M3, yea or nay?

[eyexer]

My only concern is work place drug testing and how will this affect the employer control over reasonable employment requirements for a safe workplace.....

the exact same way it's done with booze and other illegal drugs since they started doing drug testing or giving a shit at work. Not a thing will change

 

[Davey Crockett]

Here's my kicker, I have grandkids that come from great homes that are soon to be at a vulnerable age, Nothing I can say or do will guarantee that they will or won't someday decide to have a beer or a toke . If they do, I'd rather they use FAA/FDA/NDHD certified products and not moonshine and weed that some hillbilly is producing and selling along with those bath salts and synthetic stuff, I read where dealers will mix synthetic with poor quality weed.

I watched KSL News in Salt Lake city for a few years , The Mormons report news like it is. Kids would go to Pioneer park to buy weed from dealers and the dealers would give them a "bonus" a small balloon of heroin or a pill to experiment with. Is that what we want ? These tactics won't go anywhere unless we kick their ass down the road. This is the first article that came up on a google search about it.

https://www.wweek.com/cannabis/2016/02/09/is-it-better-to-buy-weed-on-the-street-or-at-a-dispensary/


Another one that is sad.


https://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/07/20/synthetic-drugs-like-one/

 

[Obi-Wan]

Some of the nays are voting no because there's no limit to the amount you can possess. What does it matter if my hay mall is stacked with 700 bales of it someday? What does it matter?

Do you guys understand what is going on out there on the streets here in our state? Motorcycles getting stolen left n right, cars, burglarys etc....This is all real crime, driven by hard drugs, not marijuana. The wasted time on petty marijuana charges need to be shifted to fighting the real crime.

Next......People say, if it goes legal it will be all over the place and in the hands of kids. Guess what, it already is, and has been forever. It's easier for a kid to get a bag of weed than a box of beer.

What about all the drug dogs that will be put out of work? Bullshit propaganda to spread fear. The dogs are still trained for other drugs, additionally they will still be needed for those situations where the individual is under the age 21.

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Good topic. I do think things will remain normal. If places of employment want to require drug testing, which most do today then so be it. Continue on as normal. No your workplace won't be overrun with stoners. Nothing should change. Good topic to discuss though.

How do you un-train a dog to not hit on marijuana? Leave a bag of weed on the dash and when the dog hits the cops will have no probable cause for search for other drugs

 

[Wild and Free]

 

[CatDaddy]

So much misinformation out there on pot....go ahead and believe lies if you're too lazy or ignorant to go get the truth. The fact of the matter is it's up to the individual to use responsibly. News flash - it's already here and not going away. The difference is the cartels and douche bags are currently in control of it and reap the financial benefits.

Have you forgotten how our legislature decided it's "not really up to us" on how bills are brought to law? Medical marijuana? Regardless of whether you smoke or not, it's extremely sad to see that our vote means nothing.....speak up!!!!

Kind of funny how the poll results went from 84%-16% in favor of legalizing (legalize thread) to 55%-44% in favor (this thread) as we get closer to the vote.

 

[Green19]

I guess I don't have or understand the need to do drugs, alcohol, or any other illegal drugs. I'll take a sunrise or sunset any day for my fix. I'll take a day on the water or in the field any day for my fix. Or how about spending time with your spouse and kids without being under some form of "psycho-active" substance. As people today look to cover up and mask internal struggles rather than deal with them head on and do something about it, people across the planet choose to tear their families and themselves apart by using brain altering substances.

 

[Enslow]

I guess I don't have or understand the need to do drugs, alcohol, or any other illegal drugs. I'll take a sunrise or sunset any day for my fix. I'll take a day on the water or in the field any day for my fix. Or how about spending time with your spouse and kids without being under some form of "psycho-active" substance. As people today look to cover up and mask internal struggles rather than deal with them head on and do something about it, people across the planet choose to tear their families and themselves apart by using brain altering substances.

Do you work at the cancer center at sanford?

 

[Twitch]

So much misinformation out there on pot....go ahead and believe lies if you're too lazy or ignorant to go get the truth. The fact of the matter is it's up to the individual to use responsibly. News flash - it's already here and not going away. The difference is the cartels and douche bags are currently in control of it and reap the financial benefits.

Have you forgotten how our legislature decided it's "not really up to us" on how bills are brought to law? Medical marijuana? Regardless of whether you smoke or not, it's extremely sad to see that our vote means nothing.....speak up!!!!

Kind of funny how the poll results went from 84%-16% in favor of legalizing (legalize thread) to 55%-44% in favor (this thread) as we get closer to the vote.

People have very short memories. When the legislators told the people their vote doesn’t count and that they know better people were mad and ready to hold them accountable, now the anti 3 crowd is telling them that drug dogs are going to be out of jobs and entire schools of kids are going to be starting marijuana use for the first time if we legalize and people are backing off. Kind of like the nfl deal, right away a huge number of viewers were never going to watch again. That didn’t last, I’m about the only one of my friends I know that gave the nfl the finger and stuck with it

 

[Lycanthrope]

I guess I don't have or understand the need to do drugs, alcohol, or any other illegal drugs. I'll take a sunrise or sunset any day for my fix. I'll take a day on the water or in the field any day for my fix. Or how about spending time with your spouse and kids without being under some form of "psycho-active" substance. As people today look to cover up and mask internal struggles rather than deal with them head on and do something about it, people across the planet choose to tear their families and themselves apart by using brain altering substances.

You dont need to use or want to use drugs to see the benefits of legalizing. Look at it from a personal freedom/liberty perspective, or from a criminal justice reform perspective, consider the financial benefits of not having to waste police and court and jail resources on weed offenses. Do you support a smaller and less controlling government, or are you a democrat?

 

[Obi-Wan]

You dont need to use or want to use drugs to see the benefits of legalizing. Look at it from a personal freedom/liberty perspective, or from a criminal justice reform perspective, consider the financial benefits of not having to waste police and court and jail resources on weed offenses. Do you support a smaller and less controlling government, or are you a democrat?

I don't have anything thing to back this up but I would be willing to bet that more democrats and especially the liberal democrats are for legalizing marijuana than republicans

 

[DirtyMike]

I don't have anything thing to back this up but I would be willing to bet that more democrats and especially the liberal democrats are for legalizing marijuana than republicans

The ones that use it already, I’m sure they do support legalization. You know who else I can bet wants to legalize it? Capitalistic Republicans. This isn’t a political “pick your team” argument.

 

[Ericb]

I personally could care less if it passes or not. I've tried it many times and I never liked it. I think the first time was probably in 6th or 7th grade. I do buy in to the you aspect. Even though many already have tried it legalizing will take away some of the fear of the trying it. Look at cigerates.

But if it does pass can I set up a stand to sell funonions and gagettos at your guys buisnesses?

 

[KDM]

My mind hasn't changed one bit. NO. Medical is suspect, but if done under medical supervision, OK. I look at it this way. Do I want my doctor, nurse, pharmacist, lawyer, child's bus driver, school teachers, tax man, banker, mechanic, etc., all the way to the guy cooking my burger being high on hooch or sober to do the tasks I need them to do?? I want them sober. Now you that are for it can say, "Just make workplace highs illegal" and it will all be rainbows and unicorns. No it won't. Making every business run tests for sobriety will not only drive up the costs for everything I want/need, but the rules will also not be followed anyway. I don't want anybody going to lunch and taking a few hits because they know the boss won't be doing a check anyway and then doing a task or service for me. We all know and see the lunch time "Beers" by folks of all positions and then they return to work. Which would you want?? Just like alcohol keeps people from doing what they should be doing, MJ will do the same thing. To me the potential down side doesn't outweigh the potential up side.

 

[Ericb]

My mind hasn't changed one bit. NO. Medical is suspect, but if done under medical supervision, OK. I look at it this way. Do I want my doctor, nurse, pharmacist, lawyer, child's bus driver, school teachers, tax man, banker, mechanic, etc., all the way to the guy cooking my burger being high on hooch or sober to do the tasks I need them to do?? I want them sober. Now you that are for it can say, "Just make workplace highs illegal" and it will all be rainbows and unicorns. No it won't. Making every business run tests for sobriety will not only drive up the costs for everything I want/need, but the rules will also not be followed anyway. I don't want anybody going to lunch and taking a few hits because they know the boss won't be doing a check anyway and then doing a task or service for me. We all know and see the lunch time "Beers" by folks of all positions and then they return to work. Which would you want?? Just like alcohol keeps people from doing what they should be doing, MJ will do the same thing. To me the potential down side doesn't outweigh the potential up side.

How would legalizing it change those people for you vs now? Those who will smoke weed at work probably do now. Those that drink at work may choose to smoke instead of drink. Why is MJ so much worse than booze? Besides the government saying so. I know have drank at times I shouldn't or more than I should have. Why is one voice ok but the other is illegal?

 

[Achucker]

Why is there always an assumption that the only people that will do it are already doing it. By leagalizing it it will allow people to do things they might not normally do. And all vices illeagal or not are a tool in addictive behavior. I think you will see addictions to pot rise. And therefore causing destructive behavior that will affect my safety as well as my finances. If you need to look for a fix because of whatever in your life take fred bears advice...

"If some of our teenage thrill seekers really want to go out and get a thrill, let them go up into the Northwest and tangle with the Grizzly Bear, the Polar Bear, and the Brown Bear. They will get their kicks, and it will cleanse their souls." -Fred Bear

 

[Bed Wetter]

oh my!

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politic...l-cannabis-reform-very-soon-says-gop-lawmaker

White House to unveil federal cannabis reform 'very soon,' says GOP lawmaker

Hillary VaughnPublished October 11, 2018
The White House is planning on tackling cannabis reform after the midterm elections, according to Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif.

Rohrabacher tells FOX Business that the Trump administration has made a “solid commitment” to fix marijuana regulation.

“I have been talking to people inside the White House who know and inside the president’s entourage... I have talked to them at length. I have been reassured that the president intends on keeping his campaign promise.”

Rohrabacher says the president has spoken in support of legalizing medical marijuana on the federal level – and leaving the question of recreational marijuana use up to the states.

“I would expect after the election we will sit down and we’ll start hammering out something that is specific and real,” he said.

The California congressman, who is up for re-election this November, is battling to hold onto a seat that national Democrats have identified as part of their strategy to win the House majority this midterm election.

Rohrabacher faces Democrat Harley Rouda. RealClearPolitics has listed the seat that Rohrabacher has held for five years as a toss-up – and the polling average has both candidates in a dead heat – with both at 48 percent of voter support.

Recreational marijuana was just recently legalized in California this year – but reforms on the federal level have been stalled for decades. Yet, according to Rohrabacher, that will soon change: “It could be as early as spring of 2019, but definitely in the next legislative session.”

 

[eyexer]

How do you un-train a dog to not hit on marijuana? Leave a bag of weed on the dash and when the dog hits the cops will have no probable cause for search for other drugs

you just don’t train the dogs to hit on mj from the get go

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I guess I don't have or understand the need to do drugs, alcohol, or any other illegal drugs. I'll take a sunrise or sunset any day for my fix. I'll take a day on the water or in the field any day for my fix. Or how about spending time with your spouse and kids without being under some form of "psycho-active" substance. As people today look to cover up and mask internal struggles rather than deal with them head on and do something about it, people across the planet choose to tear their families and themselves apart by using brain altering substances.

I don’t drink nor ever tried mj. But it’s not my duty to police other people or tell them what they can and can’t do to their minds or bodies

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oh my!

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politic...l-cannabis-reform-very-soon-says-gop-lawmaker

White House to unveil federal cannabis reform 'very soon,' says GOP lawmaker

Hillary VaughnPublished October 11, 2018
The White House is planning on tackling cannabis reform after the midterm elections, according to Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif.

Rohrabacher tells FOX Business that the Trump administration has made a “solid commitment” to fix marijuana regulation.

“I have been talking to people inside the White House who know and inside the president’s entourage... I have talked to them at length. I have been reassured that the president intends on keeping his campaign promise.”

Rohrabacher says the president has spoken in support of legalizing medical marijuana on the federal level – and leaving the question of recreational marijuana use up to the states.

“I would expect after the election we will sit down and we’ll start hammering out something that is specific and real,” he said.

The California congressman, who is up for re-election this November, is battling to hold onto a seat that national Democrats have identified as part of their strategy to win the House majority this midterm election.

Rohrabacher faces Democrat Harley Rouda. RealClearPolitics has listed the seat that Rohrabacher has held for five years as a toss-up – and the polling average has both candidates in a dead heat – with both at 48 percent of voter support.

Recreational marijuana was just recently legalized in California this year – but reforms on the federal level have been stalled for decades. Yet, according to Rohrabacher, that will soon change: “It could be as early as spring of 2019, but definitely in the next legislative session.”

yea I read that last week. I think it will be legalized medically nationwide by late next year. Then it’ll be recreational in most states within ten years

 

[Obi-Wan]

The ones that use it already, I’m sure they do support legalization. You know who else I can bet wants to legalize it? Capitalistic Republicans. This isn’t a political “pick your team” argument.

Talking with a banker and it his understanding everything will have to be cash deal because it is still illegal on the federal level and they have federal regulations that they will have to follow. It not likely you can get a loan to start your federally illegal business or even have a bank account associated with it.

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you just don’t train the dogs to hit on mj from the get go

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The dogs they have now are trained in mj along with other drugs so these present dogs will be useless for drug enforcement and the Bismarck police said it costs around $ 20,000.00 for a new dog.

 

[701FishSlayer]

Why would the drug dogs be useless? They would be needed for the crowd under 21 as well as other drugs. It's all bs.

 

[KDM]

How would legalizing it change those people for you vs now? Those who will smoke weed at work probably do now. Those that drink at work may choose to smoke instead of drink. Why is MJ so much worse than booze? Besides the government saying so. I know have drank at times I shouldn't or more than I should have. Why is one voice ok but the other is illegal?

Booze is a drug, so the differences between them are irrelevant to my argument. Anything that adversely affects performance or decision making, be it MJ, booze, coke, heroin, meth, or whatever, is NOT something I want people providing goods and services to me and my family having access to or using. Making access to an additional substance that affects the aforementioned easier, is not a good thing in my opinion. I don't want the electrician wiring my house to be taking hits before or after working in my house. Nor do I want the carpenter to be sipping on a flask. All of these substances adversely affect motor skills, reflexes, brain functions, and many other functions of the human body. To argue that drug use, booze or otherwise, has had a positive impact on society is ludicrous.