oh I get it , Telling the truth is bashing to some. I'd never thought of it that way, All I have to offer is If the spade hurts that's tough luck.
Who is bashing big pharma ? This discussion is about alternatives to a drug that is highly addictive and has ruined hundreds of thousands of families and personal lives and caused 47,600 overdose deaths in 2017 (67.8% of all drug overdose deaths). This is simply looking at other options than a death sentence for those that have no other choice between pain or meds for the rest of their life . Your right , We know exactly what is in opioids , A disaster waiting to happen so we looking at other options.
You acted the same way when we had a hemp topic, It's like we are invading your space by having discussions about it. I'll get the hell out of here with this "natural silliness" when someone with authority tells me to.
You do? That is taking the word of the fda now it has been proven by a doctor who helped develop OxyContin that at first the fda had ruled not for every day use. We’ll magically after some money and a little lobbying that little tidbit was changed and the every day use of opioids was born. There is some place that is between what big pharmaceutical and the natural world wants. Big pharmaceutical though is here to make money and healing people takes them off the pay roll so there is something to think about. Also how many cases have there been where now pills are manufactured in not so high of standards and people die or get sick from something that is in there shouldn’t be.
As an analytical chemist with 30 yrs of experience, a focus on organic compounds, and a fairly robust understanding of compound toxicity, I figure I get to have an opinion on this topic.
Kurtr - aside from the thalidomide baby case (there was actually a genuinely "innocent" reason it happened), can you cite some recent examples of big pharma poisoning people with impure compounds? Also, you work to get paid. And are you sabotaging your projects at work so that you have to do them again for more money? You must be... since capitalism inherently makes people do evil. So that is "something to think about".
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natural products contain a host of compounds besides the ones that are responsible for the action we desire
the nicotine in tobacco that we desire isn’t what gives us cancer
say what you want about big pharma - at least you know exactly what you’re putting in your body
You do? That is taking the word of the fda now it has been proven by a doctor who helped develop OxyContin that at first the fda had ruled not for every day use. We’ll magically after some money and a little lobbying that little tidbit was changed and the every day use of opioids was born. There is some place that is between what big pharmaceutical and the natural world wants. Big pharmaceutical though is here to make money and healing people takes them off the pay roll so there is something to think about. Also how many cases have there been where now pills are manufactured in not so high of standards and people die or get sick from something that is in there shouldn’t be.
My point was about knowing what you are putting in your body. I said nothing of ethics, of the fact that pharma CEOs are not being paid grossly more than what they are worth, or anything else defending pharma.
Re-read my sentence. It literally gives you my agreement to say anything you want about them - but you can't say they don't deliver what's on the label and nothing else.
That was my only point. Only the Lord knows what's in the supposed Kratom you buy off ebay, but with big pharma at least you get what's written on the label and nothing else.
If big pharma did not have so much invested in the drugs already i think they would do more in the research of natural stuff.
Where do you get itive been taking kratom for almost 2 years now.this stuff absolutely works for chronic pain.my knees and back were in such pain i had a hard time walking some days. the previous post is right, big pharma has paid fda commissioner scott gottleib to try to secretly schedule kratom as a class 1 drug because it has the potential to cost them billions.big pharma cant patent kratom because it works as a whole,not just one part of it.(they cant patent a natural plant.) kratom has been a lifesaver for me.
damn it. They could have kept that out of media until legislative session was over. It will now be outlawed in NDThe local news channel tonight.
https://www.kxnet.com/news/bismarck-news/pain-patients-call-herbal-supplement-kratom-a-lifesaver-and-alternative-to-opiates/1815760772
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Where do you get it
Eye, Based on everything I have read unless you are currently on opioids or have long term chronic pain and wish that you were then I'd shy away. It has it's place in the medical world but people can get hooked on kratom just like opioids, Booze, coffee or any thing else that can be addictive.
The problem with anything natural VS opioids that can help someone with long term chronic pain is pretty much all the same, kratom is just like the medical marijuana scene and that's abuse or recreational use leads to problems for some people so the feds won't come out with the truth that it has medicinal value in society and they put it on schedule one .
( With help from big pharma)
It would be nice to know more about using the stuff on an as needed basis but all I have found are 3 sides of the story. It works great, or it has no medicinal value , Or It is addicting. Based on everything I have read I believe it works great and I believe you can get addicted to it. That makes MMJ look more attractive for chronic pain but the way the law is now , They want your guns if you have a MMJ card and that is just messed up and the reason there will never be a MMJ card in our household.
For those that jump to conclusions that people who are curious about "Natural stuff" It's simply because not everybody is OK with putting opioids in their body for long term. Opioids are the devil for someone that will have to be on them for the rest of their life.