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Originally Posted by
gst
i have no issue with mj being legalized for medical use and would support that measure.
It will likely be abused much like other prescription drugs.
nothing more than opinion.
those claiming recreational use of mj is just smoking a plant and does no harm need to talk with those that deal with the impacts to society and addicts themselves before making that claim.
ok, but it's already been debunked as being addictive.
back when prohibition of alcohol and temperance movement failed this nation/govt realized people needed/demanded a vice. Alcohol was the vice chosen to legalize. It doesn;t make it any less damaging than any other drug. Just legal. And yet the impacts of alcohol use/abuse have not gone away. So why does anyone think the consequences of drug abuse will go away once legal?
what's the argument that they won't?
no matter what is legalized, there will always be another drug that is sought.
once again, just opinion. mj has been proven to be a gateway drug
false, that's been debunked. to those as people chase that high with more powerful drugs. Most addicts admit to trying other drugs while high on pot
(more assumptions). And there are those that will push to continue to legalize all drugs using the very same justifications being used to legalize mj.
opinion
we can look to what has happened in other countries that have gone this path over the last few decades to learn. Most all are back tracking in some manner because of consequences they have found.
can't predict the future from the past, could assume i spose, but that makes people look like....
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/...ths/myths4.htm
supporters point to portugal for data showing decreases in drug usage from 2001 but there is not economic data to correlate with it. At what cost does drug legalization "work"
portugal is not the united states
taxing the hell out of something only creates a black market. Prohibition proved that. So you trade one law enforcement nightmare for another.
Legalizing without taxes creates the responsibility to deal economically with the costs of usage and addiction.
debunked as addictive who pays for that? Drug users that are nonproductive or others?
nothing to pay for, it's not addictive.
indeed those same people now pay for the "war" on drugs as well, so it will take a shift of changing peoples ideals. Who on here is willing to pay higher taxes to cover the cost of legal drug usage?
hard to change people's minds, you can blow smoke at them though to sway them towards your own agenda.
we complain about paying for some gal with her professional hair braided and 3 inch nails done talking on a cell phone standing in line with steak and lobster in her cart with an ebt card in her hand. Now we are supposed to gladly pay for her 11 kids legalized drug usage costs to society as well?
you can't control where your tax dollars go in situations like that, so that's just a copout.
if you wish to argue for legalizing recreational pot at least don;t blow smoke up peoples ass about what the costs and incremental impacts are going to be. good solid advice
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http://dailysignal.com/2014/08/20/7-...used-colorado/
7 harmful side effects pot legalization has caused in colorado
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n @cullystimson
charles "cully" d. Stimson is a leading expert in criminal law, military law, military commissions and detention policy at the heritage foundation's center for legal and judicial studies.
read his research.
there is more bad news out of colorado regarding the negative impact of marijuana legalization.
As i
reported a few weeks ago, some professors published a peer-reviewed article on the negative social costs to outright legalization. I noted that although overall traffic fatalities in colorado have gone down since 2007, they went up by 100 percent for operators testing positive for marijuana—from 39 in 2007 to 78 in 2012. (colorado legalized marijuana for medical usage in 2009, before legalizing marijuana for other uses in 2012.) furthermore, in 2007, those pot-positive drivers represented only 7 percent of total fatalities in colorado, but in 2012 they represented 16 percent of total colorado fatalities.
means nothing. There's no proof they were smoking at the time of accidents. In most cases it stays in your system weeks after you have used. These numbers are garbage and hold no water.
now, there is even more proof from colorado that legalizing pot, as i have
argued before, is terrible public policy.
This new report paints an even bleaker picture of what is happening in colorado since it legalized the possession, sale, and consumption of marijuana.
According to the new
report by the rocky mountain high intensity drug trafficking area entitled “the legalization of marijuana in colorado: The impact,” the impact of legalized marijuana in colorado has resulted in:
1. The majority of dui drug arrests involve marijuana and 25 to 40 percent were marijuana alonne. i thought everybody did and were tempted to do other drugs while high on marijuana. Of course the dui numbers are going to go up, the police know to target them. That's like saying the first bars opened in town and dui numbers from booze have skyrocketed.
2. In 2012, 10.47 percent of colorado youth ages 12 to 17 were considered current marijuana users compared to 7.55 percent nationally. Colorado ranked fourth in the nation, and was 39 percent higher than the national average. these surveys don't hold any water. Many youth/adolescents answer the surveys incorrectly in the first place (they lie to feel better about themselves and appear cool) again, numbers that mean nothing.
3. Drug-related student suspensions/expulsions increased 32 percent from school years 2008-09 through 2012-13, the vast majority were for marijuana violations. same thing as if booze duis increased after bars recently opening for the very first time ever.
4. In 2012, 26.81 percent of college age students were considered current marijuana users compared to 18.89 percent nationally, which ranks colorado third in the nation and 42 percent above the national average. so, there was an increase in legal users. What exactly is the problem?
5. In 2013, 48.4 percent of denver adult arrestees tested positive for marijuana, which is a 16 percent increase from 2008. sometimes people test positive from legal substances, it happens.
6. From 2011 through 2013 there was a 57 percent increase in marijuana-related emergency room visits. now that its legal, people dont have to lie any more at the hospital why they are there.
7. Hospitalizations related to marijuana has increased 82 percent since 2008. lol what
the
report ( biased garbage consisting of letters and puncuations.) includes other data about the negative effect of legalizing marijuana in colorado, including marijuana-related exposure to children, treatment, the flood of marijuana in and out of colorado, the dangers of pot extraction labs and other disturbing factual trends.
spewing more garbage, looks legit to the misinformed/uneducated though.
don’t expect this data to impact the push to legalize pot in colorado, or elsewhere for that matter. Big pot is big business, and the push to legalize is really all about profit, despite inconvenient facts.
Drug policy should be based on hard science and reliable data. And the data coming out of colorado points to one and only one conclusion: The legalization of marijuana in the state is terrible public policy.
fail
Nice lawyerly answer.
But I have to admit I am still wondering, if you think kids now showing up in ER's from the over consumption of edible weed infused candies after legalization is a "valid concern" when it comes to the legalization of pot for recreational use or not?
So you are saying these people will not continue to push for the legalization of the substances you listed?
Espringers, would your parents ever thought 25 years ago ND would try to legalize recreational pot ?
I know you do not believe in the "incrementalism" idea but you have yet to explain why we have "incrementally" allowed boys into girls bathrooms today when 10 years ago it would have been laughed at.
Perhaps that qualifies as an "apples to oranges" "logic" that "doesn't quite hold water "?
http://www.drugfree.org/join-together/marijuana-edibles-linked-to-two-deaths-increased-er-visits-in-colorado/
[h=2]Marijuana Edibles Linked to Two Deaths, Increased ER Visits in Colorado[/h]/By
Health officials report legal marijuana edible products have been linked to two recent deaths and an increase in emergency room visits in Colorado,
reports. Edibles include marijuana-laced baked goods, candies and beverages.
The effects of marijuana edibles begin more slowly than the smoked version of the drug, according to Dr. George Sam Wang of Children’s Hospital Colorado. Once the effects begin, they tend to last longer, he said. “One of the dangers that we’ve been seeing with adult recreational retail use is they’ll take the recommended dose, wait, feel no effects and then continue to stack doses. Then before they know it they have a pretty large amount in their system and then they get potentially pretty severe effects,” Dr. Wang noted.
A college student who had never tried marijuana before ate the recommended dose of one-sixth of a marijuana-laced cookie last month. He felt no effects, and then ate the whole cookie—six times the recommended dose. He later jumped off a hotel balcony and died, according to the article. The student’s autopsy report listed “marijuana intoxication” as a contributing factor in his death.
