Well this is going to get interesting

[Migrator Man]

Who would physically stop them from drilling? The Feds won't remove the trespassers so we know they won't come and stop the construction. DAPL needs to show who is boss.

 

[shorthairsrus]

It was drilled right before Thanksgiving.

 

[dean nelson]

I don't think so. They have the original permit to do this. There should have been no reason to rescind. 1600 miles of pipe put in prior. No court is going to side with the ACOE on that.

Actually no they don't it was never officially issued to them. The hard copy was never handed over and apparently that is required to do the work.

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Who would physically stop them from drilling? The Feds won't remove the trespassers so we know they won't come and stop the construction. DAPL needs to show who is boss.

That would be easy because people who follow the law are easy to stop.

 

[Brian Renville]

Who would physically stop them from drilling? The Feds won't remove the trespassers so we know they won't come and stop the construction. DAPL needs to show who is boss.

Who is boss? I hope DAPL isn't. A Texas company showing North Dakota that they can and will do whatever they want whenever they want is kind of a creepy thought.

 

[dean nelson]

Shorthairsrus It's a two month process putting the pipeline in under the lake. this is not something they just put in a couple days.

 

[gst]

So did heidi get something offered to her in her visit to Trump tower with the Naked Cowboy?

Does she realize after this bullshit she may not be able to get re elected after the backlash against somopne these protesters would support?


U.S. Senator Heidi Heitkamp today issued the following statement after the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers denied the easement for the Dakota Access pipeline to go under Lake Oahe.
“It’s long past time that a decision is made on the easement going under Lake Oahe. This administration’s delay in taking action -- after I’ve pushed the White House, Army Corps, and other federal agencies for months to make a decision -- means that today’s move doesn’t actually bring finality to the project. The pipeline still remains in limbo. The incoming administration already stated its support for the project and the courts have already stated twice that it appeared the Corps followed the required process in considering the permit. For the next month and a half, nothing about this project will change. For the immediate future, the safety of residents, protesters, law enforcement, and workers remains my top priority as it should for everyone involved. As some of the protesters have become increasingly violent and unlawful, and as North Dakota’s winter has already arrived – with a blizzard raging last week through the area where protesters are located -- I’m hoping now that protesters will act responsibly to avoid endangering their health and safety, and move off of the Corps land north of the Cannonball River.”

“Additionally, our federal delegation and governor have been working together in a bipartisan effort to push for more federal resources for law enforcement who have worked day and night through weekends and holidays to support the safety of our communities. The administration needs to provide those funds – whether the protesters remain or not.”
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[Brian Renville]

Interestingly enough about half the articles I see say the Corps is blocking the route while the other half including CNN are saying "will be rerouted".

 

[raider]

Wow. If he is invested with him he'd be opening himself up to a world of crap if he did act in his own favor. The Dems in congress would be screaming about it while most have kept sort of quiet so far.

if he is invested in the company, it came long b4 he had any power or influence...

meanwhile, obamas buddies soros and buffett own railroads, coal companies, and foreign oil companies who have contracts to drill off shore in south america, while ours have been mostly closed... bill and hillary made millions leveraging power and relationships through a canadian partner to sell a large %age of our (US) uranium to russia... they also sold access, favors, and God knows what else with promises made for money donated to a charity foundation that is not very charitable while hillary was sos...

if they wanna raise hell bout trump upholding law, and allowing a company to finish a legally binding contract, concerning a permitted pipeline, let them...

 

[Rowdie]

What are the chances the pipe line Co. Sues the CORPS or gov't and wins? So then who pays for a reroute would be us.

 

[You]

At this point in the game the best case scenario just happened. I was ready for the current king to hold off ruling on the issue. In turn, the protester encampment would've stayed and confrontations continued. Many will argue the best case would've been easement granted, drill/be harassed until spring. At which point camping down there has the potential to be pleasant again (weather wise) and who knows what happens (pipeline vandalism and establishing an even more 'permanent' encampment).

Arshamwhatever is already calling for the campers to go home 'for the winter' and dapl is all but ready to drill.......think about it.

I hope they listen to him :-S

So with the camp gone, Trump calls dapl, says 'get ready', issues the easement, and dapl is off to the races and done before anything significant can form.

We shall see.

(I do rent my crystal ball on occasion, pm for d tails)

 

[Brian Renville]

if he is invested in the company, it came long b4 he had any power or influence...

meanwhile, obamas buddies soros and buffett own railroads, coal companies, and foreign oil companies who have contracts to drill off shore in south america, while ours have been mostly closed... bill and hillary made millions leveraging power and relationships through a canadian partner to sell a large %age of our (US) uranium to russia... they also sold access, favors, and God knows what else with promises made for money donated to a charity foundation that is not very charitable while hillary was sos...

if they wanna raise hell bout trump upholding law, and allowing a company to finish a legally binding contract, concerning a permitted pipeline, let them...

You sound like you don't think there are double standards in politics. Everyone knows it doesn't matter what the last one was/is doing. Do we have to listen to at least 4 years of "but it's all Obama's fault!" The libs got their moneys worth out of Bush is to blame why not some payback I guess. The basic fact is it doesn't matter who did what, especially to the left, they point, scream, and cry every chance they get and they surely will this time.

If this is is indeed a legally binding contract which the Corps says it isn't they better sue the hell out of them and I hope they win. If it is decided that it isn't a legally binding contract they very well could sue the state for pushing through a permit that must not have been legit or else there wouldn't and couldn't be a problem with it being binding. Heads need to roll somewhere on this one and it's either going to be with ETP or someone working on the taxpayer dime.

 

[Sum1]

Doesn't matter what Trump does the left will be accusing him of everything and anything for the next four years. Everything he does will be a conflict of interest and grounds for impeachment.

 

[dean nelson]

What are the chances the pipe line Co. Sues the CORPS or gov't and wins? So then who pays for a reroute would be us.

They won't be rerouting it since if 72 miles is too close to a water intake then there is nowhere else to put one. Plus at this point disturbing of sacred sites can't be used now that all the pipe and dirt work that might have caused problem is already in and complete. What I'm wondering is is there a reason it has to be put in from west to east? You would think it wouldn't matter and they would be smart to but the drill pad on the east side.

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You sound like you don't think there are double standards in politics. Everyone knows it doesn't matter what the last one was/is doing. Do we have to listen to at least 4 years of "but it's all Obama's fault!" The libs got their moneys worth out of Bush is to blame why not some payback I guess. The basic fact is it doesn't matter who did what, especially to the left, they point, scream, and cry every chance they get and they surely will this time.

If this is is indeed a legally binding contract which the Corps says it isn't they better sue the hell out of them and I hope they win. If it is decided that it isn't a legally binding contract they very well could sue the state for pushing through a permit that must not have been legit or else there wouldn't and couldn't be a problem with it being binding. Heads need to roll somewhere on this one and it's either going to be with ETP or someone working on the taxpayer dime.

What would state permits have to do with anything because they have no impact on the Corp permit. That would be like having your house remodeled and suing the electrician because the plumber didn't fulfill his contract.

 

[Brian Renville]

They won't be rerouting it since if 72 miles is too close to a water intake then there is nowhere else to put one. Plus at this point disturbing of sacred sites can't be used now that all the pipe and dirt work that might have caused problem is already in and complete. What I'm wondering is is there a reason it has to be put in from west to east? You would think it wouldn't matter and they would be smart to but the drill pad on the east side.

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What would state permits have to do with anything because they have no impact on the Corp permit. That would be like having your house remodeled and suing the electrician because the plumber didn't fulfill his contract.

Not necessarily, if the Corps used studies done using go aheads and recommendations from state sources that are supposed to know better like the PSC and SHSND when deciding approval on a project then they could claim state agencies suck enough at their job that they approved studies or gave wrong or misleading recommendations.
Like I said if the Corps is able to prove in court they aren't responsible for ETP thinking they had the go ahead someone is going to be responsible for giving them and pretty much everyone on here that impression. Somebody has got to take the fall, I just wonder how long down the line it will go.

 

[Colt45]

Not really surprised by corps decision, might just be political move to get the lunatics off Corp land, let the tension ease for a bit. I am disappointed for sure, the corp is just another dis functional govt agency that can't see a 10000 year flood coming until it is spilling over the damn, now they grant a pipe crossing and move the goal posts at last second and magically deny it ..... Typical govt, time to drain the corp swamp
what to do now? I heard there was someone starting to organize a ballot measure to legalize casinos state wide? Now that would be an interesting discussion and vote!

 

[Obi-Wan]

Chase lyingeyes said they are not leaving the camp and are now going after treaty land since they are occupying it already this is their best chance

 

[NDwalleyes]

This is where I am at on this also. It is likely the solution has been worked out already. Get these idiots out of our backyard and lets move forward with the project, legalize a casino in Bismarck and get back to normal life. The tribe has bitten the hand that feeds them and it's time to pay the price.

The Govt will get sued for moving the goal post on a completed project to cover DAPL loses on this. Find a new route and move on.

Not really surprised by corps decision, might just be political move to get the lunatics off Corp land, let the tension ease for a bit. I am disappointed for sure, the corp is just another dis functional govt agency that can't see a 10000 year flood coming until it is spilling over the damn, now they grant a pipe crossing and move the goal posts at last second and magically deny it ..... Typical govt, time to drain the corp swamp
what to do now? I heard there was someone starting to organize a ballot measure to legalize casinos state wide? Now that would be an interesting discussion and vote!

 

[Sum1]

Chase lyingeyes said they are not leaving the camp and are now going after treaty land since they are occupying it already this is their best chance

This is what happens when you do not enforce laws and and encourage unlawful behavior. After the treaty lands they'll move on to the next farce. Thanks Obama. Good thing this loser will be history in a month. Can't come soon enough.

 

[BrokenBackJack]

I would really be surprised if they move out of the camp. I don't think they will do that as Trump takes off in 6-7 weeks so they will wait it out. Hope they enjoy the cold weather in the following weeks!

 

[shorthairsrus]

This treaty land is what bugs me the worst. What heart river and south and west? Or just the Corp land. I could see trump give that away the Corp land