SB 2309 Youth Muley Doe

[riverview]

not going to do any good to get the youth involved when they aren't going to have any habitat to hunt in nd.

 

[1lessdog]

I'm all about youth hunting/retention, but youth tags should be limited whitetail doe tags only, and only if the herd can handle it:
no mule deer tags for youth--population can't handle it.
whitetail doe tags only--if the population can handle it.
Buck tags only for the regular draw:
1st any-deer is excitement enough, be it a nice doe.
Buck harvest is a new acheivement for later hunter experience.
All gratis tags should be limited to 10% of that unit's allocation (ALL big game animals.)
Moose & elk gratis tags should be once-in-a-lifetime for landowners also.
Gratis tags are valid on their land only for the season's first 4 1/2 days...then anywhere in their unit(s) only as listed on their gratis application.

Spoken like a true, I'm not going to let some kid shoot my buck. They can shoot Whitetail does only. And leave the buck tags for the regular season or draw.

I'm sure the state of N.D. know roughly how many youth tags are distributed every year. And my guess is a harvest of roughly 50%. With deer numbers down why not close season for 2 yrs and only allow youth season to continue.

 

[duckman1302]

Gratis laws should change as well. As a landowner with the required 150 acres, you need to have suitable habitat to hold big game...not 150 acres of a black desert.

I kind of agree with this, but on the other hand, give him the tag and do a better job a making sure that person is only hunting his own land. They would never harvest if that were the case.

 

[Jiffy]

I kind of agree with this, but on the other hand, give him the tag and do a better job a making sure that person is only hunting his own land. They would never harvest if that were the case.

Whaaaaaat? Well they'd never do anything like that........well ok, maybe they do. Actually, my somewhat "guess" is MOST do that.

Also, make sure Grampa isn't making his miraculous kill shots from the comfort of his couch.

That shit happens a lot too! Don't say it doesn't either.

 

[Trip McNeely]

In my little corner of the world, I seen 10-1 Muley doe vs any other type of deer...just saying.

You’re not looking in the right places

 

[Tymurrey]

I have a hard time with this bill. I think there is a possibility that it could be good with some stipulations. Maybe allow mule deer does on private land only. Let the landowners decide how many deer they want on the land. Exclude the western portion of the state for mule deer does. I don't think it's all bad but to let kids hammer away on mule deer wherever they please could definitely be a detriment to the population.

 

[Jiffy]

IF WE HAD THE POPULATION!! How long does it normally take to draw a damned antlered mule deer tag out west for Christ sake!!?? Now they want to kill more does? That makes a shitload of sense boys.

 

[bravo]

I have a hard time with this bill. I think there is a possibility that it could be good with some stipulations. Maybe allow mule deer does on private land only. Let the landowners decide how many deer they want on the land. Exclude the western portion of the state for mule deer does. I don't think it's all bad but to let kids hammer away on mule deer wherever they please could definitely be a detriment to the population.

??? So private land animals don’t count towards the population? If management becomes landowner discretion then hell, I decided that there’s always 5 too many bucks on my land. Pretty convenient for my bother and 3 buddies that we will all get to hunt together again.

 

[Trip McNeely]

IF WE HAD THE POPULATION!! How long does it normally take to draw a damned antlered mule deer tag out west for Christ sake!!?? Now they want to kill more does? That makes a shitload of sense boys.

That’s kind of how I see it as well. I would think trying to pump up the population by not allowing doe harvest for 3-5 years first and then taking a look at a youth situation would sound a lot better I completely understand the idea and agree with the youth aspect of things but it’s a tricky situation with the status of the mule deer populations. Ive had one tag in 14 years of putting in for our west. My brother and I had a conversation the other day that at the rate you get a tag we may only get 2-3 more tags in our lifetime in ND. At least when we are able bodied. Just let the kids shoot ma or pa’s deer like the good ol days

 

[Rowdie]

You’re not looking in the right places

Ya I didn't go very far from home which is mainly muley country. It wouldn't hurt to thin out a few where I was hunting.

 

[Tymurrey]

??? So private land animals don’t count towards the population? If management becomes landowner discretion then hell, I decided that there’s always 5 too many bucks on my land. Pretty convenient for my bother and 3 buddies that we will all get to hunt together again.

So let me get this straight. You think because i said to let kids hunt private land for mule deer does only equates to you and 3 buddies automatically getting buck tags. I never once mentioned that it didn't effect the population. Never once did i say landowners should have the only say in population management. Is making the tags private land only not letting the landowners decide though how many deer they want on their land. Yes this would impact the population but this would also aid in pushing deer off private land into public areas if the landowners would allow kids to hunt that they normally wouldn't allow other hunters and would also have a drastically less impact than allowing youth hunters to harvest does in the majority of the badlands and would also stop from putting more pressure on deer in public areas pushing them to private land. Maybe pull your head out of your ass approach something with an open mind, learn reading comprehension and quit having bias towards your own feelings when reading something.

 

[bravo]

So let me get this straight. You think because i said to let kids hunt private land for mule deer does only equates to you and 3 buddies automatically getting buck tags. I never once mentioned that it didn't effect the population. Never once did i say landowners should have the only say in population management. Is making the tags private land only not letting the landowners decide though how many deer they want on their land. Yes this would impact the population but this would also aid in pushing deer off private land into public areas if the landowners would allow kids to hunt that they normally wouldn't allow other hunters and would also have a drastically less impact than allowing youth hunters to harvest does in the majority of the badlands and would also stop from putting more pressure on deer in public areas pushing them to private land. Maybe pull your head out of your ass approach something with an open mind, learn reading comprehension and quit having bias towards your own feelings when reading something.

Jesus dude. Im pretty open minded. I get what your saying that there may be pockets of muleys on private land that provide opportunity. But you can’t manage a deer herd down to the square mile. If there’s too many, they’ll move off. We all agree that mule deer pops are in the shitter.

You said to let landowners decide how many deer are taken. You said exclusively to private land. I guess your wound a little too tight to take a cynical jab.

 

[Tymurrey]

Jesus dude. Im pretty open minded. I get what your saying that there may be pockets of muleys on private land that provide opportunity. But you can’t manage a deer herd down to the square mile. If there’s too many, they’ll move off. We all agree that mule deer pops are in the shitter.

You said to let landowners decide how many deer are taken. You said exclusively to private land. I guess your wound a little too tight to take a cynical jab.

I do get wound tight about a dumb comment about you and 3 buddies getting to shoot bucks because I said let landowners choose whether a kid shoots a doe on theirs or not. Sorry for over reacting. From my area I hunt and talking to others the only place mule deer populations are in the crapper is western part of the state. After EHD hit around Bismarck the mule deer numbers seem to have increased. I haven’t let a kid or anyone shoot a doe on mine since ehd hit but would have no problem letting them shoot a mule deer. Their population is doing well in the area I hunt and if the population gets lower just because a kid has a tag doesn’t mean I would let them shoot one. I will say I wouldn’t have voted for the bill though, but sounds like we will be stuck with so hopefully they can make the best of it and have some stipulations.

 

[dblkluk]

Here's an idea for you guys who want less muley does killed. Apply for them as your 2nd choice and cut up the tag when it comes in the mail. I've done it numerous times.

 

[huntemup]

Everyone apply for a tag and the successful ones just cut the tag up. 2 years and you will have all the does you want barring a disease that takes them all.

 

[Jiffy]

I haven’t killed a deer in 5 years. I won’t kill one this year either. It’s not because I didn’t have a tag or an opportunity.

Good luck with that theory though. The majority will NOT do this.

Actually I take that back! 2 years ago I didn’t draw a tag. I put in for buck only every year now. My bad

 

[Trip McNeely]

Ya I didn't go very far from home which is mainly muley country. It wouldn't hurt to thin out a few where I was hunting.

High probability thats one of the areas i was referring to earlier where it isnt “state” managed and numbers are popping…..

 

[Kurtr]

High probability thats one of the areas i was referring to earlier where it isnt “state” managed and numbers are popping…..

I dont think that is a beacon of game management. I spend alot of time between here and ft yates and mule deer numbers are absolute shit. I have not even applied for a tag for the last 5 years