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[lunkerslayer]

That agreement would have required the band to withdraw their lawsuit, limit the Lake Mille Lacs walleye harvest to 24,000 pounds per year, and adhere to a band conservation code. In return, the state would give the band $8.6 million, 7,500 acres of land, and exclusive fishing rights on 4.5% of Lake Mille Lacs. The agreement also allowed traditional spear fishing and netting practices.
During the 1993 session the Minnesota Legislature narrowly defeated the negotiated settlement. Legislators opposed to the settlement argued that the use of gill nets would decimate the walleye population and harm tourism. Treaty proponents argued that the use of gill nets and spears were important components of Indian culture and religion and that their use would be limited.

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So the DNR wanted to work with Mille Lacs tribe but instead of working together for an easy agreement. Minnesota decides to waste millions of dollars on legal fees to only have the USSCOA vote in favor of allowing gill netting.

 

[johnr]

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Either we all gill net or no one gill nets.
This different rules for the tribe bullshit has run its course.
Native privilege;:;barf

 

[lunkerslayer]

Same goes with gratis tags for multiple elk harvest on private lands, supposed to be one and you are done. Farmer land privileges ;:;barf

 

[johnr]

same goes with gratis tags for multiple elk harvest on private lands, supposed to be one and you are done. Farmer land privileges ;:;barf

agreed.

 

[lunkerslayer]

I agree there needs to be better ,sound, logical, common sense and mutual agreement between harvesting of walleye. I have never stated that I wasn't against gill netting restrictions, I just didn't like everyone point a finger at one problem. Lack of communication

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[Fishmission]

:;:lame;:;barfI puked earlier today but not from dead wallys, The Flu runs amuck in my hood

 

[snow]

HEY CAPT,thanx for the laugh,sorry lunker we're so far ahead of where you think you are its not worth another argument here,this issue doesn't concern you,your lake isn't being pillaged every spring like ours is,as far as sharas article regarding lake vermillion,the band said they would harvest 300lbs just because they could legally,then to local business and tourism clamped down and strongly suggested they cease to excerise their right to harvest and gather as they are plenty fat from casino$$$,not sure what the trade off was but it didn't happen last year.

If you think anyone in our dnr or state office would make a statement saying that gill netting is the route cause of mille lacs down fall,you are mistaken,infact the last round table meeting I attended in Isle Minn(the hub for mille business owners) when we sat down with the great lakes indian foundation and they're att'ys,our dnr chief of the northern counties of Mn flat out said if he would do what we are lobbing for (pull the nets during spawn) he would lose his job even tho the state has the power to do so in the name of conversation and welfare of our natural resource.

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One more thing that hasn't made the news,with mille lacs on the walleye decline,business's are folding up over the past 5yrs as reduced daily limits and strick slots imposed on sport anglers is keeping recreation folks home or going elsewhere,the tribe is snapping up as much lake property as they can(huge casino money here),"why" their goal is to control the entire lake,take back the land that they're for farthers sold to our gov't in the 1800's even before Minn was declared a state.

Bud Grant headed up this debachel and pretty much right on target~

"quote~During the 1993 session the Minnesota Legislature narrowly defeated the negotiated settlement. Legislators opposed to the settlement argued that the use of gill nets would decimate the walleye population and harm tourism. Treaty proponents argued that the use of gill nets and spears were important components of Indian culture and religion and that their use would be limited."

Been so long since this happened I almost forgot it,at a rally@ the state capitol in 1992 we had resort owners from most of the major lakes in northern Mn where gill netting collasps their walleye fisheries (leech,cass,red lake,low) we head stories that never made the news,Bud Grant stood nose to nose with clyde belcourt stating verses from the 1837 treaty,when Bud read a sentence that stated "when 3 or more Indians are seeing together it was considered a war party and could be shot on site" the place went nuts! BTW,16 resorts on upper red lake went tits up during the 10year shut down.

 

[lunkerslayer]

Another lake that allows gill netting is Leech lake for whitefish as well as walleye non spawn season, they still stocked leech regardless so much so that there was actually more walleye than what the DNR said the lake could hold. BUT they are still allowing gill netting to proceed on leech lake. Maybe the new president will overturn the 1837 treaty that the SCTUS allowed 5-4,but till then let's be poised to civil conversation. Netting during spawning should be addressed even though the non natives get to harvest three times as much fish as natives do.


With another 20,000 pounds of hook mortality compared to the 11,400 pounds taking by native gill nets. If, for example, 2013 walleyes are still hitting anglers’ baits at extraordinary rates this summer, perhaps many of these fish will die anyway after being released.

Such “hooking mortality,” or its estimation, will be included in the 28,600-pound quota allowed anglers during the coming open water season. (Eight Chippewa tribes will get 11,400 pounds).

For perspective on the lake’s current plight, this 40,000-pound “safe harvest” quota pales compared to the lake’s 2006 quota of 600,000 pounds.

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Also do you have a website where I can read about the DNR member stating he could lose his job over not allowing gill nets, also tell me how come the DNR doesn't have better grasp on how many walleye population on any given year.

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take back the land that they're for farthers sold to our gov't in the 1800's even before Minn was declared a state.
Bud read a sentence that stated "when 3 or more Indians are seeing together it was considered a war party and could be shot on site" the place went nuts! This here is why natives do what they do for spite.
See that right there snow is the big factor and I can smell it through my computer screen "envy" that is all.

 

[snow]

Lunker,your info is so off base coming from an outsider is actually funny,you do realize the leech lake band has sole gathering rights on leech just like red lake,and they do gill net before our walleye season opens with nets out during opener but this small tribe takes a very small amout of walleyes compared to the 8 tribes gill netting mille lacs,"sport anglers take 3x's more walleyes than gill netters?" check this stat out,the red lake nation took 1million pounds of walleyes that we non natives stocked in 2014,sport anglers took 200k lbs and we can only fish 1/3rd of the lake.Further after red lake re-opened so did the red lake commercial fishing operations,the 1st two years was tribal hook-n-line only with no slot and a 10 walleye daily limit, even tho the fishing was hot and heavy as we see it today the tribe decided they weren't catching enough walleyes to make it wortjh while,so here we are today,3rd year of commercial fishing with netts and guess what,our dnr is in a tail spin over the amount of walleyes being netted they clamped down on the sport fisher folks last season,two fish daily with a tight 2" slot.

What do you know about hooking mortality? its purly a guess-a-mate on the dnr side,the lake is a ghost town,few folks venture out unless they live on mille lacs,its not worth the drive for one walleye.

Website for the meeting I was at? are kidding,it was a closed door meeting,for reasons of privacy the tribes demand no public attendance,pretty sure they don't want confrontation from the locals losing everything they own.

But agreed,we need intervention regarding this issue,its sad as we can only sit and wait while the nets are destroying our lake and mom&pop resorts,resturants and business's are only shells of what they were.

 

[deleted_account]

I tried booking 2 nights at a couple different resorts on Mille lacs to chase some smallies this summer and both were booked solid from May to october already. I was shocked after hearing so much about how bad the businesses are hurting (and im sure they are to some extent) and how no one was traveling there to fish anymore....It sorta made me raise an eyebrow i guess

 

[johnr]

Interesting


Seems maybe it gets a tourist fill even without good walleye fishing?
Dickinson hotels used to be booked up tight too, to the point we built about 10 more in the last 4 years, and the rates rivaled NYC, however the fishing in Dickinson is non existent.

 

[snow]

Wags,some resorts are doing their best to hang in there,others are failing and others are doing okay to make ends meet so far...If you still want to travel over here and get after the world class smallie fishing mille lacs has to offer get in touch with me about booking a place and starting spots to target smallies,I can put you on fish and most likely a PB over 20"s.

More than happy to help.

 

[lunkerslayer]

Update Mille lacs is on hot bite for eye balls still can only keep one but there are a lot of eyes in that lake

http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=339395.0

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[Colt45]

Snow, one thing you all could do to fight back is stay out of the rez casino. If they are using gambling revenue to buy up land, then don't give them any gambling revenue. I know I will never ever visit a rez casino anywhere again after the DAPL fiasco here in ND

 

[shorthairsrus]

Bottom line not sure how a nodak can even comment 4mil fingerlings stocked one lake per yr. MN doesn't even stock 1 fingerling walleye