Property Tax Credit

[lunkerslayer]

have you found a solution to prevent property taxes from going up 10-20-30 % every year ? I know my income doesn't go up 10-20-30 % every year

Wow that's crazy since my property taxes fluctuate from year to year,.again this is not a statewide issue this is a local issue.

 

[lunkerslayer]

Interactive map for your county
https://northdakotamonitor.com/2024/11/05/north-dakota-voters-reject-property-tax-ballot-measure/

 

[Obi-Wan]

Wow that's crazy since my property taxes fluctuate from year to year,.again this is not a statewide issue this is a local issue.

The state requires all homes be re-assessed for value yearly. so it is a state issue not local

 

[Fester]

The state requires all homes be re-assessed for value yearly. so it is a state issue not local

Yup, state says so but local is the one doing the job for assessing.

 

[Obi-Wan]

Yup, state says so but local is the one doing the job for assessing.

state tax laws specifically outlines how property is assessed.

 

[MarbleEyez]

what else would the spenders of property tax monies say. your entire list is people that spend tax payer monies and are paid and have benefits with tax payer money.

All of the people on my list are significant land owners. A vast majority of the people that are on the school board are ranchers that own 1,000+ acres. The individuals that are on the city commission owns multiple residential rental property along with a hospitality business. And 2 of the 3 county commissioners that I spoke with are ranchers and owner 640-1280ac of land.

So they are the people who "pay the piper" a little more than just someone paying $3000 on property tax on their "Primary Dwelling".

They were told by the people who were lobbying for it that each county commission, city council & School board would have to Lobby for the money that they were needing to operate their budgets. Well that isn't going to happen, and I would never personally be in favor for that. I'm all for less taxes, but you need to have a plan for how you're going to replace what is taken away. Especially in this case. 1/3 of our local school budget comes from mill levies in the county. The other 2/3 comes from the State, paid out on a "per-head" basis for student numbers.

 

[woodduck30]

Are you saying a 1,000 acre, or even 2,000 acre rancher pays the piper on property taxes???

 

[MarbleEyez]

Are you saying a 1,000 acre, or even 2,000 acre rancher pays the piper on property taxes???

No, I'm saying that these individuals pay a good chunk of tax as well. So it would be to their benefit if property tax disappeared.

 

[johnr]

Are you saying a 1,000 acre, or even 2,000 acre rancher pays the piper on property taxes???

Some land south of Dickinson just sold for $3,800 an acre.
Pretty sure that is way over priced, but regardless the tax burden on that is miniscule as compared to the intown lot rate.

The funny thing about taxes, they don't go down, they don't go away, and most of the services funded by them are bloated and ridiculous, and people are brainwashed into the need for them, and for them to increase constantly. Its the strangest damn thing in the world.

 

[Jiffy]

People in general are adverse to change, even if it's for the better.

It's human nature and for the most part, the older you are, the harder it is.

The beatings will continue until moral improves....

 

[SLE]

………….., and for them to increase constantly. Its the strangest damn thing in the world.

Why would it ever stay the same? I can’t believe anyone in there right mind would think the cost to operate a city, county or school would stay the same. Has your food stayed the same cost? Cost of a pickup? Clothes? Houses? Raw materials? The answer is no. There’s a cost of doing business and in the history of our nation, there has just about always been some level of inflation year over year. That makes the dollar worth less and not able to buy the same amount of goods and services as it did the previous year and so on. So a political subdivision that needs $1M to operate this year would need 1,030,000 the following year with a 3% average inflation to pay the same people, buy the same equipment, and provide the same services. The 12 years from 2011 thru 2023, the indexed inflation equated to 35.5%. That’s the AVERAGE, some industries seen double and triple cost increases. So a bill saying the state will replace the funds at the current rate with no inflationary increase in itself is a major issue. Political subsdivisions would be backwards on day one. You’d have to be financially illiterate not to understand this. This is basic economics.

Everyone wants to focus on the waste and talk about the big cities (Fargo, Bis, Minot) and the major counties but sadly are overlooking every small town, county that doesn’t have a major city, townships, school districts, rural fire and ambulance districts, and the like that operate on shoe string budgets and with zero reserves for something as simple as repairing a water main break or a piece of essential equipment. Until the supporters and writers of this bill pull their head out of the sand and address the major flaws of the initiated measure, they’ll continue to lose, make excuses, and degrade those that that didn’t buy into a poorly written measure that created more questions than solutions.

If you guys put as much time in trying to fix the measure so it’s supportable as you do posting about it and bitching on NDA , it would’ve passed years ago ………..

 

[Trip McNeely]

I don’t understand amount of mental gymnastics so many men these days will do to justify their pacifist behavior.

 

[Allen]

Why would it ever stay the same? ……..

Very eloquent, and true. When I read the prose of those who support the past bills my mind's eye sees nothing but magical waving of the hands when they say the "legislature will just have to figure it out".

There are legitimate questions and concerns unaddressed by the proposals put forth.

 

[Obi-Wan]

Why would it ever stay the same? I can’t believe anyone in there right mind would think the cost to operate a city, county or school would stay the same. Has your food stayed the same cost? Cost of a pickup? Clothes? Houses? Raw materials? The answer is no. There’s a cost of doing business and in the history of our nation, there has just about always been some level of inflation year over year. That makes the dollar worth less and not able to buy the same amount of goods and services as it did the previous year and so on. So a political subdivision that needs $1M to operate this year would need 1,030,000 the following year with a 3% average inflation to pay the same people, buy the same equipment, and provide the same services. The 12 years from 2011 thru 2023, the indexed inflation equated to 35.5%. That’s the AVERAGE, some industries seen double and triple cost increases. So a bill saying the state will replace the funds at the current rate with no inflationary increase in itself is a major issue. Political subsdivisions would be backwards on day one. You’d have to be financially illiterate not to understand this. This is basic economics.

Everyone wants to focus on the waste and talk about the big cities (Fargo, Bis, Minot) and the major counties but sadly are overlooking every small town, county that doesn’t have a major city, townships, school districts, rural fire and ambulance districts, and the like that operate on shoe string budgets and with zero reserves for something as simple as repairing a water main break or a piece of essential equipment. Until the supporters and writers of this bill pull their head out of the sand and address the major flaws of the initiated measure, they’ll continue to lose, make excuses, and degrade those that that didn’t buy into a poorly written measure that created more questions than solutions.

If you guys put as much time in trying to fix the measure so it’s supportable as you do posting about it and bitching on NDA , it would’ve passed years ago ………..

If property tax followed the same path as inflation most would not complain, but it does not

I looked up my property tax history and from 2019 to 2023 ( 5 yrs is all that is listed on line ) mine went up 70%. that is in 5 yrs your example of 35.5% is 12 yrs. by your example taxes should rise about 3% a year yet mine rose an average of 14% a year. I believe the 14%/yr increase is after the "state tax releif"

 

[lunkerslayer]

Burleigh County is 3 behind grand forks 2 and Cass County 1
https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/north-dakota/property-tax

 

[Rowdie]

 

[johnr]

Why would it ever stay the same? I can’t believe anyone in there right mind would think the cost to operate a city, county or school would stay the same. Has your food stayed the same cost? Cost of a pickup? Clothes? Houses? Raw materials? The answer is no. There’s a cost of doing business and in the history of our nation, there has just about always been some level of inflation year over year. That makes the dollar worth less and not able to buy the same amount of goods and services as it did the previous year and so on. So a political subdivision that needs $1M to operate this year would need 1,030,000 the following year with a 3% average inflation to pay the same people, buy the same equipment, and provide the same services. The 12 years from 2011 thru 2023, the indexed inflation equated to 35.5%. That’s the AVERAGE, some industries seen double and triple cost increases. So a bill saying the state will replace the funds at the current rate with no inflationary increase in itself is a major issue. Political subsdivisions would be backwards on day one. You’d have to be financially illiterate not to understand this. This is basic economics.

Everyone wants to focus on the waste and talk about the big cities (Fargo, Bis, Minot) and the major counties but sadly are overlooking every small town, county that doesn’t have a major city, townships, school districts, rural fire and ambulance districts, and the like that operate on shoe string budgets and with zero reserves for something as simple as repairing a water main break or a piece of essential equipment. Until the supporters and writers of this bill pull their head out of the sand and address the major flaws of the initiated measure, they’ll continue to lose, make excuses, and degrade those that that didn’t buy into a poorly written measure that created more questions than solutions.

If you guys put as much time in trying to fix the measure so it’s supportable as you do posting about it and bitching on NDA , it would’ve passed years ago ………..

You are correct, everything goes up. I guess I was arguing poorly on that part of it. My point was more so the rate at which it goes up, and what we get out of it with that increase.

Here in Dickinson I am forced to have a recycle bin for $$$ a month, I don't want it, I don't use it, but I am paying for it regardless.
If I mow your lawn every week for $20, and next year its $28 and I come every other week, and so forth, you might be feeling a bit concerned.
I currently take home less than 30% of my earnings after paying the government its taxes, and its a real suckfest, as most guys on here are in that boat or worse.

 

[SLE]

You are correct, everything goes up. I guess I was arguing poorly on that part of it. My point was more so the rate at which it goes up, and what we get out of it with that increase.

Here in Dickinson I am forced to have a recycle bin for $$$ a month, I don't want it, I don't use it, but I am paying for it regardless.
If I mow your lawn every week for $20, and next year its $28 and I come every other week, and so forth, you might be feeling a bit concerned.
I currently take home less than 30% of my earnings after paying the government its taxes, and its a real suckfest, as most guys on here are in that boat or worse.

I'm not saying it doesn't suck, I'm just saying "do better" to those writing the measure. Property taxes are not perfect by any stretch of the imagination. If they would have put something reasonable together that had real answers, it would have passed without any problem at all. I've said it before and I'll say it again, it completely pisses me off they had 12 F'kn years to come up with a good plan and a supportable measure, and they completely dropped the ball. If anyone wants to be pissed about something, this should be the focus.

 

[Rowdie]

 

[Zogman]

Why would it ever stay the same? I can’t believe anyone in there right mind would think the cost to operate a city, county or school would stay the same. Has your food stayed the same cost? Cost of a pickup? Clothes? Houses? Raw materials? The answer is no. There’s a cost of doing business and in the history of our nation, there has just about always been some level of inflation year over year. That makes the dollar worth less and not able to buy the same amount of goods and services as it did the previous year and so on. So a political subdivision that needs $1M to operate this year would need 1,030,000 the following year with a 3% average inflation to pay the same people, buy the same equipment, and provide the same services. The 12 years from 2011 thru 2023, the indexed inflation equated to 35.5%. That’s the AVERAGE, some industries seen double and triple cost increases. So a bill saying the state will replace the funds at the current rate with no inflationary increase in itself is a major issue. Political subsdivisions would be backwards on day one. You’d have to be financially illiterate not to understand this. This is basic economics.

Everyone wants to focus on the waste and talk about the big cities (Fargo, Bis, Minot) and the major counties but sadly are overlooking every small town, county that doesn’t have a major city, townships, school districts, rural fire and ambulance districts, and the like that operate on shoe string budgets and with zero reserves for something as simple as repairing a water main break or a piece of essential equipment. Until the supporters and writers of this bill pull their head out of the sand and address the major flaws of the initiated measure, they’ll continue to lose, make excuses, and degrade those that that didn’t buy into a poorly written measure that created more questions than solutions.

If you guys put as much time in trying to fix the measure so it’s supportable as you do posting about it and bitching on NDA , it would’ve passed years ago ………..

Have you got a short simple draft you can post? Thanks!