Florida School Shooting



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A friend of mine sent me this in a text message this morning. I just thought it would be appropriate for this discussion and that it is an interesting read and mind-set.

“How many kids have been killed by school fire in all of North America in the past 50 years? Kids killed... school fire... North America... 50 years... How many? Zero. That’s right. Not one single kid has been killed by school fire anywhere in North America in the past half a century.

Now, how many kids have been killed by school violence?”

Standing on the stage of a highschool auditorium, Grossman walked to the side nearest a wall as he addressed the crowd.

"Look up at the ceiling! See all those sprinklers up there? They’re hard to spot — they’re painted black — but they’re there. While you’re looking, look at the material the ceiling is made of. You know that that stuff was selected because it’s fire-retardant. Hooah? Now look over there above the door — you see that fire exit sign? That’s not just any fire exit sign — that’s a ‘battery-backup-when-the-world-ends-it-will-still-be-lit’ fire exit sign. Hooah?”

He walked to the other side, nearby a fire exit and exterior wall, Grossman slammed the palm of his hand against the wall and exclaimed, “Look at these wall boards! They were chosen because they’re what?! Fireproof or fire retardant, hooah? There is not one stinking thing in this room that will burn!”

Pointing around the room as he spoke, Grossman continued, “But you’ve still got those fire sprinklers, those fire exit signs, fire hydrants outside, and fire trucks nearby! Are these fire guys crazy? Are these fire guys paranoid? No! This fire guy is our A+ student! Because this fire guy has redundant, overlapping layers of protection, not a single kid has been killed by school fire in the last 50 years!"

“But you try to prepare for violence — the thing much more likely to kill our kids in schools, the thing hundreds of times more likely to kill our kids in schools, and people think you’re paranoid. They think you’re crazy. They’re in denial.”

I want you to stop for a moment and think about how much fucking money is spent on ways to put fires out and stop them from spreading. How much time is spent on training what to do if a fire burns and spreads? Now how much money and time is spent on stopping violence?

Very little because it makes YOU UNCOMFORTABLE.

The idea of trained staff and security with firearms in your children's schools shocks you. Well... reality check. The image of your child in a casket due to a murderer in school with a gun will be infinitely more shocking I guarantee you.

Passing laws restricting firearms would have the same effect as passing laws against fire. If changes in firearm laws are your answer as to how we can save children's lives, you are naive, uninformed about human conflict, and frankly have nothing better to fucking offer. You are grasping at straws in the darkness of ignorance. I do not hold it against you. Anyone asked to solve a problem they are not equipped to solve will make an effort to do so if they believe it to be necessary.

ACCEPT that evil walks the earth and you or your children may one day see it.

LEARN about how the human reacts in moments of danger and peril.

DEVELOP SKILLS to stay alive whatever they may be.

SHARE the mindset, knowledge and skills with you children and loved ones.

WATER puts out FIRE.
GUNS stop GUNS.

You all keep pissing in the wind and wringing your hands.

- Lt Col David Grossman"
 

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you can preach your vocal cords and finger tips off --- what is going to happen with any of these --- local laws will pop up and over time your going to be restricted. A few take away from the the rest --- until one day when everybody sacrifices and that may never happen until god sends another relative.
 

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With PG I understand the separation of church and state.
So I would also post God's ten laws in the school. Just because they are God's rules does not mean they should not or do not fit in.

As stated on here if you want to fix the problem then do not ask or wait for the government to fix. It will never get done. They are to busy fighting amount themselves over if the Russians pull the lever for me or if I pull it myself.
Together we in our community can do a lot to help solve while our government and media continue to debate on how or who to fix besides ourselves. A lot of common sense on this topic on here.
Paying for it. I think most can afford to put a few more dollars into the school budget for it and most would want to. db-2
 

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If we demand others accept the language and intent in our Constitution regarding the 2nd amendment then we also must accept the language and intent of the 1st.

As a Christian I embrace the ideals of the Bible and such, but if I claim the constitution gives us a right to post them in a govt funded public school as a Constitutionalist I have to accept a Muslim or Buddist or other religion has that right as well.

Just as I argue the personal views of a gay couple can not sway the intent and language of our Constitution, neither can the personal views of a particular religion and those that follow it.

One can not pick and choose when we embrace our Constitution. As such I believe our schools should embrace the teaching of the 3 rs (figuratively speaking) and leave families and the church teach religious ideologies.

I do NOT think a student should be punished for expressing their religious beiefs, but where do you start and where do you stop when a PUBLIC school funded by govt monies begins sanctioning religious ideologies under our Constitution?

there is no such language in our Constitution of "separation of church and state", that language came from a letter Jefferson wrote on the govt establishing a national religion. The language regarding religion in our Constitution lies in the 1st amendment.

If you are a true supporter of our Constitution like it or not you have to acknowledge that it allows for a passage from the Koran to be posted alongside the 10 commandments as well.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[SUP][1]


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You don't "allow" things by law as a general rule, laws tend to be more restrictive in nature than guidance on what a person should do in normal course of their daily affairs.

In that sense, the 1st amendment suggests to me that it is in no way illegal, or unconstitutional for a school to have religion incorporated into its fiber. Rather, the 1st amendment says that that Congress can't pass a law requiring public schools to adhere to a specific religion and not another.

We have to remember that the majority of people who came to this continent were coming here because there was a sanctioned Christian denomination back in their homelands. They didn't originally come here to practice atheism, Buddhism, Hinduism, or Muslim beliefs. Heck, the first Mosque in the U.S. wasn't established until settlers arrived in ND. Yep, the first in the country was built in Ross, ND around 1929.

It is too much credit for forethought to be given to our founding fathers to think they envisioned either the level of atheism or muslim beliefs currently in this country. Rather, they sought to protect protestants from the catholics, and vice versa with the not allowing a sanctioned denomination like the Church of England, or the Roman Catholic Church from getting too much power (little bit of a broad brush there, but you get my point).
 

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[h=1]Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists
The Final Letter, as Sent
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To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.
Gentlemen
The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.
Th Jefferson
Jan. 1. 1802.


 

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In that sense, the 1st amendment suggests to me that it is in no way illegal, or unconstitutional for a school to have religion incorporated into its fiber. Rather, the 1st amendment says that that Congress can't pass a law requiring public schools to adhere to a specific religion and not another.
I wish I had thought to post that. The (at the time liberal) supreme court thinks they found separation of church and state in what was it the 14th amendment? It takes a huge imagination to think there is separation of church and state in any part of the constitution, even the first where it mentions religion. Like you said it only states congress can not pass a law requiring any type of religion. Our forefathers just escaped Europe where the state or the king declared you were X, Y, or Z. The ten commandments should have stayed up wherever they were found. Try to put them up and everything you can think of and some we can't will want their commandments or something up beside the ten commandments. The ELCA will want an phallic asherah pole. Some church in California has already done that.
 

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I wish I had thought to post that. The (at the time liberal) supreme court thinks they found separation of church and state in what was it the 14th amendment? It takes a huge imagination to think there is separation of church and state in any part of the constitution, even the first where it mentions religion. Like you said it only states congress can not pass a law requiring any type of religion. Our forefathers just escaped Europe where the state or the king declared you were X, Y, or Z. The ten commandments should have stayed up wherever they were found. Try to put them up and everything you can think of and some we can't will want their commandments or something up beside the ten commandments. The ELCA will want an phallic asherah pole. Some church in California has already done that.

Again, interpretation to fit your narrative.
 

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They should make a law to prevent the FBI from ignoring tips.


Florida Gov. Rick Scott called for FBI Director Christopher Wray to resign Friday in the wake of revelations the bureau ignored a Jan. 5 tip about Parkland school shooter Nikolas Cruz, who killed 17 when he opened fire on Valentine's Day.

The agency said earlier Thursday in a statement that it received a call in January from a person close to Cruz through its Public Access Line tipline to express concerns about Cruz's erratic behavior and disturbing social media posts.
That tip said that Cruz had a gun, wanted to “kill people” and there was the “potential of him conducting a school shooting.”

It said that while that information should have been forwarded to the Miami FBI field office, it was not, and no further investigation was conducted.
 


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^^^^ This... As long as we are talking about the FBI botching things....wonder if the left will now actually believe that perhaps there were some bad apples that are/were biased during this Trump collusion stuff???? Getting a FISA warrant based on a dossier funded by the Hillary campaign.
 

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^^^^ This... As long as we are talking about the FBI botching things....wonder if the left will now actually believe that perhaps there were some bad apples that are/were biased during this Trump collusion stuff???? Getting a FISA warrant based on a dossier funded by the Hillary campaign.

Maybe if the Left would stop consuming the FBI resources on a witch hunt against trump, they would have had the resources to stop a school shooting. Not saying that happened here, but it's possible.
 

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The scab just got torn off. Since Gov. Scott is a R, it will be interesting whose side the lame stream media will be on concerning this terribly mistake by the FBI.
 

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I still have no problem putting the rules like one should not kill, steal and the like up on the wall of the school.
It makes no different to me if God said them first or George Bush said them first. Good rules to follow no matter where they come from. I do not think only Christian have sole ownership of these rules. db
 


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Interesting though ---- FBI --- last 4 years --- personnel cut including intel --- -but big increase in building portion of budget. Buildings dont do shit other than make a govt contractor rich.
 

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I wish I had thought to post that. The (at the time liberal) supreme court thinks they found separation of church and state in what was it the 14th amendment? It takes a huge imagination to think there is separation of church and state in any part of the constitution, even the first where it mentions religion. Like you said it only states congress can not pass a law requiring any type of religion. Our forefathers just escaped Europe where the state or the king declared you were X, Y, or Z. The ten commandments should have stayed up wherever they were found. Try to put them up and everything you can think of and some we can't will want their commandments or something up beside the ten commandments. The ELCA will want an phallic asherah pole. Some church in California has already done that.


The simple Constitutional fact is if the ten commandments can be placed in a public school so can the tenants of the Koran.
 

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How does someone walk into a school with a rifle?? We need to build walls surrounding our schools, so someone armed with an AR=15 can't walk on in.
 

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Aren't school doors locked during school hours
 


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