rioters may head to Flint MI next? I hope they take Archambeault and his ilk with. Please Santa, all I want for Christmas...

http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/ind..._veternas_say_they_wil.html#incart_river_home

 

[gst]

http://www.usace.army.mil/Dakota-Access-Pipeline/FAQs/


USACE does not directly determine what routes pipelines and other utilities will take across the nation. A denial of a permit may in fact alter the route of a planned utility, but USACE does not make the final determination on primary or recommend alternate utility route decisions. The USACE did evaluate alternatives as part of compliance with the National Environmental Policy Act, including one alternative route north of Bismarck, N.D. This alternative was determined not to be a viable alternative because of multiple factors including that it was not co-located with other infrastructure, the route's impacts to wellhead water resources, constraints on the route from the North Dakota Public Service Commission's 500-foot residential buffer requirement, and the route's additional impacts to areas identified as High Consequence areas under Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration regulations.


On July 25, 2016, the Omaha, Rock Island, and St. Louis Districts verified that approximately 200 water body crossings by the pipeline were authorized under Nationwide Permit #12, and the Omaha and Rock Island District commanders granted permission under 33 U.S.C. § 408 (section 408) where the pipeline crossed Corp-managed projects. Covered by these actions were two of the three authorizations required for the Lake Oahe crossing - the section 408 permission and the Nationwide Permit #12 verification. These authorizations did not include the third authorization for the Lake Oahe crossing, which is the easement required to cross Corps-managed federal lands. On August 4, 2016, the St. Louis District granted section 408 permissions for crossings at (1) McGee Creek and (2) Coon Run Levees in Illinois; (3) Carlyle Lake flowage easements in Illinois, and (4) Illinois River navigation channel in Pike and Morgan counties Illinois. On August 5, 2016, the St. Louis District also issued verifications that water crossings at Illinois River and in Fayette County, Illinois, met the terms and conditions of Nationwide Permit #12.
So 2 out of 3 authorizations were granted along with over 200 other water crossings.


A: USACE has jurisdiction only over a very small portions of the total DAPL project, approximately 3 percent of the pipeline’s 1,168 total miles, and not over the entire pipeline. The USACE approved approximately 200 jurisdictional water crossings that required permission under the Clean Water Act and the Rivers and Harbors Act, gave permission for the pipeline to cross seven USACE projects and managed federal lands under 33 U.S.C. 408. USACE has not granted the easement for the pipeline to cross Lake Oahe. USACE determined that an Environmental Impact Study prepared under the National Environmental Policy Act was not required for any of the portions of the pipeline within USACE's jurisdiction.


So it seems the rules regarding environmental impact as well as permitting were followed. Seems as thought the intent to permit this pipeline would stand up in a court of law..................maybe not one of Obamas courts. It would be nice if these protector supporters would actually know a few of these facts

Want to see Obamas DOJs position? (note the emboldened portion of the COE statement above. The area the DOJ claims needs a NEPA ruling on is the portion under the COE juristiction it is claiming none was needed on. "I'm from the govt and I'm here to help"..........

On the heels of that ruling, however, the Justice Department, the Department of the Army and the Interior Department announced that construction in an area of Army Corps' land that is particularly significant to the tribe will not go forward pending further evaluation.
"The Army will not authorize constructing the Dakota Access pipeline on Corps land bordering or under Lake Oahe until it can determine whether it will need to reconsider any of its previous decisions regarding the Lake Oahe site under the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) or other federal laws," the statement read.

 

[Kurtr]

Now that the crossing of 6 is done you don't see any protest activities on the road other then higher number of vehicles going down the road and that is only from 24 on north. I personally would have zero fear of anything other then getting stuck behind a California driver going 45 because of weather. spent a ton of time up to within 3 miles of the camp and saw absolutely zero aggressive protesters during the 40 some odd trips down there and a couple of the spots I was very visible to them near 24 and 1806.

Yep i am pretty sure nothing would happen but will drive the extra time to make sure. Just not willing to get in a spot that is avoidable with my 11 year old in the car. Its weird once one becomes a parent you start to see stuff a little different

 

[Rowdie]

a casino needs to be built in Huff or some where north of PKC and make sure it is just not tough talk and that dollars are not spent at pkc for years to come

I'm not sure if the state can open any casino's??? IDK but I think its part of a deal they struck with the tribes back when they started being able to open up gaming on the reservations. I've always thought ND could create a mini Deadwood out a Mandan if they wanted. If they couild, that would kill PKC

One thing on the treaty lands. Someone needs to step up and have the balls to say that the 1851 treaty WAS BROKEN!! Yes the tribes were wronged in the past, but new treaties were struck. The current or last treaty is the rule of law we go by. the 1851 treaty is NULL AND VOID! Lands that WERE part of old treaties that are no longer on reservations are privately owned by thousands of people. Someone needs to remind them of that FACT. And make it loud and clear!! They tribes have sued the gov't for the lands, specifically the Black Hills and won. But they wanted the land, they were awarded $$$, and lots of it. They didn't claim it. They want the land.

 

[Kurtr]

i thought i saw some one was introducing a bill to change that in ND

 

[dean nelson]

Cant blame you there. the traffic is the real danger on that road now. saw two extremely ugly head on crashes in the last month and apparently there was another one on Sat where a car from cannonball and what looks to be two out of state protest cars crashed on Sat and shut the road down for a short time. needless to say some of those southern drivers suck and the odd thing is they tend to go to slow when it's nice and to fast when its not. probably caused by the same thing that makes them view the world backwards most of the time.

 

[gst]

The fight over the Dakota Access pipeline is not over yet, despite the Armed Corps of Engineers' denial to approve permits needed to complete the $3.7 billion, 1,172-mile project, maverick Sen. Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota told CNBC on Monday.
"When you look at it, we know one thing for sure: When the administration changes, the easement is going to be approved," Heitkamp told "Squawk Box," referring to the legal right pipeline proponents are claiming to justify construction on Native American land.
"I understand the frustration of the protesters, I just think that this fight is not winnable," said the senator, adding that she hopes to continue her work to improve living conditions for Native American communities.
Heitkamp has advocated for a more positive approach on U.S. energy policy while in the Senate, pushing for heightened domestic production and North American energy independence.
The senator met with President-elect Donald Trump on Friday amid rumors she was up for a Cabinet position.

"We spent a lot of time talking about economic development, talking about energy, talking about regulation and what we need to do there, so it really was a very substantive discussion without a lot of details on positions in the Cabinet," she said.
​

Heitkamp said the two spoke a lot about jobs and highlighted Trump's "myopic focus on how he's going to get American workers back into the workplace [and] provide more economic security."
The Army announced its decision on Sunday, giving a victory to the Standing Rock Sioux tribe and its supporters, who argued the project would threaten the tribe's water source and cultural sites. Assistant Secretary for Civil Works Jo-Ellen Darcy said in a statement that her decision was based on the need to "explore alternate routes" for the pipeline's crossing of the Missouri River. Her full decision doesn't rule out that it could cross under the site or north of Bismarck.
North Dakota's leaders criticized the decision, with Gov. Jack Dalrymple calling it a "serious mistake" that "prolongs the dangerous situation" of having several hundred protesters who are camped out on federal land during cold, wintry weather. U.S. Rep. Kevin Cramer said it's a "very chilling signal" for the future of infrastructure in the United States.
Before Heitkamp became a senator, she was director of a Dakota Gasification plant, the only commercial-scale synthetic natural gas producing company in the United States.

 

[dean nelson]

I'm not sure if the state can open any casino's??? IDK but I think its part of a deal they struck with the tribes back when they started being able to open up gaming on the reservations. I've always thought ND could create a mini Deadwood out a Mandan if they wanted. If they couild, that would kill PKC

One thing on the treaty lands. Someone needs to step up and have the balls to say that the 1851 treaty WAS BROKEN!! Yes the tribes were wronged in the past, but new treaties were struck. The current or last treaty is the rule of law we go by. the 1851 treaty is NULL AND VOID! Lands that WERE part of old treaties that are no longer on reservations are privately owned by thousands of people. Someone needs to remind them of that FACT. And make it loud and clear!! They tribes have sued the gov't for the lands, specifically the Black Hills and won. But they wanted the land, they were awarded $$$, and lots of it. They didn't claim it. They want the land.

Sort of like ask the other trips how often the Sioux broke the same treaty by invading their treaty land to more or less poach game!

As for the casino I wonder if we could do the Sioux city and councill bluffs trick and put them on what can be claimed to be a river boat.

 

[Kurtr]

Cant blame you there. the traffic is the real danger on that road now. saw two extremely ugly head on crashes in the last month and apparently there was another one on Sat where a car from cannonball and what looks to be two out of state protest cars crashed on Sat and shut the road down for a short time. needless to say some of those southern drivers suck and the odd thing is they tend to go to slow when it's nice and to fast when its not. probably caused by the same thing that makes them view the world backwards most of the time.

guy from work took a few to hospital that flipped there truck down here just north of wakpala. they went in a ditch on the straight section is the odd part

- - - Updated - - -

straight up white out blizzard here right now

 

[Bed Wetter]

http://www.usace.army.mil/Dakota-Access-Pipeline/FAQs/


USACE does not directly determine what routes pipelines and other utilities will take across the nation. A denial of a permit may in fact alter the route of a planned utility, but USACE does not make the final determination on primary or recommend alternate utility route decisions. The USACE did evaluate alternatives as part of compliance with the National Environmental Policy Act, including one alternative route north of Bismarck, N.D. This alternative was determined not to be a viable alternative because of multiple factors including that it was not co-located with other infrastructure, the route's impacts to wellhead water resources, constraints on the route from the North Dakota Public Service Commission's 500-foot residential buffer requirement, and the route's additional impacts to areas identified as High Consequence areas under Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration regulations.


On July 25, 2016, the Omaha, Rock Island, and St. Louis Districts verified that approximately 200 water body crossings by the pipeline were authorized under Nationwide Permit #12, and the Omaha and Rock Island District commanders granted permission under 33 U.S.C. § 408 (section 408) where the pipeline crossed Corp-managed projects. Covered by these actions were two of the three authorizations required for the Lake Oahe crossing - the section 408 permission and the Nationwide Permit #12 verification. These authorizations did not include the third authorization for the Lake Oahe crossing, which is the easement required to cross Corps-managed federal lands. On August 4, 2016, the St. Louis District granted section 408 permissions for crossings at (1) McGee Creek and (2) Coon Run Levees in Illinois; (3) Carlyle Lake flowage easements in Illinois, and (4) Illinois River navigation channel in Pike and Morgan counties Illinois. On August 5, 2016, the St. Louis District also issued verifications that water crossings at Illinois River and in Fayette County, Illinois, met the terms and conditions of Nationwide Permit #12.
So 2 out of 3 authorizations were granted along with over 200 other water crossings.


A: USACE has jurisdiction only over a very small portions of the total DAPL project, approximately 3 percent of the pipeline’s 1,168 total miles, and not over the entire pipeline. The USACE approved approximately 200 jurisdictional water crossings that required permission under the Clean Water Act and the Rivers and Harbors Act, gave permission for the pipeline to cross seven USACE projects and managed federal lands under 33 U.S.C. 408. USACE has not granted the easement for the pipeline to cross Lake Oahe. USACE determined that an Environmental Impact Study prepared under the National Environmental Policy Act was not required for any of the portions of the pipeline within USACE's jurisdiction.


So it seems the rules regarding environmental impact as well as permitting were followed. Seems as thought the intent to permit this pipeline would stand up in a court of law..................maybe not one of Obamas courts. It would be nice if these protector supporters would actually know a few of these facts

Want to see Obamas DOJs position? (note the emboldened portion of the COE statement above. The area the DOJ claims needs a NEPA ruling on is the portion under the COE juristiction it is claiming none was needed on. "I'm from the govt and I'm here to help"..........

On the heels of that ruling, however, the Justice Department, the Department of the Army and the Interior Department announced that construction in an area of Army Corps' land that is particularly significant to the tribe will not go forward pending further evaluation.
"The Army will not authorize constructing the Dakota Access pipeline on Corps land bordering or under Lake Oahe until it can determine whether it will need to reconsider any of its previous decisions regarding the Lake Oahe site under the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) or other federal laws," the statement read.

You are wrong, and I fart in your general direction. I'll check back for your reply when this thread hits about 200 pages (so probably Wednesday).

 

[WormWiggler]

They don't care about facts, they are looking a. to squabble, b. to be involved c. to party. Not one ounce of brains in the entire f'n movement. #noposers

 

[Account Deleted]

There was accident on Hwy 6 last night while the roads were pretty much perfect. Both out of state plates. These people simply cannot drive.