Trespass Bill Part 2

[db-2]

Thanks pg

 

[eyexer]

And this is as relevant in a trespass bill thread as property tax how??

Even up swap property tax liabilities or quit your whining eye.

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Ellingson Angus, I bet eye has no idea the dollars that go into creating bulls that average 8 grand either.

you are the epitome of what you claim others do. You just can't man up and answer it lol. Your comical at best. I'll trade with you because I don't think you personally own ten quarters.

 

[gst]

you are the epitome of what you claim others do. You just can't man up and answer it lol. Your comical at best. I'll trade with you because I don't think you personally own ten quarters.

eye it was total property tax liabilities of our operation as a farm is what we always were talking about fom waaaay back when you first made your whing claims.

eye now that you have committed I will provide you the property tax total that our operation under myself is responsible for paying on the 18 quarters we own and farm as an operation that does not include rented acres outside the ownership of our operation.

Send me your total property tax liability if you would please.

 

[eyexer]

eye it was total property tax liabilities of our operation as a farm is what we always were talking about fom waaaay back when you first made your whing claims.

eye now that you have committed I will provide you the property tax total that our operation under myself is responsible for paying on the 18 quarters we own and farm as an operation that does not include rented acres outside the ownership of our operation.

Send me your total property tax liability if you would please.

I've told you numerous times I paid about 4800. So you pay a whopping 2400 more than me on 2880 acres vs my 18. And you made how much money off of that 2880 acres vs my 18 lol. I didn't make a penny. So what's the return on your investment in property taxes vs mine? lol. See how stupid you look bragging about how much you pay in property taxes with property you make a living on vs my home that I will never own lol.

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And then add into it all the subsidies you've received on your land vs mine lol. pretty much offsets any property taxes you pay and then a pile more.

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And then add into it all the subsidies you've received on your land vs mine lol. pretty much offsets any property taxes you pay and then a pile more.

 

[db-2]

I think I will not trade with either of you. 4800 on a home is huge (and I thought I paid to much) but 400/quarter on land seems low or at least for this area.
I say we all just pay what they say is our fair share and we all come away a winner or loser depending on how you look at how the monies are spent by our elected people.

And I was happy with the Ladies performance and then MSNBC asked this morning if I had seen the hidden messages that she put out.
Darn it, how could I miss that.

So I looked again at the half time show and concluded that I did not see any hidden messages (but I understood very little of what she said) to myself and am now happy again with her performance with little doubt and am now drinking Pepsi after a year long protest of that product over last year's performance. And that's the way it is for me. At least old mill stays in my corner and I will tell Pepsi thanks and if I can I will tell the lady thanks but doubt if I will see her world tour. db

 

[gst]

I've told you numerous times I paid about 4800. So you pay a whopping 2400 more than me on 2880 acres vs my 18. And you made how much money off of that 2880 acres vs my 18 lol. I didn't make a penny. So what's the return on your investment in property taxes vs mine? lol. See how stupid you look bragging about how much you pay in property taxes with property you make a living on vs my home that I will never own lol.

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And then add into it all the subsidies you've received on your land vs mine lol. pretty much offsets any property taxes you pay and then a pile more.

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And then add into it all the subsidies you've received on your land vs mine lol. pretty much offsets any property taxes you pay and then a pile more.

And so begins the expected backpedaling and whinging. It is a bit more of a difference than you suggest eye, so now do you still wish to swap total property tax liability or not?

 

[Trip McNeely]

yes gst, myself and most on here would gladly trade you straight up for your tax liability as long as it includes the subsidies provided to you for said land. you guys really dont know how great u have it do u?

 

[eyexer]

And so begins the expected backpedaling and whinging. It is a bit more of a difference than you suggest eye, so now do you still wish to swap total property tax liability or not?

absolutely I'll trade you but the profits and subsidies go with it since you insist on using profit making property to compare with a residential property.

 

[FishSticks]

Sooooooo did the meeting happen for this bill? If so, what was the outcome? I am only seeing unrelated banter on this thread. Maybe we need to start 'Trespass Bill 3' to get back on topic

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LOL just saw that there was one...Carry on with the banter I guess

Sooooooo did the meeting happen for this bill? If so, what was the outcome? I am only seeing unrelated banter on this thread. Maybe we need to start 'Trespass Bill 3' to get back on topic

 

[Trip McNeely]

if this bill passes itll be a giant shit sandwich for everyone. the commercialization will expedite. i would expect to see 1. bills pertaining to hunting road right-of-ways, 2. bills aimed at doing away with gratis tags. and 3.bills that take a closer look at state and local taxes as pertaining to farming. its been a good(not perfect) system for years. why mess with it when the potential for unforseen ramifications for both sides down the road. the excuse of its aimed at the protesters is laughable. they say its for landowner rights. ok, what about the 80
year old widowers right to be left alone? the busy business man/farmer who doesnt have time to be bothered for some damn ducks? how many farmers live in towns or cities and commute? how many times do u want strangers pulling into your upkept but un-inhabited farmsteads?

 

[PrairieGhost]

Trip McNeely excellent, absolutely excellent. Sorry for some reason I could not add a comment to the reputation I just sent.

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absolutely I'll trade you but the profits and subsidies go with it since you insist on using profit making property to compare with a residential property.

Eyexer don't make the mistake of thinking your debating with a reasonable person. This guy follows me from site to site to see what I say. He's like hemorrhoids, not to bad when he comes and goes, but a real pain in the ass when he stays around.

 

[db-2]

thread has left what it was meant for but a lot has been stated between this one and the others on posting.
USDA Subsidies date base is on the internet.
16.9 billion to ND farmers and ranchers over the 10 years up to 2014. A guy in Walhalla got 5.28 million of that and your former governor farm is third at 4.357 million and the list will go on if one wants to read.
Subsidies are not a bad thing as dirt is the pillar of society. If I was a farm supplier I would be licking my chops as how to get a part of those funds. But for a lot of us we do not fully understand the whole picture and will form opinions. Sometimes farmers are there own worse enemy when it comes to public relation on this. There are just a lot of different subsidies to a lot of different groups. Somehow I just did not get in one of those groups but if the neighbor gets somehow I might get a piece of that. Maybe game and fish will help me out due to my age. db

 

[eyexer]

Trip McNeely excellent, absolutely excellent. Sorry for some reason I could not add a comment to the reputation I just sent.

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Eyexer don't make the mistake of thinking your debating with a reasonable person. This guy follows me from site to site to see what I say. He's like hemorrhoids, not to bad when he comes and goes, but a real pain in the ass when he stays around.

yea no worries there that'll never happen. he's a few cards short of a full deck for sure.

 

[db-2]

now I see it was recommend a do not pass 13-1 for those over 70 preference for deer tags. damn just my luck I may die before I get another mule deer(2) or for that matter a muzzle loader(8) or at least my ability to shoot a rifle, or see or ect. db

 

[eyexer]

if this bill passes itll be a giant shit sandwich for everyone. the commercialization will expedite. i would expect to see 1. bills pertaining to hunting road right-of-ways, 2. bills aimed at doing away with gratis tags. and 3.bills that take a closer look at state and local taxes as pertaining to farming. its been a good(not perfect) system for years. why mess with it when the potential for unforseen ramifications for both sides down the road. the excuse of its aimed at the protesters is laughable. they say its for landowner rights. ok, what about the 80
year old widowers right to be left alone? the busy business man/farmer who doesnt have time to be bothered for some damn ducks? how many farmers live in towns or cities and commute? how many times do u want strangers pulling into your upkept but un-inhabited farmsteads?

you'll also see bills or initiated measures to provide up to date maps of owners with current contact info including phone numbers. I think there will be a push to bypass the renter and force all contacts to go directly to the land owner. there will be a continuous effort to end the corporate farming law too if the court doesn't decide it first. Like I said numerous times there will be all kinds of unforeseen circumstances from all this.

 

[lunkerslayer]

The subsidies to me is farmers signing a contract with the devil, the farmer from Walhalla you speak about are on its last years of farming business,the potato crops estimate for 2016 was less than 50 percent taken out of the field, but also not only did they get a debt forgiven by the bank of north dakota in the amount of 3 million dollars as well as getting a very substantial amount of money for the land that the alerus center is built on in the last twenty years.

That family is huge among its members owning large stakes in the banking firms of a Choice Financial and Alerus Financial. If that isn't the worst part that family owns some of the best elk hunting land in the badlands. They own large stakes in sugar beets, real estate property throughout North Dakota, Arizona, Kansas, Canada, and California, They are huge to say the least.

Greed is the devils spawn those who sign that paper for insurance payoffs as well as government subsidies will eventually go bankrupt if one is knowingly being dishonest. There's actually 3 or 4 farmers in the walhalla area that is on that list for subsidies money which had to do with the ethanol plant and corn.

One of the farmers who did well off of President Bush's farm bill bought lake cabins in Devils Lake and in Metigoshe, as well as a winter home in Arizona. Instead of selling the property out right to pay for seed and insurance for the 2016 crop, they decide to bet against the farm. Walhalla had the worst hail storms in twenty years and the farmers who I am talking about didn't pay for crop insurance which they lost. The title of the auction was a retirement estate auction 5 generations of this family farmed this land. Now a new set of hands will get a chance to provide a income as well as a lifestyle at generation number 1.

I look at these farmers who still have the old farm trucks, 2 or 3 year old combines, and still putting in crops, just to keep the lights on knowing full well they will persevere through this cycle of bad prices on crops because they realized that only thing that is important to them is family, a farming legacy, and God.

 

[db-2]

Yes dirt.
I could not imagine losing five generations of dirt.
I know full well when federal land bank took land from my great uncle in the thirties and why my grandfather never lost is beyond my understanding. However my folks put all this back together in the forties. Yes my dad did not serve as this country needed food and farmers and the forties were good to them. But I know what my parents did to survive. What others did to survive including those not farming.
Now to lose this dirt due to mismanagement (and if not that why do many survive) is beyond what I could live with. Yes life goes on and crab does happens(not always a person's fault and that I understand) but the pain and toil put in over all those generations, the doing without and then it is all gone. db

 

[gst]

absolutely I'll trade you but the profits and subsidies go with it since you insist on using profit making property to compare with a residential property.

eye now all of a sudden you want caveats......do you want the losses as well??

I knew you would start backpedaling.

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ah plains now you went and hurt my feelings.

 

[johnr]

What we need now is some subsidized preparation H...haha

 

[Trip McNeely]

what about me gst. ill trade u pinks straight up. profits, losses, subsidies. ill gladly pay the little difference of 18 quarters compared to what a few residential acres cost in a fair-expensive housing market.