Child support

[FightingSioux]

I make 40000 a year and now have to start paying child support for one kid. How much will I have to pay? In college I only paid $110 a month making 20k a year.

 

[KDM]

Figure 25% of your annual wage and you will be in the ballpark.

 

[Captain Ahab]

http://www.alllaw.com/calculators/childsupport/north_dakota

 

[johnr]

Work for cash under the table, it's only fair.
My ex wife got close to 1200 from me, however when I finally got the chance to win custody she paid 100, it isn't really set from my experience

 

[gonefshn]

Gotta love how people who pretend to be such great conservatives, who run down welfare type programs, and are total anti-abortion because kids lives matter so much seem to be the first ones who will do anything not to pay what they should when it comes to kids they have. Instead of say working hard so that kid you had will have a good life and won't need government assistance instead it's hire lawyers to get out of paying, take cash under the table, etc.. etc.... Where's that "responsibility" we always hear being preached in every other thread?

 

[guywhofishes]

Work for cash under the table, it's only fair.
My ex wife got close to 1200 from me, however when I finally got the chance to win custody she paid 100, it isn't really set from my experience

Ha ha ha... I got the reverse descrimination treatment too. I paid $$$$$$ until custody reversal, then she paid $.

 

[KDM]

The issue is much more complicated that that VERY simplistic statement gonefshn. Child support payments go directly to the custodial parent and NOT....let me repeat NOT TO THE CHILD. Most non custodial parents wouldn't blink if a significant portion of that payment went to a college fund or something that ONLY the child can touch. That's not how it works. It is cash money that the court ASSUMES the custodial parent will use for the child. Oftentimes it doesn't get used for the child. When I paid support, I financed lots of trips to the casino and shopping mall, yet I had to buy my sons school clothes every year. Go figure. It gets better!!!! The money is not claimed as income by the custodial parent and can not be claimed as child care expenses by the non custodial parent for tax purposes. IT"S FREE MONEY!!! The non custodial parent ALSO has NO say in how that money is used. Are you getting the picture a little bit there gonefshn. It's a MASSIVE screw job to the non custodial parent. However, based on your post, I'm sure you'd be THRILLED to give 18-25% of your income to a person you don't like to provide a good life for your child and have that child NOT get the good life you would like.

 

[gonefshn]

No I wouldn't be "thrilled" KDM. But, whoever has custody has to work their asses off when they have a kid while the non-custodial parent can do whatever they want. Imagine what the cost would be if you had to pay them 50% for their time taking care of the child. It's not FREE MONEY as you state. They work their asses off for it while the other parent can go party or do whatever they want. I never had kids but have been taking care of my stepdaughters 2 1/2 year old son. I can't just go fishing or hunting every night or go do whatever I want like I did before. Every single minute of your time is taken up watching and being with that child. So, don't give me this poor me having to pay crap. Dad's don't pay enough. And if you don't want to pay, go for custody and spend every minute of your time taking care of them for those few dollars they'll have to pay you. You brought the child into the world, MAN UP AND TAKE CARE OF THEM!

 

[Wild and Free]

KDM hit the nail on the head. I know many dead beat custodial parents that live high on the hog collecting large child support payments and spending next to nothing on the child. Non custodial parent gets custody and has to take them in for cloths and dr. visits glasses ect ect every time they get them, kids show up with no shoes and rags for cloths the list goes on and on from what I have witnesses personally of those I have known going through this, I have no children myself but do see a very flawed system no matter which parent has custody.
50% at minimum should go into a fund for the child to get @ age 19 or upon admittance to college. The rest is what is to be used for living expenses for the child not the custodian parent and a detailed expense report on what and where the remaining money was spent on the child needs to be supplied to the non custodial parent.

 

[guywhofishes]

Hey gone, hows about not posting BS. Plenty of guys pay enough. Plenty of guys are also deadbeat dads and don't pay which is pure BS too. Your throwing all divorced Dads under the bus is crap.

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This is also why really wise people way back when taught us divorce is to be avoided if at all possible.

 

[eyexer]

No I wouldn't be "thrilled" KDM. But, whoever has custody has to work their asses off when they have a kid while the non-custodial parent can do whatever they want. Imagine what the cost would be if you had to pay them 50% for their time taking care of the child. It's not FREE MONEY as you state. They work their asses off for it while the other parent can go party or do whatever they want. I never had kids but have been taking care of my stepdaughters 2 1/2 year old son. I can't just go fishing or hunting every night or go do whatever I want like I did before. Every single minute of your time is taken up watching and being with that child. So, don't give me this poor me having to pay crap. Dad's don't pay enough. And if you don't want to pay, go for custody and spend every minute of your time taking care of them for those few dollars they'll have to pay you. You brought the child into the world, MAN UP AND TAKE CARE OF THEM!

you assume the non-custodial parent doesn't have other kids he/she is raising. there is way more to the picture than you realize

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My son was working on the rigs. He had a kid with a gal. When the state of MT figured his child support they used his overtime in that calculation. which should never have happened. His overtime wasn't guaranteed. So he got stuck with a $1350 a month payment. Now that his rig got stacked out he is working in another capacity and requested his support be re-examined. It's now $685 a month. And he isn't making that much less. How they come up with these payments is nuts

 

[martinslanding]

I know it’s not the cheapest route, but get a lawyer and go to court. Get what you want in drawn up in the initial paperwork. Because it is a bitch to get anything changed down the road. ND’s child support system is getting better however it is still in favor of the maternal parent and focused on the dead beat parent dodging the system…stay current and don’t go into arrears …things have changed in recent years and you can lose your driver’s license and fishing and hunting privileges … I can’t stress enough how important it is to get the court paperwork drawn up correctly the first time around

 

[Allen]

The issue is much more complicated that that VERY simplistic statement gonefshn. Child support payments go directly to the custodial parent and NOT....let me repeat NOT TO THE CHILD. Most non custodial parents wouldn't blink if a significant portion of that payment went to a college fund or something that ONLY the child can touch. That's not how it works. It is cash money that the court ASSUMES the custodial parent will use for the child. Oftentimes it doesn't get used for the child. When I paid support, I financed lots of trips to the casino and shopping mall, yet I had to buy my sons school clothes every year. Go figure. It gets better!!!! The money is not claimed as income by the custodial parent and can not be claimed as child care expenses by the non custodial parent for tax purposes. IT"S FREE MONEY!!! The non custodial parent ALSO has NO say in how that money is used. Are you getting the picture a little bit there gonefshn. It's a MASSIVE screw job to the non custodial parent. However, based on your post, I'm sure you'd be THRILLED to give 18-25% of your income to a person you don't like to provide a good life for your child and have that child NOT get the good life you would like.

I hate when the State refers to me as the non-custodial parent. BS, the court signed documents give me Joint Custody. But anyone paying CS is automatically referred to as "non-custodial".

And for fun's sake, it would seem the state really tries to bankrupt one of the parents. Guess who that usually turns out to be?

 

[johnr]

I was responsible for all medical care, dental, vision, and daycare. In addition to the child support payments, my kid my responsibility, however it did not work that way when my daughter switched to my custody. I'm not saying I would not support MY child, I was stating I didn't like supporting an alcoholic ex wife.
I could afford it, had the ability to cover everything required, but didn't sit well when my daughter was not being cared for nor was my support, supporting her really at all

 

[ndbwhunter]

A hard working (non-custodial) father that makes $100k a year will easily pay $2,000+ each month in child support. A female making the same amount would pay next to nothing if she didn't have custody. Why is that?

I'm with KDM and Guy on this one. Hopefully I'll never have to worry about paying child support, but in the event that I do, I'll make sure to take care of my kid. Most of the big child support $$$ battles stem from a pissed off spouse that doesn't want to work and thinks the world owes them something. In the case of a mutual divorce/separation the parents can usually come to some type of an agreement on what's to be paid by the non-custodial parent. That's the best way....no government intervention!

 

[guywhofishes]

I know it’s not the cheapest route, but get a lawyer and go to court.

I spent $12k. Good investment - because I got lucky and won. Siding with Dad was pretty rare back in 1998.

 

[gonefshn]

Hey gone, hows about not posting BS. Plenty of guys pay enough. Plenty of guys are also deadbeat dads and don't pay which is pure BS too. Your throwing all divorced Dads under the bus is crap.

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This is also why really wise people way back when taught us divorce is to be avoided if at all possible.

I do realize that and have great respect for those that do. My apologies if you think my post included you. It did not. I was merely addressing a comment about trying to get around paying what you should for children you're responsible for. There are so many that do anything possible not to pay and it's not right. As for your income going up and having to pay more, don't you think ALL your children deserve similar opportunities? And just because you have more kids with a new family shouldn't mean you can cut expenses for your other children. Like I said. If you decide to have children, MAN UP. Real men take care of ALL their children properly and equally.

 

[ndbwhunter]

I was responsible for all medical care, dental, vision, and daycare. In addition to the child support payments, my kid my responsibility, however it did not work that way when my daughter switched to my custody. I'm not saying I would not support MY child, I was stating I didn't like supporting an alcoholic ex wife.
I could afford it, had the ability to cover everything required, but didn't sit well when my daughter was not being cared for nor was my support, supporting her really at all

This is what pisses me off the most about the system!

 

[guywhofishes]

I do realize that and have great respect for those that do. My apologies if you think my post included you. It did not. I was merely addressing a comment about trying to get around paying what you should for children you're responsible for. There are so many that do anything possible not to pay and it's not right. As for your income going up and having to pay more, don't you think ALL your children deserve similar opportunities? And just because you have more kids with a new family shouldn't mean you can cut expenses for your other children. Like I said. If you decide to have children, MAN UP. Real men take care of ALL their children properly and equally.

roger that Thumbs Up

I agree that guys (or gals!) that try to shirk paying reasonable support are indeed not being honorable/responsible

every divorce is a snowflake and to think gov't bozos are going to properly decide each case is bananas

say what you want about "organized religion" - but assisting couples in having a good marriage and supporting their effort not to divorce is one of their positive attributes. There are LOTs of really good marriage seminars and studies to be had out there at local churches. You young guys that are constantly confused by the bizarre behavior of your wives/girlfriends should attend a few - you'd be shocked out how both sides are constantly mis-communicating and a class or two can make your marriage more fun and less fatiguing. Most of the classes are humor based - not preachy! PM me if you are interested in the FM area and I can point some out to you.

 

[NodakBuckeye]

My brother in law had to pay 1500 a month for his 2 boys to his ex. He also paid for their insurance, most of school sport fees, school supplies, etc... she decide that was not enough and got another 400 a month. I have 3 kids, 5 to 10 years old and we do not spend nearly that much on our 3 and they have a good life by anyone's measure.

I have always thought it should be ran something like a flex spending account, money goes in an bills are reiembursed and a portion given each month to go towards utilities and everyday expense and a weekly allowance to the minor when they become teens and thus money sponges. Anything leftover should be in account to be used by the child for college, etc... after they reach 21 or so.

His ex and her new "man" always had new vehicles, took nice vacations, etc... well beyond their means. Overpaying for child support pales in comparasion to being a deadbeat dad for sure but all the money paid needs to gonto the kids and a portion of household expenses and not for the ex to be comfy until the kids hit 18.