Sciatica?

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About the same as Davey. Chiro and PT kept me going for about 15 hrs until degeneration got so bad. Surgery 6/12/18, have not missed a day of doing my home PT since Dr. had me start. Most pain gone. If you want any type of relief from PT/exercise, you probably aren't going to notice any difference for about 3 weeks. Couple days here and there aren't gonna do shit.
You will most likely be required by insurance to do PT before surgery would be covered anyhow.
 


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You may be right but can you explain to me then how a chiropractor took a couple x rays of me standing on my feet with weight on my spine and could see the damage that a specialist with high tech machines failed to see ?
because an X-ray and an mri show completely different things.
 

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About the same as Davey. Chiro and PT kept me going for about 15 hrs until degeneration got so bad. Surgery 6/12/18, have not missed a day of doing my home PT since Dr. had me start. Most pain gone. If you want any type of relief from PT/exercise, you probably aren't going to notice any difference for about 3 weeks. Couple days here and there aren't gonna do shit.
You will most likely be required by insurance to do PT before surgery would be covered anyhow.




That is right. The first mistake I made was waiting a few years till the pain was unbearable before I went to the Dr. I had buggered up my back when I was a teenager and had healed but still had some pain I kept thinking it would just go away. Our Insurance dictated a chain of commands with surgery being at the end of the line and you have to hit every base along the way.

I had a disk that was bulged toward the center instead of a normal outward bulge and The second mistake I made was getting on an inversion table , I had heard so much praise about them so I ordered one and tried it. The first 15 minutes felt awesome and I was pain free for about an hour but then it started coming back so I went another 15 min before I went to bed, Two hours later it hurt like hell and I could barely roll out of bed. That was the first day I had ever taken off work due to my back so out came my bottle of opioids I dosed up and felt pretty good . I went back to work pounding down the opies so I could finish the job I had going. I had an appointment for an injection so went in for that and it was the same as chiropractor , They had me standing for an xray so they could see where to place the cortisone and just like that they aborted that project and told me I needed to have surgery right away, The disk had ruptured . I had no other choice than to finish the project I was on so I ate opies while running heavy equipment and lucky I didn't get wrapped up in something or hooked on opies . It worked out in the end but I think I would be way better off had I went to the Dr 4 years earlier than I did.
 

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You may be right but can you explain to me then how a chiropractor took a couple x rays of me standing on my feet with weight on my spine and could see the damage that a specialist with high tech machines failed to see ?


Because likely that Chiro is a quack that thinks he can cure colic, croup, or the common cold with spinal manipulation.

Plain XRays will not in any way show nerve impingement. It is against the laws of physics in how MRIs and plain films are done. That is why MRIs are utilized to look for more soft tissue injury and plain films show more dense bony injuries.
 

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Because likely that Chiro is a quack that thinks he can cure colic, croup, or the common cold with spinal manipulation.

Plain XRays will not in any way show nerve impingement. It is against the laws of physics in how MRIs and plain films are done. That is why MRIs are utilized to look for more soft tissue injury and plain films show more dense bony injuries.


Chiro was totally honest with me , He took one look at the x-ray and told me there isn't much he could do for me. He showed me there was very little space between L4-L5. He did try just a little manipulation and said he didn't dare do any more.

I still say an MRI is only as good as the person reading it or as good as the image itself. Nothing hurts worse than having constant pain and then have an MRI and pay 300 out of pocket to get it read and they say there is NOTHING wrong. Hurts worse when it happens twice.
 


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If your go-to pair of shoes are worn out, replace them. Same with your bed. I’ve had both cause chronic pain when I was too stubborn/broke to replace.
 

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A shot might be what is needed. I've gotten shots in my shoulders and knees. I haven't had issues with my shoulders for a few years now and I've only had the shots in my knees for a few months now. Seems to be working so far. For both knees and shoulders the doc told me that a shot is the cheaper alternative to scans and then possibly surgery. Shots don't work, we take pics and put you under the knife... I'm still worried about my knees. They're not in the best condition.

Enough with myself, here's my advice. Seek your doctors advice first. Then follow your gut. I would keep up with the stretches (maybe bring it up a notch or two). Get a foam roller and roll from your shoulders to your ankles. Your IT band could be pulling you down too. But I believe it could be every, or any, tendon from your neck to your ankles. There are a ton of youtube videos that you can watch for stretching and rolling. If in doubt with these, ask a TRUSTED professional. Next, lose weight and work out. Focus on working out your back (back extensions might be good if you can do them) and your legs. Building a little muscle and losing a little weight could have huge impacts on your body.

All this being said, I've never seen you. So this is just my opinion based on the pains and remedies that I've done and probably what I would do myself.
 

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Chiro was totally honest with me , He took one look at the x-ray and told me there isn't much he could do for me. He showed me there was very little space between L4-L5. He did try just a little manipulation and said he didn't dare do any more.


As yes, the old "less space" on plain film. Let me guess, you were also told that you had 1 leg shorter than the other as well, causing your pelvis to twist increasing your pain?
 

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As yes, the old "less space" on plain film. Let me guess, you were also told that you had 1 leg shorter than the other as well, causing your pelvis to twist increasing your pain?
So your opinion is all chiropractors are bad?
 

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As yes, the old "less space" on plain film. Let me guess, you were also told that you had 1 leg shorter than the other as well, causing your pelvis to twist increasing your pain?


Nope , nothing mentioned about that. It was the one and only time I have ever been to a chiropractor . I'm not claiming to know anything other than the sequence of my diagnosis and the failure to get it from 2 MRIs with a professional MRI reader. The diagnosis that I needed surgery was determined through an x-ray . Bone on bone after the disk had ruptured.

All I am saying is that an MRI was not conclusive in my case.
 


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Eye, sorry you are incorrect. There are weight bearing MRIs out there and in some cases it will dramatically change the image produced when compared to non weight bearing. The only thing I can guarantee you ndsportsman is your case will be unique and different then every other person on here. I would try any and all non invasive options before proceeding to something more invasive. If you find something that helps keep doing it, don't discontinue cause you feel better. You don't brush your teeth only when you have tooth pain.
 

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I struggled with sciatica issues a few years ago. Started by going to the chiropractor but after a few sessions I didn't see any improvement. Went to the doctor next which recommend PT. Ended up going about 6-7 sessions of PT which eventually cured it. They would put me a traction table which basically pulls on your spine. While on the table, I would be hooked up to a TENS machine with a heat pad (which felt great BTW). This helped a lot and I was probably 90% pain free after 3 sessions. Also showed me some stretches and exercises I could do at home. I was so impressed by the traction table that I bought an inversion table for use at home. Isn't quite the same but definitely helps relieve back pain when it occurs.
 

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AaronJ, let me guess only the almighty MD can help? You are correct X-ray and MRI show different things, but if there is significant degenerative changes on an X-ray the chiro can also inform the patient that chiropractic care may not be very helpful and the patient should look else where. Then you attack the provider and accuse him of making claims that have nothing to do with the subject. Are you equally critical of surgeons who perform surgery on minor disc bulges before the patient has even tried PT? Or if the surgeon tells the patient I can fix the foot drop with surgery and post surgery the foot drop is no better? Interesting that all Dc's are bad in your mind.
 

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AaronJ, let me guess only the almighty MD can help? You are correct X-ray and MRI show different things, but if there is significant degenerative changes on an X-ray the chiro can also inform the patient that chiropractic care may not be very helpful and the patient should look else where. Then you attack the provider and accuse him of making claims that have nothing to do with the subject. Are you equally critical of surgeons who perform surgery on minor disc bulges before the patient has even tried PT? Or if the surgeon tells the patient I can fix the foot drop with surgery and post surgery the foot drop is no better? Interesting that all Dc's are bad in your mind.


Nope to the red statement above.

I am a huge fan of least invasive 1st. I am also equally huge anti-fan of Chiros that claim the care they provide will cure colds, indigestion, menopause symptoms, etc.

I love PT and just saw 1 about 2 weeks ago. I need to go again. I hadn't felt that good in many months after just 1 visit and treatment. I am just a horrible patient that lacks time to get away to care for myself even though the PT is 25 steps from my office.
 


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Thanks for all the info guys. Gonna try a few more of your suggestions and then go start with PT before getting too invasive.
 

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Nope to the red statement above.

I am a huge fan of least invasive 1st. I am also equally huge anti-fan of Chiros that claim the care they provide will cure colds, indigestion, menopause symptoms, etc.

I love PT and just saw 1 about 2 weeks ago. I need to go again. I hadn't felt that good in many months after just 1 visit and treatment. I am just a horrible patient that lacks time to get away to care for myself even though the PT is 25 steps from my office.

There is little to no valid research in efficacy of chiropractic manipulation in helping with non-neuromusculoskeletal conditions, so this is probably a good position to hold. Sometimes there is anecdotal/case by case improvements in certain patients, but I wouldn't approve of a chiropractor hanging his hat on "curing" any of these.

But as stated above, I would also consider least invasive first as well. Core stabilization exercises, physioball exercises, inversion tables, massage therapy, chiropractic care (not just manipulation, but make sure that they give you some homework to do and that you actually do it), physical therapy.
 

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Eye, sorry you are incorrect. There are weight bearing MRIs out there and in some cases it will dramatically change the image produced when compared to non weight bearing. The only thing I can guarantee you ndsportsman is your case will be unique and different then every other person on here. I would try any and all non invasive options before proceeding to something more invasive. If you find something that helps keep doing it, don't discontinue cause you feel better. You don't brush your teeth only when you have tooth pain.
I was totally unaware of that. Thanks.
 

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I used to hate beer and hot wings. My chiro in Bismarck cured that after 3 visits.
 

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Any thing with the back sucks !!!
I feel for you felt with it for decades
Good chiropractor is all I can say
 


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