Deer license poll

[Davy Crockett]

If we are still applying for the certain amount of tags per unit how is it any different than how it is now? Other than the fact that you will cut out the OTC bow tags and add a few more muzzleloader tags to the mix?

Are you looking at this from a "I only get a tag every couple years" or "This will help the NDGF manage the herds better" viewpoint?

Why the G&F does not do mandatory surveys like some other states is beyond my comprehension. You don't fill out your survey for them, you don't get to apply next year. Seems pretty simple to me.

I'm looking at this as a way for as many hunters and their family as possible to get out and enjoy a hunt. I see this current system as a bowl with 100 candy bars and more than 100 kids want one. only one candy bar per kid unless there are extra then some can have two.


When I run into old friends the common question is did you an your kids get your deer ? And I usually see long faces and get no license responses . As for me ,I don't have a dog in the fight , Yet. I get a gratis license and I read hunters response that NDGF should take away the gratis so they can get my license. That I would like to save for plan B or avoid if possible.

 

[Enslow]

People continually focus on the wrong things when it comes to deer numbers. The Does have to have fawns to make more deer. What can the hunters, landowners, and the NDGF do to increase doe and fawn numbers?

 

[Davy Crockett]

People continually focus on the wrong things when it comes to deer numbers. The Does have to have fawns to make more deer. What can the hunters, landowners, and the NDGF do to increase doe and fawn numbers?

Get rid of the coyotes NDGF could spend some moldy money and put a bounty on them or send state trappers out with some candy for them. Up here we see twins and trips in the early spring and by fall there are only singles at the does side.

 

[Nanky]

Doesn't South Dakota send an email survey that must be completed or you cannot apply the following year?

They send out random email surveys, but as far as I know they are not mandatory . . . at least for deer and antelope. I still fill them out, it literally takes 30 seconds and I figure they need data to accurately manage the deer herd. I think I got both a West River deer and antelope survey this year.

 

[deleted_account]

I am not knocking anyones style of hunting by any means. really. I dont care that much. I do find it interesting how a lot of folks complain about not gettings tags, yada, but when they do get a tag its like a race to see how fast they can fill it. Literally shoot the first buck that jumps out of the slough. Then brag at the bar how they tagged out at 12:15. ND rifle season is a strange thing to me.

 

[GSM]

People continually focus on the wrong things when it comes to deer numbers. The Does have to have fawns to make more deer. What can the hunters, landowners, and the NDGF do to increase doe and fawn numbers?

Agreed.

 

[Kurtr]

I am not knocking anyones style of hunting by any means. really. I dont care that much. I do find it interesting how a lot of folks complain about not gettings tags, yada, but when they do get a tag its like a race to see how fast they can fill it. Literally shoot the first buck that jumps out of the slough. Then brag at the bar how they tagged out at 12:15. ND rifle season is a strange thing to me.

I find that odd down here to. Go out shoot one in the morning and then complain they never get a big deer.

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also out surveys are not manditory

 

[Ericb]

This subject is dumb! Everybody has the same opertunity! Look how many people are 6 in 3 years. If you really want to shoot a deer branch out. Hell I can manage to get a buck tag and a prefrence point most years.

So lets fast forward this thread someones going to say they havnt had a deer tag in 12yrs.... surveys should be mandatory.... The game and fish should actually do deer counts... Its a goverment conspiracy and the g and f sucks.

Did I miss anything?

 

[Davy Crockett]

This subject is dumb! Everybody has the same opertunity! Look how many people are 6 in 3 years. If you really want to shoot a deer branch out. Hell I can manage to get a buck tag and a prefrence point most years.

So lets fast forward this thread someones going to say they havnt had a deer tag in 12yrs.... surveys should be mandatory.... The game and fish should actually do deer counts... Its a goverment conspiracy and the g and f sucks.

Did I miss anything?[/QUOTE]


You might have overlooked that close to 24.32 % have been turned down twice in the last two years If the poll is correct. Wish I would have put zero as an option.

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Update: 28.21% by the time I finished typing the response

 

[deleted_account]

This subject is dumb! Everybody has the same opertunity! Look how many people are 6 in 3 years. If you really want to shoot a deer branch out. Hell I can manage to get a buck tag and a prefrence point most years.

So lets fast forward this thread someones going to say they havnt had a deer tag in 12yrs.... surveys should be mandatory.... The game and fish should actually do deer counts... Its a goverment conspiracy and the g and f sucks.

Did I miss anything?

wait til eyexer chimes in lol. He hasnt had a tag in 12 years, and only has 6 points because the g&f has it out for him.

 

[Davy Crockett]

Update: 30% before I was able to finish the last update.

 

[Kurtr]

wait til eyexer chimes in lol. He hasnt had a tag in 12 years, and only has 6 points because the g&f has it out for him.

12 and 6 that is so 2012 he should have well over 20 points by this time and doug lier personally goes in and takes his name out of the drawing pool. Lets just stick to the facts here........... 3..2...1...

 

[KDM]

Until our illustrious GNF performs annual surveys for white tails in every unit in ND, all this arguing over tags is IGNORANT. Our GNF has NO IDEA how many white tail deer there are in any given unit and as a result, their tag allocations are voodoo magic and guesswork. Surveys filled out by individuals are NOT statistically valid as they are subjective information and not objective data as each individual has their own biases and agendas. I've said it at least a hundred times. So go ahead and argue and fight. Argue about bow hunting vs. gun hunting. Argue about Gratis Tags. Argue about landowners, habitat destruction, non residents, and any number of issues pertinent to the deer populations. It won't amount to a spit in the river and will in fact HELP the anti hunting community so have at it folks. The fact is that at this point, deer tag numbers are POLITICAL and totally controlled by the governors office and those who were APPOINTED by the governor. They are NOT based on any scientifically gathered survey information at all. So be my guest and argue over crap that won't increase tag numbers or hunter opportunities one bit. Enslow is correct. People continually focus on the wrong things when it comes to deer numbers. Carry On!!!!

 

[LBrandt]

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[Davy Crockett]

Until our illustrious GNF performs annual surveys for white tails in every unit in ND, all this arguing over tags is IGNORANT. Our GNF has NO IDEA how many white tail deer there are in any given unit and as a result, their tag allocations are voodoo magic and guesswork. Surveys filled out by individuals are NOT statistically valid as they are subjective information and not objective data as each individual has their own biases and agendas. I've said it at least a hundred times. So go ahead and argue and fight. Argue about bow hunting vs. gun hunting. Argue about Gratis Tags. Argue about landowners, habitat destruction, non residents, and any number of issues pertinent to the deer populations. It won't amount to a spit in the river and will in fact HELP the anti hunting community so have at it folks. The fact is that at this point, deer tag numbers are POLITICAL and totally controlled by the governors office and those who were APPOINTED by the governor. They are NOT based on any scientifically gathered survey information at all. So be my guest and argue over crap that won't increase tag numbers or hunter opportunities one bit. Enslow is correct. People continually focus on the wrong things when it comes to deer numbers. Carry On!!!!

Who's arguing and fighting ? Nothing wrong with talking about a subject and getting input from all directions in hope of improving something.

 

[dust in the wind]

The problem with going to a 1 tag per person and letting you fill it during the season/weapon of your choice - is the G&F will tell you that they won't be able to manage the rifle units any more unless the archery tag is a unit specific tag.

Muzzleloader cannot be lumped into that right now unless it goes through the legislature to change it.

That's basically how they explained it to me when this was being discussed previously.

 

[Ericb]

Update: 30% before I was able to finish the last update.

Point is those 30% could have applied in other units that would have given them the same odds as I drawing a tag every year. I would love to go hunting out west or where I have family that owns land, but I've CHOOSEN to hunt somewhere else more often.

 

[Davy Crockett]

Point is those 30% could have applied in other units that would have given them the same odds as I drawing a tag every year. I would love to go hunting out west or where I have family that owns land, but I've CHOOSEN to hunt somewhere else more often.

Sometimes I wonder if only 4 units would be a better option for ND than how many we have now. NW,SW,NE and SE The areas with low deer population simply wouldn't get hunted and if they did the success rate would be low. Maybe not ? I have no idea what hunting is like other than in my neck of the woods but I see what is out there for habitat. Seems like so many units is overkill that complicates things, Especially like KDM mentioned , They have no clue on numbers. I don't have answers but I have lots of questions.

 

[SDMF]

So I make at least 3 who've inadvertently provided false information on the poll which provides but and inkling as to why paper surveys are slightly less useful than TP because they're too hard, scratchy, and don't absorb well.

Given the amount of snow on the ground now, G&F airplanes oughta be in the air every day the wind is 10 or less getting an initial count as well as keeping an eye on herd/health survival with this much snow packed into thermal cover this early in the winter, given that we're still 2wks away from the official start of winter.

 

[Davy Crockett]

How far off are we from satellite imaging where college wildlife classes and clubs can monitor areas and do photo counts ?